Hincapie

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  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    RichN95 wrote:
    It's actually ten. He was on the team for Heras's 2003 Vuelta, but didn't finish.

    So it doesn't count ;)
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    Has he got a book in the pipeline?

    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,646
    ratsbeyfus wrote:
    Has he got a book in the pipeline?

    LA hopes not.
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  • Bakunin
    Bakunin Posts: 868
    He may be well liked -- but he is dodgy (always has been and always will be).
  • dg74
    dg74 Posts: 656
    A great rider, one who is well respected within the Peloton & will probably be missed in years to come.

    Good luck, George, happy retirement.
  • cycling5280
    cycling5280 Posts: 279
    Bakunin wrote:
    He may be well liked -- but he is dodgy (always has been and always will be).

    okay??
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  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    cycling5280 wrote:
    okay??

    He's a troll - just ignore him.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    Good Decision for him IMO - Go out with a bang when you re still on top, everyone still likes you and you re popular. Not sure he ll be missed by anyone out side of America too much, but he was a decent enough guy and a good role model for a young domestique.

    Can't help but think that I'd love to know what he said in the Grand Jury though....
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,547
    He probably told them what a nice guy he was, how you couldn't spend as many years as he has as a pro without having friends in the peleton.

    You know, the usual Hincapie flannel when put on the spot.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Not a fan andy?
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,547
    He's had a long and relatively successful career but a) has been overhyped by the English speaking media and b) he knows what's been going on and was privy to a lot of it but hasn't had the courage to speak openly about it.
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    Bit mixed about Hincapie. I want to dislike him, but I can't.

    The memories of him burning climbers off his wheel in the TdF with Armstrong still make me shudder. Imagine Boonen doing the same today? Would just be wrong.

    That said, you'd love him as your teammate. He was immense for Armstrong, Cavendish and Evans and finishing 17 Roubaixs, 17 Flanders and 14/15 Tours is remarkable.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    andyp wrote:
    He's had a long and relatively successful career but a) has been overhyped by the English speaking media and b) he knows what's been going on and was privy to a lot of it but hasn't had the courage to speak openly about it.
    a) he once got overhyped as a Tour contender, but he was a consistent challenger in the cobbled classics for a decade and he's the most successful domestique in Tour history.

    b) that applies to hundreds, maybe thousands, of other cyclists
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,547
    How many of those hundreds have been questioned under oath on their activities? Very few.I may be asking for too much, but if he'd been truthful then, or even a little less evasive, he'd have earnt more respect.

    Timoid's posting sums up a lot of my feelings on Hincapie but maybe his loyalty stretches too far.
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    andyp wrote:
    How many of those hundreds have been questioned under oath on their activities? Very few.I may be asking for too much, but if he'd been truthful then, or even a little less evasive, he'd have earnt more respect.

    Timoid's posting sums up a lot of my feelings on Hincapie but maybe his loyalty stretches too far.

    You don't have the first idea what he's said under oath, because it's not been released. He has a lot to lose, I very much doubt he'd be stupid enough to go in front of a Grand Jury and not tell the truth about what happened.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,547
    You missed the point, why can he not say what he said in front of a Grand Jury in public?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    andyp wrote:
    You missed the point, why can he not say what he said in front of a Grand Jury in public?

    $$$$$$$$$$


    The buns.

    It's always about the buns.
    _
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    andyp wrote:
    You missed the point, why can he not say what he said in front of a Grand Jury in public?
    Why can't all those other riders who haven't been under oath. They're not saying anything they don't have to, just like Hincapie. It's unfair to single him out.
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  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    andyp wrote:
    You missed the point, why can he not say what he said in front of a Grand Jury in public?

    No, I understood what you meant. Why should he say anything? He doesn't owe you or anyone else an explanation. Are there any reporting or privacy restrictions on Grand Jury testimony? I wouldn't have the first idea. Perhaps he has been ordered not to say anything. It's guess work really isn't it?

    For what it's worth, I think Lance is guilty as sin. I remain open minded about whether George dabbled, but don't think for one second that changes the way I view him. I met him last year and he is a super nice guy, he's had an incredible career and it's just a shame that he can't be allowed to retire in peace without all of these questions being asked.

    The fact is that we can speculate until the cows come home, but we'll never know for sure until either the people involved speak up, or the testimony given to the Grand Jury is released.
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    $$$$$$$$$$


    The buns.

    It's always about the buns.

    I suspect $ is why he appeared and gave evidence. He has too much to lose not to cooperate.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    The Mad Rapper wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    $$$$$$$$$$


    The buns.

    It's always about the buns.

    I suspect $ is why he appeared and gave evidence. He has too much to lose not to cooperate.

    Like I said, it's always about the buns.
    _
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    The Mad Rapper wrote:


    For what it's worth, I think Lance is guilty as sin. I remain open minded about whether George dabbled


    If you believe Lance doped, then you believe the rest of his team did too. All the evidence points to teamwide doping. Evidence relying purely on people's testimonies.

    If you believe the testimony you believed Lance doped ergo Hincapie doped. If you don't believe the testimony, then you should not believe Lance doped.

    I know you stated, that does not change your opinion of him, but you should at least admit he was a doper.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,547
    RichN95 wrote:
    Why can't all those other riders who haven't been under oath. They're not saying anything they don't have to, just like Hincapie. It's unfair to single him out.

    Why is it unfair? He was there, he saw it and he's prepared to speak the truth under oath. Why, if he's such a nice guy who's respected by fans, doesn't he reciprocate that respect and do the same with them?
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    Timoid. wrote:
    I know you stated, that does not change your opinion of him, but you should at least admit he was a doper.

    I believe it's possible. I don't know for sure.
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    andyp wrote:
    Why is it unfair? He was there, he saw it and he's prepared to speak the truth under oath. Why, if he's such a nice guy who's respected by fans, doesn't he reciprocate that respect and do the same with them?

    Why have you got such a hard on for George? I've already told you he doesn't owe you an explanation, just accept that and get on with your life.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    andyp wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Why can't all those other riders who haven't been under oath. They're not saying anything they don't have to, just like Hincapie. It's unfair to single him out.

    Why is it unfair? He was there, he saw it and he's prepared to speak the truth under oath. Why, if he's such a nice guy who's respected by fans, doesn't he reciprocate that respect and do the same with them?

    $$$$$$$

    The buns! The buns!
    _
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    The Mad Rapper wrote:
    Timoid. wrote:
    I know you stated, that does not change your opinion of him, but you should at least admit he was a doper.

    I believe it's possible. I don't know for sure.

    Pah. But if you believe Armstrong doped, you have to believe Hincapie doped. It is the same evidence held against both. It's doublethink to believe otherwise.

    On the other hand if you believe Armstrong didn't dope, don't let Biking Bernie know.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    Timoid. wrote:
    Pah. But if you believe Armstrong doped, you have to believe Hincapie doped. It is the same evidence held against both.

    I believe I've made my position clear, sorry I won't be explicit in the manner you are inviting me to.

    I did say earlier I didn't want this thread to degenerate as the Wiggins thread did. It's a shame you and Andy couldn't have started a new thread to deal specifically with any views you have about doping.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    In fairness to Timoid, reflecting over Hincapie's career is quite difficult without considering the wild difference in his performances pre and post postal.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    edited June 2012
    andyp wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Why can't all those other riders who haven't been under oath. They're not saying anything they don't have to, just like Hincapie. It's unfair to single him out.

    Why is it unfair? He was there, he saw it and he's prepared to speak the truth under oath. Why, if he's such a nice guy who's respected by fans, doesn't he reciprocate that respect and do the same with them?
    He was prepared to speak under oath because it would be perjury not to, he didn't volunteer.
    There are many lots of cyclists liked and respected by fans who know things. What makes them so different? (I think we both know the answer to that one)
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