Tour de France Stage 10 *Spoiler*

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  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    Turfle wrote:
    Also to give Nibali a hand if he has an attack planned.

    Orica won't let him go though. And I'd imagine Sky wouldn't either.

    Why wouldn't Sky let him go? He's no threat to GC

    Think they'd probably rather Sagan not be there at the top of the Colombier to give Nibali a hand on the descents.
  • ellerslierd
    ellerslierd Posts: 266
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Movistar are anonymous too.

    Cofidis, fair enough, not the best rest day.

    The only thing I've noticed Movistar do so far is drive the bunch following the crashes in week one :?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Nibs has 2 team mates in there. Fofonov and Grivko :P
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • ellerslierd
    ellerslierd Posts: 266
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    ellerslierd wrote:
    Only Sky, Movistar, Cofidis, Lotto and Vacansoleil not in the jail break.
    EDIT: and Argos

    Fixed that for you :wink:

    Surprised about Vacansoeil, I thought Johnny would give it a go.

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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,710
    Hmmm, Liqui and BMC puttin gmen up the road to help their boys later whilst Forcing Sky to chase all day. Sounds like they re doing what Nibbles has said they need to do! Lets see if it works!
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  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    Why do Sky need to chase that break? They could give them 10 minutes without panicking. Why not just let them hang out there, let the BMC / LG guys burn their legs? And why would Nibs need Sagan to help him descend?!
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  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    BigMat wrote:
    Why do Sky need to chase that break? They could give them 10 minutes without panicking. Why not just let them hang out there, let the BMC / LG guys burn their legs? And why would Nibs need Sagan to help him descend?!

    +1

    My thoughts entirely. That group will shred itself on the Colombier anyway. I see it going up to 10 minutes max and then being gradually brought back in; maybe to about 5-ish
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,710
    They need to chase to STOP them getting 10 mins. Maybe not chase them back in though yes...

    Either way that's sky riders on the front all day.
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  • alan_a
    alan_a Posts: 1,589
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  • Daz555
    Daz555 Posts: 3,976
    ddraver wrote:
    They need to chase to STOP them getting 10 mins. Maybe not chase them back in though yes...

    Either way that's sky riders on the front all day.
    Evans' lot will have to do their share as well I'd have thought?
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  • patchy
    patchy Posts: 779
    Gerrans and Goss (OGE)

    could also be handy for Evans up the road...
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Daz555 wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    They need to chase to STOP them getting 10 mins. Maybe not chase them back in though yes...

    Either way that's sky riders on the front all day.
    Evans' lot will have to do their share as well I'd have thought?

    Why? They've got riders in the break
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    ddraver wrote:
    They need to chase to STOP them getting 10 mins. Maybe not chase them back in though yes...

    Either way that's sky riders on the front all day.

    Maybe not, Evans and Nibs are not that break and they is surely the GC contenders even though theymay have team mates ahead. It could be a mexican stand off but I can't see either the boys in green or red allowing the break to go too far. Their men ahead may end up sandbagging on the break.
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  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    patchy wrote:
    Gerrans and Goss (OGE)

    could also be handy for Evans up the road...

    Eh ?? In that case Wiggins will be delighted that Cummings and Millar are in the break.

    Sorry, but I'm afraid that's nonsense
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,710
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    They need to chase to STOP them getting 10 mins. Maybe not chase them back in though yes...

    Either way that's sky riders on the front all day.

    Maybe not, Evans and Nibs are not that break and they is surely the GC contenders even though theymay have team mates ahead. It could be a mexican stand off but I can't see either the boys in green or red allowing the break to go too far. Their men ahead may end up sandbagging on the break.

    I think a mexican standoff is exactly what they re hoping for! At the moment Sky have the most to lose, and anyway, it's not the Brailsford way to hope someone else will work is it? Burn off all the TTers/Roulers early leaving Wiggins and Froome alone by the bottom of the climb - then let the domestiques in the break drop back to pull Nibbles/Evans up the road, then BOOM!

    We ll see....
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Is ITV on yet?
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  • step-hent
    step-hent Posts: 62
    dsoutar wrote:
    patchy wrote:
    Gerrans and Goss (OGE)

    could also be handy for Evans up the road...

    Eh ?? In that case Wiggins will be delighted that Cummings and Millar are in the break.

    Sorry, but I'm afraid that's nonsense

    It's not that far fetched that OGE could help Evans - they don't have a competing GC interest and Evans will probably be working for Goss in the Olympics. Whereas Cummings has his team leader in direct competition with Wiggins for GC. Not saying that it's a definite that OGE would help Evans, but there's a reasonable chance they'd co-operate in the right circumstances.
  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    I would imagine the likes of Roche, VDB and the RSNT boys will be concerned about losing their GC placing to Scarponi so will probably help keep the break in check - its a bit complicated as so many teams are in the break, but ultimately there are other teams with as much to gain as Sky from stopping it getting too far ahead. They'll probably hold it at around 6 minutes and then close most of that on the climb - might see a few stay out front. Will be interesting to see if Cummings / Burghardt / Sagan can latch on to the yellow jersey group if/when it catches them on the climb, I'm not convinced - they'd probably only be of assistance to Evans / Nibs if either had been dropped.
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    step-hent wrote:
    dsoutar wrote:
    patchy wrote:
    Gerrans and Goss (OGE)

    could also be handy for Evans up the road...

    Eh ?? In that case Wiggins will be delighted that Cummings and Millar are in the break.

    Sorry, but I'm afraid that's nonsense

    It's not that far fetched that OGE could help Evans - they don't have a competing GC interest and Evans will probably be working for Goss in the Olympics. Whereas Cummings has his team leader in direct competition with Wiggins for GC. Not saying that it's a definite that OGE would help Evans, but there's a reasonable chance they'd co-operate in the right circumstances.

    I think you mean circumstance$
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  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    step-hent wrote:
    dsoutar wrote:
    patchy wrote:
    Gerrans and Goss (OGE)

    could also be handy for Evans up the road...

    Eh ?? In that case Wiggins will be delighted that Cummings and Millar are in the break.

    Sorry, but I'm afraid that's nonsense

    It's not that far fetched that OGE could help Evans - they don't have a competing GC interest and Evans will probably be working for Goss in the Olympics. Whereas Cummings has his team leader in direct competition with Wiggins for GC. Not saying that it's a definite that OGE would help Evans, but there's a reasonable chance they'd co-operate in the right circumstances.

    Its irrelevant - Goss would be less than useless to Evans on a HC climb, Gerrans might be able to pass him a bottle I suppose!
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  • step-hent
    step-hent Posts: 62
    BigMat wrote:
    step-hent wrote:
    dsoutar wrote:
    patchy wrote:
    Gerrans and Goss (OGE)

    could also be handy for Evans up the road...

    Eh ?? In that case Wiggins will be delighted that Cummings and Millar are in the break.

    Sorry, but I'm afraid that's nonsense

    It's not that far fetched that OGE could help Evans - they don't have a competing GC interest and Evans will probably be working for Goss in the Olympics. Whereas Cummings has his team leader in direct competition with Wiggins for GC. Not saying that it's a definite that OGE would help Evans, but there's a reasonable chance they'd co-operate in the right circumstances.

    Its irrelevant - Goss would be less than useless to Evans on a HC climb, Gerrans might be able to pass him a bottle I suppose!
    Agreed - but it depends when they hook up. Isn't there a large amount of flat towards the end? If the break stays out that long, they could help him along the flat run in.

    Fair enough, reading that back it sounds a bit far-fetched!
  • andyjr
    andyjr Posts: 635
    Sky just need to be sensible & not chase too hard early on, if at all. None of those in the break are a real threat to them, possibly to others who may fear losing a top ten place. If that's the case & someone else does the chasing all well and good.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    he 25 leaders - Burghardt, Cummings, Popovych, Voigt, Scarponi, Sagan, Grivko, Voeckler, Arashiro, Martinez, Millar, Zabriskie, Peraud, Jeandesboz, Horrach, Casar, Hutarovich, Ladagnous, Sanchez (RAB), Kroon, Morkov, Fofonov, Devenyns, Gerrans and Goss - are now 5'55" ahead of the peloton which is at the 71km mark.

    In case they haven't all been said yet.
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  • fluff.
    fluff. Posts: 771
    Sky all on the front with Eisel leading the chase, as of 5 mins ago.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,259
    If Sky use Eisel up chasing too early, they'll be on their Knees by the mountain.
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  • TheStone
    TheStone Posts: 2,291
    My tip (and now my money) is for Peraud
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    RichN95 wrote:
    If Sky use Eisel up chasing too early, they'll be on their Knees by the mountain.

    Weey.
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  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    Cav doing "a job of work" in the Sky group. How far will he get up the Colombier before he is shelled?
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  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    Maybe not, Evans and Nibs are not that break and they is surely the GC contenders even though they may have team mates ahead. It could be a mexican stand off but I can't see either the boys in green or red allowing the break to go too far. Their men ahead may end up sandbagging on the break.

    This.

    As long as the GC contenders aren't in the break then within reason it doesn't matter who wins. There's no need for SKY to chase at all IMHO - call their bluff.
  • emadden
    emadden Posts: 2,431
    So, if you were Evans' director sportive at this point in the stage what would be your tactics?

    Here's mine:

    BMC to sit in and offer no help. Sky need to chase and will burn some guys. Leave them lead up the Colombiere.

    The break will splinter on Colombiere. We will do a deal with Garmin/Europcar so that one of the riders in the break drops back to provide help when Cadel jumps at 2/3 of the way up...

    Even if Bradley comes it wont matter. Cut the brake cables on the descent and on start of Richmond attack again at 100%... Keep attacking until you drop Wiggins or crack... whichever comes first...

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