TDF Stage 17 *spoiler*
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iainf72 wrote:I rate this Tour 3.5 / 10
ASO's fault
I don't blame ASO entirely. If you combined last year's route with this year's riders, I can't see how it would have been entertaining.0 -
Have to agree with Iain, overall the race has been lame, but there's simply been nobody who could mount a real challenge... parcour has been pants.
However i'll be so happy to see Wiggins get the win.0 -
2 weeks from now the only people that remember the circumstances (if they understood them in the first place) are 20 people on this forum. To every one else he's just the winner.Yellow Peril wrote:It's all a bit saddening really. The idea of having a first Brit winner is going to be question marked forever now because of another Brit!0 -
3.5/10 is 0.5 more than iain gave the Giro!
I understand Team Tactics and the rest but I think Froome should have been let go in the last 2km - Politically I think it would have been a good idea, partly in terms of team marketing but mostly because his inner chimp will be making lot's of noises about looking elsewhere next year now and I'm not convinced that Wiggins 2013 will be as much of a contender. DB is going to have to make an awful lot of peace to prevent Froome being too tempted by the massive cheque a certain Mr Riis will be waving under his nose come the off season....
Cav may be No 1 next year after all!
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Could Froome have beaten Wiggins if he hadn't lost a minute and a half in the first week? Maybe.
Could Froome have beaten Wiggins despite losing that time if he'd been allowed to ride for himself on the mountains? No.0 -
dougzz wrote:
2 weeks from now the only people that remember the circumstances (if they understood them in the first place) are 20 people on this forum. To every one else he's just the winner.Yellow Peril wrote:It's all a bit saddening really. The idea of having a first Brit winner is going to be question marked forever now because of another Brit!
I cannot believe you concentrated on that bit and not the Genital Herpes line - genuine lol from me! We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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@lioneljbirnie
The way Froome rode there was the equivalent of leaning across the table and cutting Wiggins's dinner into bite-sized pieces for him.
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Jez mon wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Most of those he lost behind crashes, right?
He lost a few in the prologue and 30 or so in the TT.
Which comes to roughly 40 seconds. Right?
Another TT to go though and you can't just discount the time lost to crashes tbh.
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For sure, but if we're discussing who's stronger, it's with baring in mind....
Fans like seeing riders ride full bore.
When it's a clear a guy isn't, and is being restrained by a teammate, it's frustrating for us.
We want to see how fast these guys can go, rather than having to speculate - which is what we're having to do.
That Froome gives us, the viewers, two obvious gestures that to show he IS being reined in, only adds further fuel to that problem.0 -
Froome and his mrs need to know what side their bread is buttered. Sky have surely told him that he will get his go, we will no doubt she wiggo helping him so why can't he show the kind of maturity you get from Rogers, EBH, Porte and even Cav. I mean Cav is world champ collecting bottles and not kicking off outside of closed doors or making silly comments in interviews.
Froome is effectively undermining his own team like Tevez or Ballotelli do in football and I would like him a lot more if he did his bit respectively and then made his case for a team leadership as protected rider on another tour where he doesn't have a two minute deficit to argubly one of the top ten TTers in the world.
We could all say coulda woulda but he did get caught behind a crash, and he is working as a right hand man and even if he had gone today and possibly got 40seconds what is that worth to him really? I do think he should have been given the chance of the stage but all sympathy goes out of the window when he doesn't know how to respect his team, his team leader and more importantly the guy in Yellow.0 -
EdwardPickering @EdwardPickering
Valverde press conference done. He's no David Millar, put it that way.
1m Daniel Friebe @friebos
@EdwardPickering just asked Valverde whether he wished to admit mistake and clearly state position on doping. Alejandro didn't fancy it.0 -
I didn't like to think about that happening, that would be really disappointing, not like a bloody bike race.ddraver wrote:dougzz wrote:
2 weeks from now the only people that remember the circumstances (if they understood them in the first place) are 20 people on this forum. To every one else he's just the winner.Yellow Peril wrote:It's all a bit saddening really. The idea of having a first Brit winner is going to be question marked forever now because of another Brit!
I cannot believe you concentrated on that bit and not the Genital Herpes line - genuine lol from me!0 -
dougzz wrote:
2 weeks from now the only people that remember the circumstances (if they understood them in the first place) are 20 people on this forum. To every one else he's just the winner.Yellow Peril wrote:It's all a bit saddening really. The idea of having a first Brit winner is going to be question marked forever now because of another Brit!
Richard Moore will be around in 20 years flogging copies of Slaying the Bradger.0 -
iainf72 wrote:I rate this Tour 3.5 / 10
ASO's fault
It's not the course, it's the riders. It's not as if Wiggins has been controlling his time losses onthe mountain top finishes and recouping them in the time trials: he's been ahead of everyone in the mountains (except his team mate who's gained about 4 seconds on him) and in the time trials. It might have been different with Contador (but we know why he's not there) or Andy Schleck (but not based on this season's form pre-injury) there - not necessarily a different outcome (after all, they both got beaten by Evans last year), but a more exciting competition.0 -
Heh, those two tweets did make me chuckleRick Chasey wrote:EdwardPickering @EdwardPickering
Valverde press conference done. He's no David Millar, put it that way.
1m Daniel Friebe @friebos
@EdwardPickering just asked Valverde whether he wished to admit mistake and clearly state position on doping. Alejandro didn't fancy it.0 -
To be fair his change of pace on the flats isn't that shabby. It's the change of pace that requires your backside off the saddle is the question mark.Rick Chasey wrote:Turfle wrote:
I actually think Wiggins' goals will change somewhat after the Tour. Maybe another go at Paris-Roubaix, and try some of the other one day classics.
Yeah.
That won't happen without some big work on his accelerations.0 -
rebs wrote:
To be fair his change of pace on the flats isn't that shabby. It's the change of pace that requires your backside off the saddle is the question mark.Rick Chasey wrote:Turfle wrote:
I actually think Wiggins' goals will change somewhat after the Tour. Maybe another go at Paris-Roubaix, and try some of the other one day classics.
Yeah.
That won't happen without some big work on his accelerations.
You've also got to think that position he has is going to be uncomfortable on the cobbles, but maybe I'm wrong.0 -
thamacdaddy wrote:Froome and his mrs need to know what side their bread is buttered. Sky have surely told him that he will get his go, we will no doubt she wiggo helping him so why can't he show the kind of maturity you get from Rogers, EBH, Porte and even Cav. I mean Cav is world champ collecting bottles and not kicking off outside of closed doors or making silly comments in interviews.
Froome is effectively undermining his own team like Tevez or Ballotelli do in football and I would like him a lot more if he did his bit respectively and then made his case for a team leadership as protected rider on another tour where he doesn't have a two minute deficit to argubly one of the top ten TTers in the world.
We could all say coulda woulda but he did get caught behind a crash, and he is working as a right hand man and even if he had gone today and possibly got 40seconds what is that worth to him really? I do think he should have been given the chance of the stage but all sympathy goes out of the window when he doesn't know how to respect his team, his team leader and more importantly the guy in Yellow.
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Thanks you for saying what I wanted to say and saving me all that typing0 -
What was said in the interviews with Brad/Brailsford/Yates/Froome etc? Lost feed just after the finish."Mummy Mummy, when will I grow up?"
"Don't be silly son, you're a bloke, you'll never grow up"0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:rebs wrote:
To be fair his change of pace on the flats isn't that shabby. It's the change of pace that requires your backside off the saddle is the question mark.Rick Chasey wrote:Turfle wrote:
I actually think Wiggins' goals will change somewhat after the Tour. Maybe another go at Paris-Roubaix, and try some of the other one day classics.
Yeah.
That won't happen without some big work on his accelerations.
You've also got to think that position he has is going to be uncomfortable on the cobbles, but maybe I'm wrong.
Pretty much like a week in a Turkish prison I'd say.0 -
thamacdaddy wrote:. I mean Cav is world champ collecting bottles and not kicking off outside of closed doors or making silly comments in interviews.
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I have just tweeted michelle cound to make that point that the world champion manages to be a water carrier without having a hissy fit
stupid cow needs to get over herself0 -
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Missed all bar last 3km today, but happy to see outcome.
Nibs complaining about muscular problems on Rai 2 sport.All the gear, but no idea...0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Take a chill pill Carrock.
Yeah, take this guy's advice. He knows how to wind up cycling wags over twitter :twisted:"Mummy Mummy, when will I grow up?"
"Don't be silly son, you're a bloke, you'll never grow up"0 -
Lots of things Wiggins can target next year apart from the Tour again. Giro Vuelta double
Classics.
Needles to say. It'll be a big ask to top this season. His been fantastic all season.
I also think their is more to the Froome looking back stuff. Don't think he was looking to really disrespect him. But if he was its a shame. Wiggins isn't an out an out climber but his not really being dragged up the hills as much as people think. Remember in 2009 Sky tried this tactic on the first hill and it went bad... very very quickly.0 -
Keyser__Soze wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Take a chill pill Carrock.
Yeah, take this guy's advice. He knows how to wind up cycling wags over twitter :twisted:
There's cheeky wind ups and calling women cows.
Right?0 -
Keyser__Soze wrote:What was said in the interviews with Brad/Brailsford/Yates/Froome etc? Lost feed just after the finish.
In short:
Yates (when asked about whether Froome should have gone on ahead): haven't seen TV images yet, so don't know what happened exactly, but we were just focusing on winning the overall
Froome (when asked about the same): we weren't here for the stage, we were here to win yellow
Wiggins (not being asked about this, and looking a bit tearful): I lost concentration on that last climb, once we'd cracked Nibali all these thoughts just kept coming through my head0 -
rebs wrote:Remember in 2009 Sky tried this tactic on the first hill and it went bad... very very quickly.
Yeah, but it's always a nightmare trying to lead up a climb when your team is still a year away from being formed and is still just a rumour.0 -
The famous dutch phrase : De Tour wacht op niemand.............Maar Froome gelukkig wel.
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