Pro Tour Pundit 2012

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Consider this the official thread for Pro Tour Pundit 2012, the 7th edition of Bikeradar's season-long prediction game.

How to Play

Playing along with PTP is extremely simple - you don't have to sign up or join anything other than the Bikeradar forums. If you're already a member here, that means you're already eligible to play.

A few days before each of the chosen races, a PTP thread will be started in the Pro Race forum. That thread will contain a selection of useful links - start lists, race maps, past winners and so on. All you have to do is consider who you think is likely to win and post their name in that thread. It's that simple. If the race in question is a stage-race, you also get to predict the daily stage winners.

As you play, your scores will be added up and the overall season rankings will be updated in this thread.

2012 Calendar

Some slight changes this year. The Tour of Poland is out, because it clashes with the Tour de France, and there's only ever going to be one winner there. The Olympics are in, men and women, RR and ITT. Also, the season ends with Paris-Tours rather than Lombardy.

Feb    25 - Omloop Het Nieuwsblad
           
Mar     3 - Strade Bianchi
     4-11 - Paris-Nice
     7-13 - Tirreno-Adriatico
       17 - Milan-San Remo
       23 - E3 Prijs Vlaanderen
       25 - Gent-Wevelgem
           
Apr     1 - Tour of Flanders
      2-7 - Tour of the Basque Country
        4 - Scheldeprijs
        8 - Paris-Roubaix
       15 - Amstel Gold Race
       18 - La Fleche Wallone
       22 - Liege-Bastogne-Liege
    24-29 - Tour de Romandie

May  5-27 - Giro d'Italia

Jun  3-10 - Critérium du Dauphiné
     9-17 - Tour de Suisse
    30-22 - Tour de France
    
Jul    28 - Olympic RR (Men)
       29 - Olympic RR (Women)

Aug     1 - Olympic ITT (Women)
        1 - Olympic ITT (Men)
     6-12 - Eneco Tour
       14 - Clasica San Sebastian
     18-9 - Vuelta a Espana
       19 - Vattenfall Cyclassics
       
Sep     7 - GP de Québec
        9 - GP de Montréal
       18 - Worlds ITT (Women)
       19 - Worlds ITT (Men)
       22 - Worlds RR (Women)
       23 - Worlds RR (Men)
       29 - Giro di Lombardia
           
Oct     7 - Paris-Tours

Points System

Same as previous years.

TdF = Tour de France / G/V = Giro/Vuelta / Reg = Regular season

GC and one-day winners:

     TdF | G/V | Reg
---------------------
 1  | 100 | 85  | 50 |
 2  | 75  | 65  | 40 |
 3  | 60  | 50  | 35 |
 4  | 55  | 45  | 30 |
 5  | 50  | 40  | 25 |
 6  | 45  | 35  | 20 |
 7  | 40  | 30  | 15 |
 8  | 35  | 26  | 10 |
 9  | 30  | 22  | 5  |
10 | 25  | 19  | 2  |
11 | 20  | 16  |    |
12 | 15  | 13  |    |
13 | 12  | 11  |    |
14 | 10  | 9   |    |
15 | 8   | 7   |    |
16 | 6   | 5   |    |
17 | 5   | 4   |    |
18 | 4   | 3   |    |
19 | 3   | 2   |    |
20 | 2   | 1   |    |

Stage winners:

    TdF | G/V | Reg
--------------------
 1  | 12 | 10  | 6  |
 2  | 10 |  8  | 5  |
 3  | 8  |  6  | 4  |
 4  | 7  |  5  | 3  |
 5  | 6  |  4  | 2  |
 6  | 5  |  3  | 1  |
 7  | 4  |  2  |    |
 8  | 3  |  1  |    |
 9  | 2  |     |    |
10 | 1  |     |    |

Doping

Points are finalised once the race organisations publishes their results. No adjustments will be made if it later emerges that a rider has failed a drugs test or if a rider has wins retrospectively removed from his palmares.

Prediction Cut-off

For most races, the generally accepted rule is that selections should be in before noon on the day of the race (exceptions made for split-stages, evening prologues etc). No GC selections will be accepted once a stage-race has begun.

Past Winners

Six editions in, no repeat winner. Will that change this year?

2011		                     2010
---------------------------------------------------------
 1.  rozzer32          1534      1. Kléber            1450
 2.  Snorebens         1528      2. andyp             1390
 3.  Richrd2205        1507      3. Snorebens         1380
 4.  jp1985            1473      4. GroupOfOne        1369
 5.  Art Vandelay      1434      5. bring_back_jan    1357
 6.  ShockedSoShocked  1417      6. FJS               1352
 7.  StrawberryFields  1401      7. mididoctors       1311
 8.  andyp             1394      8. The Prodigy       1300
 9.  TheBigBean        1392      9. pb21              1286
10. camerone          1365     10. TakeTheHighRoad   1274

    2009                            2008                 
---------------------------------------------------------
 1.  FJS               1403       1. Richrd2205        977
 2.  andyp             1401       2. thomasmc          922
 3.  Kléber            1388       3. paul27            884
 4.  thomasmc          1364       4. redddragon        873
 5.  Bronzie           1307       5. Bronzie           848
 6.  graham56          1305       6. andyp             837
 7.  mididoctors       1297       7. Greggyr           823
 8.  scwxx77           1287       8. GroupOfOne        816
 9.  alanmcn1          1195       9. scwxx77           814
10. GroupOfOne        1186      10. LangerDan         800

    2007                            2006                 
---------------------------------------------------------
 1.  andyp              723       1. mangaman          817
 2.  andrewgturnbull    687       2. Dave_1            769
 3.  yace               679       3. yace              737
 4.  mangaman           631       4. iainf72           692
 5.  laurence           607       5. Timoid            668
 6.  afx237vi           599       6. andrewgturnbull   665
 7.  Noodley            592       7. MarkM             621
 8.  GroupOfOne         589       8. RichN95           568
 9.  Stephen Sorba      580       9. afx237vi          561
10. Greggyr            573      10. GroupOfOne        549

That's all, have a lucky year and enjoy the cycling!

calvjones

Godsdammit I've missed you and your game Monkey!

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calvjones wrote:

Godsdammit I've missed you and your game Monkey!

I've missed your wacky predictions, Jonesy!

sonny73

Sweet, I was looking forward to this starting again this week good times are here again.

cal_stewart

happy days, shame I won't be seeing again races till april

rozzer32

Yay!!

Game on bitches

ratsbeyfus

I love you.

LeicesterLad

ratsbeyfus wrote:

I love you.

This.

tailwindhome

Really looking forward to this after joining last year after the TDF.

Thanks for all the work in doing this AFX




* goes to persuade CFO that we need a Sky subscription and Eurosport.

fungus_the_muffin_man

I might pop my PTP virginity and see if I can do any good

hommelbier

Looking forward to another season of PTP but can I ask a question please.
If you know you will be away (on holiday) several days before a PTP thread is opened without guaranteed wifi, is there a best way of posting your choices before going away. ie here, by PM or by opening the PTP thread early?

Thanks

takethehighroad

hommelbier wrote:

... is there a best way of posting your choices before going away. ie here, by PM or by opening the PTP thread early?

Thanks

All three work, although by far the easiest is here

andyjr

Excellent news. Am looking forward to trying to improve on last years efforts

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TakeTheHighRoad wrote:

hommelbier wrote:

... is there a best way of posting your choices before going away. ie here, by PM or by opening the PTP thread early?

Thanks

All three work, although by far the easiest is here

Yeah, any of those options is fine.

inkyfingers

This year I am going to destroy you all...

RichN95.

I feel that I, the Cyril Dessel* of Pro Tour Pundit, am due for a big season.


(*A lucky top ten in 2006 against a weaker field and sod all since)

rick_chasey

RichN95 wrote:

I feel that I, the Cyril Dessel* of Pro Tour Pundit, am due for a big season.


(*A lucky top ten in 2006 against a weaker field and sod all since)

Like it.

I'm more of a Leif Hoste. Whinges a lot, noticeable from March to April but still rubbish and totally absent the rest of the season.

LeeBlas

Excellent.....so PTPer's, how do you officially enter this?

LeeBlas

sorry, ignore that... just being dim and over excited!

LeeBlas

rozzer32 wrote:

Yay!!

Game on bitches

That jersey is coming my way rozzer boy!!

timoid.

RichN95 wrote:

I feel that I, the Cyril Dessel* of Pro Tour Pundit, am due for a big season.


(*A lucky top ten in 2006 against a weaker field and sod all since)

You and me both. Just cos I pick by feel and don't use these new fangled scientific methods.

afx237vi

Second year in a row, no-one gets the winner in the season opener.

Overall scores after Het Nieuwsblad

Name           Overall
----------------------------
1     archieboy           40
2     Arkibal             40
3     Art Vandelay        40
4     Benjamin Hall       40
5     BigMat              40
6     Cal_Stewart         40
7     Cheshire_Cat        40
8     ddraver             40
9     dougzz              40
10    FJS                 40
11    frosty99            40
12    Glut4               40
13    hommelbier          40
14    iainf72             40
15    John Matrix         40
16    johnfinch           40
17    mididoctors         40
18    msweens80           40
19    No Ta Doctor        40
20    Noclue              40

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html

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No clear leader after two races. Three-way tie at the top with iain, mididoctors and Omar all on 90 pts.

Overall scores after Strade Bianchi

Name              Overall
-----------------------------
1   iainf72                90
2   mididoctors            90
3   Omar Little            90
4   Greggyr                85
5   Peter_K                85
6   Richrd2205             85
7   Cheshire_Cat           80
8   Arkibal                75
9   Moomaloid              75
10  StrawberryFields       70
11  andyp                  65
12  blazer                 65
13  Dave_1                 50
14  patchy                 50
15  TheStone               50
16  welshmessenger         50
17  archieboy              40
18  Art Vandelay           40
19  Benjamin Hall          40
20  BigMat                 40

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html

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Three races in, we have our first outright leader... mididoctors is the man to beat.

Overall scores after Paris-Nice

Name              Overall
------------------------------
1    mididoctors           156
2    Richrd2205            147
3    Cheshire_Cat          143
4    iainf72               142
5    Greggyr               137
6    blazer                136
7    andyp                 131
8    Moomaloid             127
9    StrawberryFields      126
10   Art Vandelay          113
11   ddraver               112
12   inkyfingers           112
13   ShockedSoShocked      112
14   stfc1                 112
15   johnfinch             111
16   alanjay               108
17   Glut4                 107
18   rozzer32              107
19   Cal_Stewart           106
20   Tusher                106

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html

No_Ta_Doctor

Yay, I'm still in the top half!

ridgerider

Oh yes...early season I know, but already a 2 point lead over arch rival Ms Tree

No_Ta_Doctor

Ridgerider wrote:

Oh yes...early season I know, but already a 2 point lead over arch rival Ms Tree

But she's beating you by 2 points in the PTP Lanterne Rouge.

Richrd2205

This was the race where I lost my lead quite badly last year after EBH dropped out (2nd year running he's dropped out I think). Seems to be going a little better this year...

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Richrd2205 wrote:

This was the race where I lost my lead quite badly last year after EBH dropped out (2nd year running he's dropped out I think). Seems to be going a little better this year...

Evidently, it's the opposite this year. You go into the lead, booting mididoctors off the number 1 spot. Still, very early days yet...

Overall scores after Tirreno-Adriatico

Name           Overall
---------------------------
1    Richrd2205         219
2    blazer             202
3    StrawberryFields   198
4    andyp              196
5    Art Vandelay       185
6    mididoctors        177
7    Noclue             173
8    TheStone           173
9    archieboy          165
10   John Matrix        164
11   victorponf         163
12   LeicesterLad       159
13   Cheshire_Cat       158
14   Greggyr            157
15   FJS                155
16   slimreaper         153
17   iainf72            152
18   Snorebens          152
19   patchy             151
20   ratsbeyfus         143

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html

rick_chasey

Tireno was costly.

inkyfingers

Rick Chasey wrote:

Tireno was costly.

For me too, damn you Cadel!