Hincapie

symo

This may be the reason. 10 persons have testified, if I were Big G, and I knew something, imunity for the truth is a great way to go out imho. Also JV's assertions recently, this both probably led to his returement.

dave_1

symo wrote:

This may be the reason. 10 persons have testified, if I were Big G, and I knew something, imunity for the truth is a great way to go out imho. Also JV's assertions recently, this both probably led to his returement.

I think big George knew something was afoot hence the preemptive retirement announcement before he's forced out. No way should G be allowed to ride TDF if Bruyneel and LA are suspended. G would be a Freddy Rodriguez at most or a total nobody without Lance Armstrong. What was the name of G's propety launched off the Pyrenean win? http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/reale ... reak1.html

G also has the sportswear brand or clothing brand. Wonder if he could have made that business go as a lowly domestique. Wonder what his podium chances will be in the future?

TMR

Dave_1 wrote:

I think big George knew something was afoot hence the preemptive retirement announcement before he's forced out. No way should G be allowed to ride TDF if Bruyneel and LA are suspended.

Why? He obviously won't win, I don't see what difference it makes.

G would be a Freddy Rodriguez at most or a total nobody without Lance Armstrong.

Nonsense.

G also has the sportswear brand or clothing brand. Wonder if he could have made that business go as a lowly domestique.

A great assumption to believe he would have been a lowly domestique. Cream always rises to the top. The company he owns with his brother is called Hincapie Sportswear.

Wonder what his podium chances will be in the future?

Given he retires after the TdF this year, I'd say zero. Obviously.

dougzz

The Mad Rapper wrote:

A great assumption to believe he would have been a lowly domestique. Cream always rises to the top.

Or in cycling in George's era, not cream but the one with the most red cells. George made a career out of cheating, he may be a decent bloke that found himself trapped in a bad situation, but he still got where he did through a lot more than energy bars.

andyp

Bump.

frenchfighter

Go George. Finally.

Vino'sGhost

I believe this is the point where LOL andyP is the correct posting.


Ave doped Calves

PeteinSQ

I remember Hincapie winning a mountain stage one year in the tour and people on here being sceptical and as it turns out they were right.

I suppose at least he and the others (Levi etc) have finally done the right thing but they've not exactly done it out of a sense of community service have they..?

Le Commentateur

"Et tu, Brute?—Then fall, Cæsar."

rebs

Will be interesting to see the approach BMC take with George. Considering they were quick to suspend the Italians (cant recal the name(s)) the moment some nasty smells came there way.

Yellow Peril

Just found this, it is George being interviewed before today's stage.

As has been the case in the past, he has not responded directly about claims that he has spoken to investigators. Asked if he had spoken to Armstrong, he said that it has been some time since they were in contact.

“I haven’t in a while. I feel bad that he is going through all this,” he said. “Lance has done so many things for the sport. His accomplishments are incredible, what he has achieved in the sport of cycling, the attention he has brought to the sport of cycling, what he has done for the cancer society is honourable.”


Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12296 ... z1zkBjY35e


That wasn't the statement I was expecting about LA and not a "sorry" in sight

andyp

It's exactly what I'd expect Hincapie to say. Let's put it this way, what else can he say?

Yellow Peril

andyp wrote:

It's exactly what I'd expect Hincapie to say. Let's put it this way, what else can he say?

But isn't it like commenting on how nice the garden looks after you've just bulldozed the house? He's has coughed to doping hasn't he? Surely he could have said "we were all bang at it, it was the way it was it was wrong and I'm sorry" or such like.

At the very least they should all stand in a line whilst someone kicks them in the (DZ) nuts.

disgruntledgoat

Yellow Peril wrote:

andyp wrote:

It's exactly what I'd expect Hincapie to say. Let's put it this way, what else can he say?

But isn't it like commenting on how nice the garden looks after you've just bulldozed the house? He's has coughed to doping hasn't he? Surely he could have said "we were all bang at it, it was the way it was it was wrong and I'm sorry" or such like.

At the very least they should all stand in a line whilst someone kicks them in the (DZ) nuts.

Probably not a sensible strategy whilst stood on the start line of the race all this is kicking off over with your leader contesting the win...

derbygrimpeur

plus, it's only rumour (currently) that he's coughed. And it may be that he's not allowed to discuss the case in public?

Yellow Peril

rebs wrote:

Will be interesting to see the approach BMC take with George. Considering they were quick to suspend the Italians (cant recal the name(s)) the moment some nasty smells came there way.

^This.

What a dilemma. I bet Evans is thinking "you F*cking Tw*t, this is not what we need for the next fortnight".

It will be interesting to see how this plays out throughout the race, will riders be sent home not so much for doping but because of the strain on their teams?

disgruntledgoat

Yellow Peril wrote:

rebs wrote:

Will be interesting to see the approach BMC take with George. Considering they were quick to suspend the Italians (cant recal the name(s)) the moment some nasty smells came there way.

^This.

What a dilemma. I bet Evans is thinking "you F*cking Tw*t, this is not what we need for the next fortnight".

It will be interesting to see how this plays out throughout the race, will riders be sent home not so much for doping but because of the strain on their teams?

You would think BMC would be aware of Hincapie's testimonies, their timings and their likely impact. He can't have known that somebody would indulge in a bit of high profile witness intimidation.

Yellow Peril

disgruntledgoat wrote:

Yellow Peril wrote:

rebs wrote:

Will be interesting to see the approach BMC take with George. Considering they were quick to suspend the Italians (cant recal the name(s)) the moment some nasty smells came there way.

^This.

What a dilemma. I bet Evans is thinking "you F*cking Tw*t, this is not what we need for the next fortnight".

It will be interesting to see how this plays out throughout the race, will riders be sent home not so much for doping but because of the strain on their teams?

You would think BMC would be aware of Hincapie's testimonies, their timings and their likely impact. He can't have known that somebody would indulge in a bit of high profile witness intimidation.

Calculated risk which has backfired I guess.

iainf72

Is Hincapie under investigation?

(answer, no)

Move on

timoid.

iainf72 wrote:

Is Hincapie under investigation?

(answer, no)

Move on

But if he's admitted to teamwide doping of which he was a part of, shouldn't he be stripped of his Tour stage win in 2005 (which is within the limations period)?

iainf72

Yes, probably. But is he under investigation at the moment? No, so there is no reason for him not to be at the Tour.

I must admit, JB has done and excellent job here distracting people with a bunch of nonsense. Did anyone not think GH was one of the people yesterday? Or a month ago. There is nothing new here aside from "oh, they're getting off for what they did" which Vaughters has denied is true

Vino'sGhost

'IF' he's admitted to doping, shouldnt he have an automatic 2 year ban? Anyway, he might not have grassed himself or Lance up.

In any case Lance is the most tested Athlete in the history of all sports and this is starting to sound like witch hunt. There really is no need to bully the bloke.

Go lance the man who beat cancer but is persecuted through the sporting jealousy of the French.

Ave Ride clean Calves

oops forgot the :roll: to indicate to anyone who couldn't see the joyful irony. No need to flame me.

inkyfingers

Timoid. wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Is Hincapie under investigation?

(answer, no)

Move on

But if he's admitted to teamwide doping of which he was a part of, shouldn't he be stripped of his Tour stage win in 2005 (which is within the limations period)?

Is there any point, look at the guys who came 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

I'm keen for justice to be done, but i'm not sure that rewriting history does anybody any favours.

I also don't get why there is all the love for the guys who've apparently confessed. Surely they are as guilty as Armstrong? Ok so they've confessed, but only years after the event, when most of them are at retirement age.

LeicesterLad

inkyfingers wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Is Hincapie under investigation?

(answer, no)

Move on

But if he's admitted to teamwide doping of which he was a part of, shouldn't he be stripped of his Tour stage win in 2005 (which is within the limations period)?

Is there any point, look at the guys who came 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

I'm keen for justice to be done, but i'm not sure that rewriting history does anybody any favours.

I also don't get why there is all the love for the guys who've apparently confessed. Surely they are as guilty as Armstrong? Ok so they've confessed, but only years after the event, when most of them are at retirement age.

Because they have spoken out where the rest of the Peloton havn't dared even acknowledge its existance. In time i'm pretty sure they will all be reprimanded in some way or another. But lets at least celebrate the fact that they have broken the Omerta and spoken out, there plenty in the bunch sitting there sh*tting themselves or refusing to believe doping is a reality. They are the ones I have disdain for.

inkyfingers

LeicesterLad wrote:

inkyfingers wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Is Hincapie under investigation?

(answer, no)

Move on

But if he's admitted to teamwide doping of which he was a part of, shouldn't he be stripped of his Tour stage win in 2005 (which is within the limations period)?

Is there any point, look at the guys who came 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

I'm keen for justice to be done, but i'm not sure that rewriting history does anybody any favours.

I also don't get why there is all the love for the guys who've apparently confessed. Surely they are as guilty as Armstrong? Ok so they've confessed, but only years after the event, when most of them are at retirement age.

Because they have spoken out where the rest of the Peloton havn't dared even acknowledge its existance. In time i'm pretty sure they will all be reprimanded in some way or another. But lets at least celebrate the fact that they have broken the Omerta and spoken out, there plenty in the bunch sitting there sh*tting themselves or refusing to believe doping is a reality. They are the ones I have disdain for.

Sorry, but if they were doing this for any kind of moral reason then they would have piped up before now, the doping they are talking about happened at least 7 years ago, in some cases more.

They have spilled the beans to protect themselves and their reputations and to minimise any punishment, in other words they are acting in their own self interest. The same self interest that kept them from saying anything before and that stops the rest of the peloton wanting to spit in the soup.

Don't get me wrong, i'm pleased they have finally come clean, but I don't think it gives them the right to be put on some sort of pedastal.

LeicesterLad

inkyfingers wrote:

LeicesterLad wrote:

inkyfingers wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Is Hincapie under investigation?

(answer, no)

Move on

But if he's admitted to teamwide doping of which he was a part of, shouldn't he be stripped of his Tour stage win in 2005 (which is within the limations period)?

Is there any point, look at the guys who came 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

I'm keen for justice to be done, but i'm not sure that rewriting history does anybody any favours.

I also don't get why there is all the love for the guys who've apparently confessed. Surely they are as guilty as Armstrong? Ok so they've confessed, but only years after the event, when most of them are at retirement age.

Because they have spoken out where the rest of the Peloton havn't dared even acknowledge its existance. In time i'm pretty sure they will all be reprimanded in some way or another. But lets at least celebrate the fact that they have broken the Omerta and spoken out, there plenty in the bunch sitting there sh*tting themselves or refusing to believe doping is a reality. They are the ones I have disdain for.

Sorry, but if they were doing this for any kind of moral reason then they would have piped up before now, the doping they are talking about happened at least 7 years ago, in some cases more.

They have spilled the beans to protect themselves and their reputations and to minimise any punishment, in other words they are acting in their own self interest. The same self interest that kept them from saying anything before and that stops the rest of the peloton wanting to spit in the soup.

Don't get me wrong, i'm pleased they have finally come clean, but I don't think it gives them the right to be put on some sort of pedastal.

All True of course, mainly out to protect themselves I agree, but if theres still disdain towards them, how does that make you feel about all of the scum sitting in the bunch without a care in the world knowing full well the majority of them could bring a team or two down if they opened their mouths? Eg, Cadel Evans, he even worked with Ferrari so certainly knows others who have and what goes on - everyone loves him, has he ever bothered to dob anyone in for self gain or not? Has he ever really acknowledged a problem? No. but we all love cuddles...

inkyfingers

LeicesterLad wrote:

inkyfingers wrote:

LeicesterLad wrote:

inkyfingers wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Is Hincapie under investigation?

(answer, no)

Move on

But if he's admitted to teamwide doping of which he was a part of, shouldn't he be stripped of his Tour stage win in 2005 (which is within the limations period)?

Is there any point, look at the guys who came 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

I'm keen for justice to be done, but i'm not sure that rewriting history does anybody any favours.

I also don't get why there is all the love for the guys who've apparently confessed. Surely they are as guilty as Armstrong? Ok so they've confessed, but only years after the event, when most of them are at retirement age.

Because they have spoken out where the rest of the Peloton havn't dared even acknowledge its existance. In time i'm pretty sure they will all be reprimanded in some way or another. But lets at least celebrate the fact that they have broken the Omerta and spoken out, there plenty in the bunch sitting there sh*tting themselves or refusing to believe doping is a reality. They are the ones I have disdain for.

Sorry, but if they were doing this for any kind of moral reason then they would have piped up before now, the doping they are talking about happened at least 7 years ago, in some cases more.

They have spilled the beans to protect themselves and their reputations and to minimise any punishment, in other words they are acting in their own self interest. The same self interest that kept them from saying anything before and that stops the rest of the peloton wanting to spit in the soup.

Don't get me wrong, i'm pleased they have finally come clean, but I don't think it gives them the right to be put on some sort of pedastal.

All True of course, mainly out to protect themselves I agree, but if theres still disdain towards them, how does that make you feel about all of the scum sitting in the bunch without a care in the world knowing full well the majority of them could bring a team or two down if they opened their mouths? Eg, Cadel Evans, he even worked with Ferrari so certainly knows others who have and what goes on - everyone loves him, has he ever bothered to dob anyone in for self gain or not? Has he ever really acknowledged a problem? No. but we all love cuddles...

That's the big issue for most of us fans I think. Perhaps part of the reason why i try and avoid falling in love with particular riders, as frankly I don't trust any of them, even Cadel.

blazing_saddles

iainf72 wrote:

Yes, probably. But is he under investigation at the moment? No, so there is no reason for him not to be at the Tour.

I must admit, JB has done and excellent job here distracting people with a bunch of nonsense. Did anyone not think GH was one of the people yesterday? Or a month ago. There is nothing new here aside from "oh, they're getting off for what they did" which Vaughters has denied is true

I agree it was probably Bruyneel who leaked the info, given who he writes for.
If forums know, they they surely do. Not even a stab in the dark, but nice of him
to corroborate their credibility.
Just screwing with their collective Tours, I suppose, or maybe some legal loophole fishing.
Re: JV etc: Sanctions on the Garmin lads would mainly fall outside the S of limitations (Dave Z?), so someone made a mistake.
Vaughters, meanwhile is overwhelmed by the messages of support.

frenchfighter

ratherbeintobago

Is there any point, look at the guys who came 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

I'm keen for justice to be done, but i'm not sure that rewriting history does anybody any favours.

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