Wiggins 2012 performance
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Just read the article and I tend to agree with you Rich. Still harbouring a grudge about a throwaway tweet in 2009. Sheesh.RichN95 wrote:The problem with Kimmage is that he demands the moon on a stick from everyone he interviews and if he doesn't get it he sticks the knife in. He's from the Jeremy Kyle "cry or I'll f*** you up" school of journalism, just more high brow.
He's had it in for Wiggins since they had a row about posing for photos in 2010.0 -
But it is if your team leader has had a row with him a few weeks before. Ocean cruises need not be cumbersome, but they probably are if you ex-wife and her mother are on board.iainf72 wrote:ddraver wrote:I think you may be attributing a bit too much to Paul Kimmage there iain!
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Nah, just saying it need not be overly cumbersome having him around
Kimmage thinks that being with the team is an entitlement not a privilege, so when he quite reasonably gets denied he gets the hump and spins it into lack of transparency whenever possible.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:Kimmage thinks that being with the team is an entitlement not a privilege, so when he quite reasonably gets denied he gets the hump and spins it into lack of transparency whenever possible.
But Sky aren't particularly transparent. That Birnie interview with Brailsford is the kind of thing they need to do rather than just ignore it, so I'd not suggest its spin.
Wasn't the case with Kimmage that they said they'd do it, and then wouldn't?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
RichN95 wrote:The problem with Kimmage is that he demands the moon on a stick from everyone he interviews and if he doesn't get it he sticks the knife in. He's from the Jeremy Kyle "cry or I'll f*** you up" school of journalism, just more high brow.
He's had it in for Wiggins since they had a row about posing for photos in 2010.
Well he's a tit then and a very poor journalist if he thinks he's entitled to that sort of access. Just like I'm sure Apple or Glaxo (or any other successful organisation) would be more than happy to have a journo embedded in their midst. Look what wonders having someone embedded was for the England team when Taylor was the manager.0 -
But that's just it. What Sky offered was an invitation, not an obligation. It's their prerogative to change their mind. They think their priority is the riders, but Kimmage thinks it should be Paul Kimmage. So he blames them entirely and reports it as a transparency issue rather than a 'Kimmage being a knob' issue.iainf72 wrote:RichN95 wrote:Kimmage thinks that being with the team is an entitlement not a privilege, so when he quite reasonably gets denied he gets the hump and spins it into lack of transparency whenever possible.
But Sky aren't particularly transparent. That Birnie interview with Brailsford is the kind of thing they need to do rather than just ignore it, so I'd not suggest its spin.
Wasn't the case with Kimmage that they said they'd do it, and then wouldn't?
Kimmage is very aware of his position so he abuses it my demanding people dance to his tune or he'll go running to the internet. And he has plenty of disciples to spread the word.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Wait, so Kimmage doesn't moan about teams who don't offer an invitation. So Sky brought it upon themselves, surely? I don't disagree Kimmage can be a knob, but do you not think Sky acted knob like here too?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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RichN95 wrote:The problem with Kimmage is that he demands the moon on a stick from everyone he interviews and if he doesn't get it he sticks the knife in. He's from the Jeremy Kyle "cry or I'll f*** you up" school of journalism, just more high brow.
He's had it in for Wiggins since they had a row about posing for photos in 2010.
Come on -- that is silly.
He is taking the team seriously -- Sky are the ones who talked about being clean. Kimmage is asking them to practice what they preach. Nothing wrong with that.
I think Sky and Garmin should be held to high standard. And Wiggins does seem to have stepped back from calling out all the dopers.
Will Sky fans now claim that Kimmage is "...not worth the chair that you're sitting on."0 -
iainf72 wrote:Wait, so Kimmage doesn't moan about teams who don't offer an invitation. So Sky brought it upon themselves, surely? I don't disagree Kimmage can be a knob, but do you not think Sky acted knob like here too?
In some respects yes. There was nothing forcing Sky to come out with the strong moral statements they made when they formed.
It's good that they did, but having done so, it's upon Sky to live up to those commitments. Unfortunately there's been more than one reversal.
Not trying to infur anything wrong is going on at Sky, other than they don't seem to be able to keep their word on some things.
I can understand questions marks popping up as a result of that.0 -
No, Sky did what's best for the team. That is their priority. If it means letting the media down, then so be it. Kimmage knows full well that he got denied when Wiggins found out about it and blocked it because of the prior row. Kimmage has said as much himself in the past. But these days he leaves the row out of the story and presentation the transparency angle.iainf72 wrote:Wait, so Kimmage doesn't moan about teams who don't offer an invitation. So Sky brought it upon themselves, surely? I don't disagree Kimmage can be a knob, but do you not think Sky acted knob like here too?Twitter: @RichN950 -
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Kimmage criticizing UCI/Lance = good.
Kimmage criticizing Sky/Wiggins = bad.0 -
Yes that's right - There is black and there is white, only Black or only White! :roll:
Sky have allowed several journos to come with them at races (e.g. Richard Moore and that modcycling bloke), Kimmage is just whiging that it was nt him!We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Harmon in full arse-lick mode and Kelly firmly (and vociferously for Kelly) put him back in his box ... I only hope Kelly was/is right ...0
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I just wonder whether Kimmage would ever be happy. How transparent does 'transparent' have to be? What does he think he had concealed from him? Following his own logic, he'd have to be with a given rider 24/7 to be satisfied. Anything else is a compromise.0
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ddraver wrote:Yes that's right - There is black and there is white, only Black or only White! :roll:
Sky have allowed several journos to come with them at races (e.g. Richard Moore and that modcycling bloke), Kimmage is just whiging that it was nt him!
Neither of those 2 have fanboi tattoos, do they?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
ddraver wrote:Yes that's right - There is black and there is white, only Black or only White! :roll:
Sky have allowed several journos to come with them at races (e.g. Richard Moore and that modcycling bloke), Kimmage is just whiging that it was nt him!
I'm not sure that's right. I heard it mentioned recently that there are at least 50 shades of grey.0 -
These days, if you're famous and aren't living your life like a weeping sore in the gossip mags and on cable TV then it's assumed that you have something to hide.Monty Zoncolan wrote:I just wonder whether Kimmage would ever be happy. How transparent does 'transparent' have to be? What does he think he had concealed from him? Following his own logic, he'd have to be with a given rider 24/7 to be satisfied. Anything else is a compromise.Twitter: @RichN950 -
iainf72 wrote:ddraver wrote:Yes that's right - There is black and there is white, only Black or only White! :roll:
Sky have allowed several journos to come with them at races (e.g. Richard Moore and that modcycling bloke), Kimmage is just whiging that it was nt him!
Neither of those 2 have fanboi tattoos, do they?
I'll wager that Scott Mitchell and Wiggo have matching 'ink'!0 -
ddraver wrote:Yes that's right - There is black and there is white, only Black or only White! :roll:
Sky have allowed several journos to come with them at races (e.g. Richard Moore and that modcycling bloke), Kimmage is just whiging that it was nt him!
Yeah, Kimmage is a big crybaby. :roll:
When it comes to the dope -- it is black and white. You either cheat or you don't. If you don't -- talk about it, show it, celebrate it.
Kimmage criticizing Wiggins/Sky = very bad.0 -
ddraver wrote:Yes that's right - There is black and there is white, only Black or only White! :roll:
Sky have allowed several journos to come with them at races (e.g. Richard Moore and that modcycling bloke), Kimmage is just whiging that it was nt him!
1) The guy who wrote a very flattering book about Sky and about the British Track program? Isn't that a bit like saying Sally Jenkins was allowed to come with Postal so it's proof they are transparent?
2) It's funny that Kimmage is "just whinging" when it is about the British team and the English star, but is lauded when it is about non-Brits.0 -
Crankbrother wrote:Harmon in full arse-lick mode and Kelly firmly (and vociferously for Kelly) put him back in his box ... I only hope Kelly was/is right ...
Whats this all about?0 -
Bakunin wrote:ddraver wrote:Yes that's right - There is black and there is white, only Black or only White! :roll:
Sky have allowed several journos to come with them at races (e.g. Richard Moore and that modcycling bloke), Kimmage is just whiging that it was nt him!
Yeah, Kimmage is a big crybaby. :roll:
When it comes to the dope -- it is black and white. You either cheat or you don't. If you don't -- talk about it, show it, celebrate it.
Kimmage criticizing Wiggins/Sky = very bad.
Show what exactly? Come in our room and look how there are no EPO vials here? Should Sky let every Journo/Author come on a 3 week jolly round France with them or Just Paul Kimmage? What about Will Fotheringham or Daniel Friebe? David Walsh would probably enjoy it too...
Kimmage is a great journalist and a fearless anti doping advocate but that doest mean he does nt have his faults!We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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ddraver wrote:Bakunin wrote:ddraver wrote:Yes that's right - There is black and there is white, only Black or only White! :roll:
Sky have allowed several journos to come with them at races (e.g. Richard Moore and that modcycling bloke), Kimmage is just whiging that it was nt him!
Yeah, Kimmage is a big crybaby. :roll:
When it comes to the dope -- it is black and white. You either cheat or you don't. If you don't -- talk about it, show it, celebrate it.
Kimmage criticizing Wiggins/Sky = very bad.
Show what exactly? Come in our room and look how there are no EPO vials here? Should Sky let every Journo/Author come on a 3 week jolly round France with them or Just Paul Kimmage? What about Will Fotheringham or Daniel Friebe? David Walsh would probably enjoy it too...
Kimmage is a great journalist and a fearless anti doping advocate but that doest mean he does nt have his faults!
That was silly. EPO vials, really?
I don't think it has to be Kimmage -- but if you talk the talk, you need to ...0 -
Kimmage connects the dots....
Wiggins on the doping team Cofidis years ago
Geert Leinders - Rabobank's Dr. Ferrari
Michael Barry - US Postal doper now on UK Postal
Sean Yates - US Postal now UK Postal0 -
It makes no odds what Sky does and with which journos. It is impossible for them to prove they are not doping.
It will take time - maybe another decade of clean winners in the major road races before people start accepting what should be the default - namely assumed innocent until proven otherwise.
No one puts much doubt on track cyclists for example. Hoy has been smashing the rest of the world up for a decade but in 2008 was on a different planet to everyone else - and yet there was no suspicion.You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
cycling5280 wrote:Kimmage connects the dots....
Wiggins on the doping team Cofidis years ago
Geert Leinders - Rabobank's Dr. Ferrari
Michael Barry - US Postal doper now on UK Postal
Sean Yates - US Postal now UK Postal
"Do you have any actual evidence M. Hutz?"
"I have plenty of conjecture and hearsay... Those are kinds of evidence""In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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... in much the same way that if you connect those white dots in the sky (see what I did there, "sky"?) with a vivid imagination, you can see centaurs, dragons and flying horses...cycling5280 wrote:Kimmage connects the dots....0 -
Well yeah, but unfortuantly, the trouble is you can connect the dots to everyone in cycling. There is no team that you could nt do that with. Only the actions they re doing today are what we can judge...
Daz - no money in Track cycling though...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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