2012 Tour De France Spolier Thread
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Paulie W wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Who said Nibs would follow Froome?
Wiggins should be following Nibs. Froome can climb faster than nibs.
Send Froome out with 20km to go, or at the bottom of a big climb.
See what happens.
One question - Why?
It becomes a binary scenario where sky win both ways (unless Wiggins is rubbish, which he's not).
Either the rivals chase Froome down and Wiggins gets an easy ride whilst his rivals tire themselves out, or they don't chase Froome and he gains loads of time.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:pitchshifter wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Who said Nibs would follow Froome?
Wiggins should be following Nibs. Froome can climb faster than nibs.
Send Froome out with 20km to go, or at the bottom of a big climb.
See what happens.
Well this didn't happen yesterday when Froome attacked....
Well no, but that was all too late. Circumstances were different for that to work. Anyway, Wiggins shouldn't have been putting his nose in the wind after Froome dropped back. No need.
Think Sastre in 2008 on the Alp.
I think Wiggins said he thought Froome was cooked, thats why he went to the front to chase down Nibali. His radio was out by then.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Paulie W wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Who said Nibs would follow Froome?
Wiggins should be following Nibs. Froome can climb faster than nibs.
Send Froome out with 20km to go, or at the bottom of a big climb.
See what happens.
One question - Why?
It becomes a binary scenario where sky win both ways (unless Wiggins is rubbish, which he's not).
Either the rivals chase Froome down and Wiggins gets an easy ride whilst his rivals tire themselves out, or they don't chase Froome and he gains loads of time.
Or Froome blows and Wiggins punctures.
Nibali wins the Tour
Evans would come second but he can't ride his bike for pishing himself laughing.
Its all risk - no reward“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Paulie W wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Who said Nibs would follow Froome?
Wiggins should be following Nibs. Froome can climb faster than nibs.
Send Froome out with 20km to go, or at the bottom of a big climb.
See what happens.
One question - Why?
It becomes a binary scenario where sky win both ways (unless Wiggins is rubbish, which he's not).
Either the rivals chase Froome down and Wiggins gets an easy ride whilst his rivals tire themselves out, or they don't chase Froome and he gains loads of time.
But what does that achieve that they dont already have as a team? A good tactic if Wiggins is sitting 2nd and Froome 3rd and they want to put the yellow jersey under pressure but 'your' tactic carries with it the risk that Wiggins gets dropped or that Froome blows up or even both.0 -
If Wiggins gets dropped surely there's even less incentive to look after him for Froome?
Why have both riders lose time?0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:If Wiggins gets dropped surely there's even less incentive to look after him for Froome?
Why have both riders lose time?
But the incentive is already there. They are 1-2 and the tactics are working very well up to now. The tactic you're suggesting puts Wiggins under unnecessary pressure and increases the likelihood of him being dropped - it looked like that might happen yesterday with limited if any benefit to Froome. if Nibali attacks and it's clear that Wiggins cant go with it and cant close the gap even with Froome's help THEN you let Froome loose.0 -
Greg66 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Greg66 wrote:[
Your POV is completely understandable as a spectator wanting to be entertained. But it is incomprehensible as an armchair team manager. Using your two strongest riders to try to break each other is bonkers. It certainly isn't "hedging your bets".
If they're both riding away from everyone, does it matter that they're fighting it out?
As a matter of interest, what do the chaps over in Pro Race think of your strategy?
viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12865622&start=620#p17737457
Take a look
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Rick Chasey wrote:Greg66 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Greg66 wrote:[
Your POV is completely understandable as a spectator wanting to be entertained. But it is incomprehensible as an armchair team manager. Using your two strongest riders to try to break each other is bonkers. It certainly isn't "hedging your bets".
If they're both riding away from everyone, does it matter that they're fighting it out?
As a matter of interest, what do the chaps over in Pro Race think of your strategy?
viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12865622&start=620#p17737457
Take a look.
Thought so
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Fairly conclusive.Rick Chasey wrote: None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
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Wiggo on the atack!!!
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Greg66 wrote:Who watches the Giro?
The same folk who watch the Monuments and the other Spring Classics?Ben
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Greg66 wrote:
And Northerners. Apparently.
Seriously though, the Giro generally ends up more exciting that the TdF, in my opinion. Some of the gradients are insane.Ben
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Utterly amazing. About the only thing that would allow other teams back into this race is if Sky allowed their top two to 'fight it out'. I mean, if you could grant them one wish right now, that would be it. Check out what good ol' Bjarne Riis has been saying with the express intention of stirring it up.
Now I realise RC is being unnecessarily flippant with a view to getting a rise, but c'mon.0 -
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Jeez he held his nerve well there....“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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So pleased for Millar and Garmin... Classy.0
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+1suzyb wrote:
+1pitchshifter wrote:So pleased for Millar and Garmin... Classy.None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
+1Ben6899 wrote:Greg66 wrote:
And Northerners. Apparently.
Seriously though, the Giro generally ends up more exciting that the TdF, in my opinion. Some of the gradients are insane.
Il Giro is usually a more interesting race.
This years TdF is exceptional in many, many ways. We should just savour the moments.
And dream of a similar future. :PNone of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
Best TdF ever.
The French would give their collective left nut for GT winner, so I'll take it.
And with the talent on show this year, next year's edition (the 100th?) is shaping up to be a blinder.FCN 2-4.
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cjcp wrote:Best TdF ever.
For a neutral it's a shame than there's no one capable of putting the Sky machine under any real pressure.
Nibali just isn't quite good enough and Evans isn't that type of rider.
2 Schlecks and a Contador could have made this a completely different race.
Would love to see Evans having another dig on the climb before the end today. Futile it maybe but there's no point accepting 4th....“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
