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  • pb21
    pb21 Posts: 2,171
    TBH I am surprised that Froome wasnt allowed to go for it.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Missed the end.

    I'm right in thinking wasn't too exciting?

    Broke up on the climb, Valv. won, Froome had to crack the whip a bit to keep Wiggins there and Nibs lost time on them but gained on others?

    Or am I missing something?

    No, Froome and Wiggo rode away from everyone. They were closing down on Valv fast but Wiggins looked like he was cracking, Froome looked capable of winning the stage but sat up and waited for Wiggins while making it a blatant statement. The only other rider who could get close to them was Pinot. Having said that, slightly earlier Froome looked like he was in danger of getting gapped by Wiggins.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    afx237vi wrote:
    Oh dear, Ms. Froome not happy.

    Well she's not gonna be with a bloke that looks that weird.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    afx237vi wrote:
    Oh dear, Ms. Froome not happy.


    I just popped along to the twitter homepage of @michellecound

    I'm on Froome's side all of a sudden.
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  • orangepip
    orangepip Posts: 219
    dougzz wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    Oh dear, Ms. Froome not happy.
    When she's shopping on the proceeds of that contract she'll get over it.

    +1 These cycling wives need to wind their necks in.
    As a team you stick to the goal and when you're succeeding you don't change tack halfway through.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    orangepip wrote:
    dougzz wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    Oh dear, Ms. Froome not happy.
    When she's shopping on the proceeds of that contract she'll get over it.

    +1 These cycling wives need to wind their necks in.
    As a team you stick to the goal and when you're succeeding you don't change tack halfway through.

    In light of what happened in the Vuelta....
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  • gattocattivo
    gattocattivo Posts: 500
    Wiggins looking quite emotional in the interview
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Jez mon wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Missed the end.

    I'm right in thinking wasn't too exciting?

    Broke up on the climb, Valv. won, Froome had to crack the whip a bit to keep Wiggins there and Nibs lost time on them but gained on others?

    Or am I missing something?

    Basically, yes.

    Had he been left to go, I'd give Froome, an exceptionally generous, 40 seconds over Wiggo. Which for all those Froomey Fan boys, is less than half of the current time gap between the two riders.

    Most of those he lost behind crashes, right?

    He lost a few in the prologue and 30 or so in the TT.

    Which comes to roughly 40 seconds. Right?
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  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    Some people need to sit down with a big book on the history of pro cycling and learn how a team works.

    A team won't last long or be that successful without a subscription to Pecking Order Monthly. that's just how it is.
    @JaunePeril

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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    I rate this Tour 3.5 / 10

    ASO's fault
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    iainf72 wrote:
    I rate this Tour 3.5 / 10

    ASO's fault

    Generous.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    Froome was a bit like a spoiled kid who gets told by their parents that they can't do something then the parent relents and they say "I don't want to do it now". He did leave Wiggins to do the bulk of the riding on the front on the final climb which is pretty strange team support - in fact Porte (who crashed) and Rogers didn't do much either. Nice big lead out for Cav on Sunday now, get Peta back on side!
  • emadden
    emadden Posts: 2,431
    Those pubes on Wiggins' face dont do much for his looks :)

    First win for the new Dogma 65.1

    Froome's gesturing takes some gloss off Wiggins... Wiggins shouldve gestured with a smile, a thumbs up and a "go on" wave....
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    I rate this Tour 3.5 / 10

    ASO's fault

    Generous.

    There were some good stages. Like 4
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    afx237vi wrote:
    Oh dear, Ms. Froome not happy.

    I reckon she posts as Kanto on this forum
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    emadden wrote:
    Froome's gesturing takes some gloss off Wiggins... Wiggins shouldve gestured with a smile, a thumbs up and a "go on" wave....

    Exactly. He'd look like a confident and generous leader. Rather than....
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • TheStone
    TheStone Posts: 2,291
    iainf72 wrote:
    The only thing I wonder is do Sky know who's recovering better, and are wary of Froome being any closer to Wiggins in the GC.

    That's what I think. Froome might be able to take some decent time in the final TT.
    Not 2 mins though.

    Will Froome stay at Sky? Not in a bad way, but doesn't suit either of them to have the best two riders on the same team.
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  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    iainf72 wrote:
    emadden wrote:
    Froome's gesturing takes some gloss off Wiggins... Wiggins shouldve gestured with a smile, a thumbs up and a "go on" wave....

    Exactly. He'd look like a confident and generous leader. Rather than....

    ...someone who was utterly shattered.
  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    kanto wrote:
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    Roll on the Vuelta at least we will see froome being "Allowed" to show he's the strongest

    I think it is clear for everyone to see that Wiggins doesn't really deserve this TDF as Froome has been the strongest rider, and Wiggins couldn't take much time out of Froome during the TT. Team Sky are an embarrassment to the sport, not allowing Froome to attack when Wiggins was home and dry. Brailsford and Co are like those nodding Churchill dogs you see in the back of cars.

    You've got no idea if Froome deserves it or not because there hasn't been a race between Wiggo and Froome...

    we've got no idea how that would pan out over the whole race ->> not just the two mountain stages where Froome has been pinned back and the TT which was the only stage so far when they can actually really be compared as we can reliably assume that both gave 100% to the stage.

    At the end of the day.. Froome isn't the team leader.. and hasn't put himself in a position to be the team leader (eg. past performance, having a personality, taking the yellow jersey etc.). Cycling is a team sport.. and Wiggo was chosen as the leader.

    You can't take anything away from him.


    I've lost respect for Froome though.. the whole looking over the shoulder.. and sitting just out of Wiggos wheel isn't very classy... just slow the pace and do what you're paid to do... without making anyone look bad.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TheStone wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    The only thing I wonder is do Sky know who's recovering better, and are wary of Froome being any closer to Wiggins in the GC.

    That's what I think. Froome might be able to take some decent time in the final TT.
    Not 2 mins though.

    Will Froome stay at Sky? Not in a bad way, but doesn't suit either of them to have the best two riders on the same team.

    Better in the tent p!ssing out....
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  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    TheStone wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    The only thing I wonder is do Sky know who's recovering better, and are wary of Froome being any closer to Wiggins in the GC.

    That's what I think. Froome might be able to take some decent time in the final TT.
    Not 2 mins though.

    Will Froome stay at Sky? Not in a bad way, but doesn't suit either of them to have the best two riders on the same team.

    Wiggins has said a few times now that he'd be happy to ride for Froome.

    I actually think Wiggins' goals will change somewhat after the Tour. Maybe another go at Paris-Roubaix, and try some of the other one day classics.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Turfle wrote:

    I actually think Wiggins' goals will change somewhat after the Tour. Maybe another go at Paris-Roubaix, and try some of the other one day classics.

    Yeah.

    That won't happen without some big work on his accelerations.
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  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    I suggest a few people on this forum read this: (amazingly it actually exists !!)
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    It's all a bit saddening really. The idea of having a first Brit winner is going to be question marked forever now because of another Brit!

    It's a bit like pulling a bird way out of your league and finding out she's got genital herpes.
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  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    iainf72 wrote:
    emadden wrote:
    Froome's gesturing takes some gloss off Wiggins... Wiggins shouldve gestured with a smile, a thumbs up and a "go on" wave....
    Exactly. He'd look like a confident and generous leader. Rather than....
    Yeah, and it's not like he's busy riding up a mountain, or under any pressure in the last 3 weeks. If only he thought clearer.
  • samiam
    samiam Posts: 227
    I don't know why people think Froome is some invincible climber of yore. I've seen him look in deep trouble a couple of times this tour, of course this has been coupled with times where he looks completely fresh.

    I think he has the potential to go bang in a big way if attacked correctly.
  • rwsbike971
    rwsbike971 Posts: 40
    gattocattivo wrote:
    Wiggins looking quite emotional in the interview

    Yeah, sounds like he wasn't worried about the stage once he knew Nibali had cracked.
    "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Missed the end.

    I'm right in thinking wasn't too exciting?

    Broke up on the climb, Valv. won, Froome had to crack the whip a bit to keep Wiggins there and Nibs lost time on them but gained on others?

    Or am I missing something?

    Basically, yes.

    Had he been left to go, I'd give Froome, an exceptionally generous, 40 seconds over Wiggo. Which for all those Froomey Fan boys, is less than half of the current time gap between the two riders.

    Most of those he lost behind crashes, right?

    He lost a few in the prologue and 30 or so in the TT.

    Which comes to roughly 40 seconds. Right?

    Another TT to go though and you can't just discount the time lost to crashes tbh.

    IMO, Wiggins may have been more aggressive a few times out on the road if not for the time Froome lost in the first week.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • emadden
    emadden Posts: 2,431
    dougzz wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    emadden wrote:
    Froome's gesturing takes some gloss off Wiggins... Wiggins shouldve gestured with a smile, a thumbs up and a "go on" wave....
    Exactly. He'd look like a confident and generous leader. Rather than....
    Yeah, and it's not like he's busy riding up a mountain, or under any pressure in the last 3 weeks. If only he thought clearer.

    well he certainly had he ability to gesture 3km before!
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  • rdt
    rdt Posts: 869
    edited July 2012
    Interesting interview with Wiggins - very different from the usual highly focused 1-day ahead affair. Looks like the Jersey finally got to him today, a burden that Froome's not had to carry.

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