Giro Stage 5 *spoiler*

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  • OffTheBackAdam
    OffTheBackAdam Posts: 1,869
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    A lot 'easier' than it first looked on the replay. Goss forced Cav into going early but never looked like getting around him.

    I've never seen anyone 'go round' Cav. A bike length is too much. You need to be ahead of him before the sprint starts to have a shot.

    Greipel in the TDF last year? Or did he go from the front?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    One thing I can never work out is why the sprint train doesn't place a rider behind the sprinter to protect his back wheel?

    I've wondered the same many times. I would have thought it a good strategy.

    Not kosha.

    Some people do it, but you don't win many friends doing it.

    There's a general agreement that sprinters will fight it out between them, and not have a load of no-hopers getting in the way.

    Not necessarily thinking of blocking more to keep them from using him as a lead out man and also to protect them from someone taking out his rear wheel. A rider to the side to prevent getting boxed might also help.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    We need to get this thread to over 14 pages to disprove Iain's theory :lol:
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    One thing I can never work out is why the sprint train doesn't place a rider behind the sprinter to protect his back wheel?

    I've wondered the same many times. I would have thought it a good strategy.

    I think this is viewed as a sign of weakness. I remember it being proposed for Zabel in his Milram days and him saying that the day he needed such a blocker would be the day he gave up.
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  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    So, is it worth wasting an hour to watch this snoozefest on Eurosport tonight or will the final 15 seconds of Youtube suffice?
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    One thing I can never work out is why the sprint train doesn't place a rider behind the sprinter to protect his back wheel?

    I've wondered the same many times. I would have thought it a good strategy.

    I think this is viewed as a sign of weakness. I remember it being proposed for Zabel in his Milram days and him saying that the day he needed such a blocker would be the day he gave up.

    Haha, nice.
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  • jibberjim
    jibberjim Posts: 2,810
    I do love how slow they can ride when they want to - in the 8km or so after Bauer and Farrah stopped chasing they managed to lose over 8 1/2 minutes!
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  • jibberjim
    jibberjim Posts: 2,810
    If the 5second split stands and with Goss and Cavendish now in range of the lead do you think we'll see some more aggression tomorrow to try to get rid of them by the Garmin guys on some of the earlier hills?
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  • ilm_zero7
    ilm_zero7 Posts: 2,213
    LangerDan wrote:
    So, is it worth wasting an hour to watch this snoozefest on Eurosport tonight or will the final 15 seconds of Youtube suffice?
    no watch - the crashes and other strong climbing sprint men getting drop when an injured cavendish stayed with it is well worth watching.
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  • Boy Lard
    Boy Lard Posts: 445
    Well Cav tweeted earlier that Peta and his little one would be at the finish line to meet him, so I guess the cameraman really was getting in his way.
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    lostboysaint wrote:
    I'd argue with it. It's his sprinting ability that's made him famous.

    No-one rattled your cage :P
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    ILM Zero7 wrote:
    LangerDan wrote:
    So, is it worth wasting an hour to watch this snoozefest on Eurosport tonight or will the final 15 seconds of Youtube suffice?
    no watch - the crashes and other strong climbing sprint men getting drop when an injured cavendish stayed with it is well worth watching.

    Thanks, but if thats all the second-best GT has to offer for today, I think I'll look for the 4 Days of Dunkirk or L'Essor Breton on the interweb. :wink:

    (I was going to say I'd go out on my bike but I don't want to do anything rash!)
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    jibberjim wrote:
    I do love how slow they can ride when they want to - in the 8km or so after Bauer and Farrah stopped chasing they managed to lose over 8 1/2 minutes!

    Yep, they looked like me when I blow on a club run and give up!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    afx237vi wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    A lot 'easier' than it first looked on the replay. Goss forced Cav into going early but never looked like getting around him.

    I've never seen anyone 'go round' Cav. A bike length is too much. You need to be ahead of him before the sprint starts to have a shot.

    Greipel in the TDF last year? Or did he go from the front?

    I *think* Cav was on his wheel coming into the final straight.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Impressed that Mark was able to make it over those small climbs at the front of the bunch, when a lot of other sprinters were struggling. Hushovd's nightmare continues and Farrar is a pale shadow.
    I still thought Sky took it up a little early, but Geraint Thomas did fine work at the end of the train.
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  • Simmotino
    Simmotino Posts: 295
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    I *think* Cav was on his wheel coming into the final straight.

    Nope, 'twas the other way round I believe.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Simmotino wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    I *think* Cav was on his wheel coming into the final straight.

    Nope, 'twas the other way round I believe.

    You are very correct.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... fnM#t=259s
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  • Simmotino
    Simmotino Posts: 295
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    You are very correct.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... fnM#t=259s

    I vaguely remembered being sat there last year watching it and proclaiming "...well this one is in the bag.....",

    ....and then being made to look a twunt! :mrgreen:
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I still think by and large it's true. Cav get's dropped off where he needs to be, so you're better off being the wheel ahead than behind...
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  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Net App. Remember they are in this race. Got a pink highlight on their kit for this race.
    Where’s the pink of their kit? You can see in this video where they’ve put pink on their bikes (Simplon bikes - a great make) but I haven’t noticed it on their kit.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tirtyrwSHX4
    Pross wrote:
    Ah, Hunter is still there to cause carnage in the sprint ;)
    I think he stayed up there hoping for the bonification more than the stage victory – he could have taken the Pink. But 4th got him nothing.

    Of sprinters, Demare was 9th today after his 4th place the other day. He has regularly been World or European Champion in the U-19 and U-23 classes over the last few years, but he didn’t figure on RichN95’s chart. On the chart, I think he should be about where Guardini now is (and Guardini slip a little until/unless he manages to do something in the next couple of weeks).
    LangerDan wrote:
    So, is it worth wasting an hour to watch this snoozefest on Eurosport tonight or will the final 15 seconds of Youtube suffice?
    The coastline scenery when they are travelling between Gabicce Mare and Pesaro is well worth watching.

    I suppose to see the strange determination of Liquigas on the road along the same stretch, is worth a glance too, and if you're still hungry, Sky’s train might also worth a brief glance - although it still falls short of Cipo’s trains.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Too early to tell with Demare, same as any neo-pro. He'd be below Guardini though, who does have a lot of wins to his name.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    Awwwww shucks... :)

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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Net App. Remember they are in this race. Got a pink highlight on their kit for this race.

    Paid €400K to get in, allegedly.

    I notice they're listed on the results screen now too, so I guess that's what the money is buying them (and a place in the race)

    Proper stage tomorrow?
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  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    iainf72 wrote:

    Proper stage tomorrow?

    Breakaway of 6 guys all 5 minutes + down on GC, that may or may not be caught by a half hearted bunch?




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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    iainf72 wrote:

    Proper stage tomorrow?

    Certainly top end chipper, at least:
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    Last Kms
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    Interesting stuff in the Giro roadbook:
    First semi-mountain stage. The only level road segments are to be seen upon finish.
    The whole stage features a continuous uphill and downhill route in the middle of the Macerata’s and Fermano’s Apennines valleys, with short and sharp ascents followed by technical descents. The route presents 4 GPM (Cingoli -3a 746 m – km 95.4; Passo della Cappella 2ª m 772 – km 118; Montelupone 3ª m 251 – km 154.7; Montegranaro 3ª m 241 – km 176.5) one of which featuring 4 kilometers of dirt road (Passo della Cappella) with a gradient around 9% and peaks of 15%. The last kilometers run along the Porto Sant’Elpidio hinterland.
    After the crossing of Trodica di Morrovalle the race faces the Montegranaro wall featuring an up to 18% gradient on a narrowed roadway. Broad and fast descent up to Casette d’Ete before climbing the Santa Lucia ascent (gradient up to 15%) and re-enter the Adriatica State Road by a technical descent. One more easy to climb ascent up to Corva to re-enter a second time the State Road at 6 km. At 1,800 meters from the finish two more curves interrupted by an underpass lead to the 1,500 meters long and 7.5 meters wide asphalted home stretch.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
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  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    Aw, she's sooo sweet.
  • Simmotino
    Simmotino Posts: 295
    knedlicky wrote:
    Where’s the pink of their kit?

    The usually green elements have been replaced with pink ones, so a pink stripe down the jersey and around the bottom of the shorts.

    Looks quite good...... for a girl! :lol:
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Remember that Nico Roche quote about having Credit Lyonnais Lions as his stuffed toys?

    That kid's got the cool version.
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