STAGE 19 SPOILER - let the culling continue
Right then. I'm up at sparrows fart to get nearly a days work in by late morning.
Then a visit to a horsey place near York.
Finally fully installed in front of the box mid afternoon for the Andy Schleck show starring the reduced fat version of the peloton.
Copious cups of tea, hopefully seat edge stuff late afternoon then a couple of cheeky beers early evening to digest it all.
Have a good mornin' Y'all
Then a visit to a horsey place near York.
Finally fully installed in front of the box mid afternoon for the Andy Schleck show starring the reduced fat version of the peloton.
Copious cups of tea, hopefully seat edge stuff late afternoon then a couple of cheeky beers early evening to digest it all.
Have a good mornin' Y'all
Peter
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Today will be Frank's turn to attack from the bottom of AdH. We'll see how well Andy, Cadel and TV have recovered from yesterday's exertions...
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As I said in the other thread...
Andy to attack at the bottom of the Alpe, as many times as he can to try and crack Evans, before Frank launches the killer blow. Not saying it will work, just that I think that will be the plan. The question is how much does Evans have in the tank and whether the 2011 vintage Evans really is that much stronger and smarter than the 2008 Evans.
Contador may also go early to try and salvage a stage win."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
ShinyHelmut wrote:Today will be Frank's turn to attack from the bottom of AdH. We'll see how well Andy, Cadel and TV have recovered from yesterday's exertions...
Could be good!
Agree. Frank attacks. Cadel has to chase. Andy takes another small chunk at the end of the stage. TV finally done.
Frank gets yellow, but not enough to win the tour. Andy gets enough to make the TT close.
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I found it weird yesterday how Bertie and Samu sanchez had a chat and then sort of stopped pushing hard. I wonder if they are going to try a little something today or if they are genuinely fooked..
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Doobz wrote:I found it weird yesterday how Bertie and Samu sanchez had a chat and then sort of stopped pushing hard. I wonder if they are going to try a little something today or if they are genuinely fooked..
They might go for the stage win today but I think they were both properly dropped yesterday."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
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Rolland and Voeckler to up the pace in the Galibier and shed them all in the Alpe.
Rojas to crash out, thinking he's been cheated and he's better than he really is.
Cadel to come second and take the green jersey on exclusion of all the sprinters.
Schlecks to retire and take up commenting for Eurosport 'cos it pays better.
Sweet dreams!!
Reality TV loses yellow in the Alpe for 15 seconds but to who, i wouldn't like to guess. Probably not Contador or Sanchez though.
Question: will Sanchez work for Contador again? It looks slightly less attractive as a paying proposition today.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Doobz wrote:I found it weird yesterday how Bertie and Samu sanchez had a chat and then sort of stopped pushing hard. I wonder if they are going to try a little something today or if they are genuinely fooked..
You don't lose that much time if you're bluffing.
I think he's saying that they realised they weren't strong and to conserve for today0 -
How many are going to crash out going down the Galibier? They are not doing the hairiest bit which is above the tunnels but there is still enough to cause problems. The top of the Lautaret can be deceptive also, if the road surface has got chewed up on the first bends, before the tunnels.0
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mz__jo wrote:How many are going to crash out going down the Galibier? They are not doing the hairiest bit which is above the tunnels but there is still enough to cause problems. The top of the Lautaret can be deceptive also, if the road surface has got chewed up on the first bends, before the tunnels.
Should be fine. They're pretty big roads.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Doobz wrote:I found it weird yesterday how Bertie and Samu sanchez had a chat and then sort of stopped pushing hard. I wonder if they are going to try a little something today or if they are genuinely fooked..
You don't lose that much time if you're bluffing.
Looking knackered and finishing with or just off the back of TV and Evans would have been a sufficient bluff. He's fooked.0 -
Who was the last person to win the green jersery without winning a stage? Will be interesting to see Cav can get up the mountains together. It makes sense for Moviestar to burn up riders who may not make it within the cut today.
Not like Rojas needs a leadout train to finish 6th after all. It's a shame but I can see Cav losing the green jersey today.0 -
Alright, who's going to win polka dot?
Saw some interesting odds for GC:
Outright
23/20
Andy Schleck
13/10
Cadel Evans
7/1
Frank Schleck
18/1
Thomas Voeckler
33/1
Alberto Contador
80/1
Ivan Basso
And for Polka:
EVS
Andy Schleck
17/10
Jelle Vanendert
3/1
Samuel Sanchez
10/1
Frank Schleck
50/1
Jeremy Roy
80/1
Johnny Hoogerland0 -
inkyfingers wrote:As I said in the other thread...
Andy to attack at the bottom of the Alpe, as many times as he can to try and crack Evans, before Frank launches the killer blow. Not saying it will work, just that I think that will be the plan. The question is how much does Evans have in the tank and whether the 2011 vintage Evans really is that much stronger and smarter than the 2008 Evans.
Contador may also go early to try and salvage a stage win.
Why would Andy keep attacking to knacker himself out? He's in the best position of the Schlecks. Surely something similar to yesterday but in reverse. Frank goes for attacks, if he gets away he makes time, if not at least the others are knackered. Allowing Andy to prance away.0 -
RowCycle wrote:inkyfingers wrote:As I said in the other thread...
Andy to attack at the bottom of the Alpe, as many times as he can to try and crack Evans, before Frank launches the killer blow. Not saying it will work, just that I think that will be the plan. The question is how much does Evans have in the tank and whether the 2011 vintage Evans really is that much stronger and smarter than the 2008 Evans.
Contador may also go early to try and salvage a stage win.
Why would Andy keep attacking to knacker himself out? He's in the best position of the Schlecks. Surely something similar to yesterday but in reverse. Frank goes for attacks, if he gets away he makes time, if not at least the others are knackered. Allowing Andy to prance away.
Because Frank will easily lose 3-5 minutes in a TT and Andy will lose 1-2 minutes.0 -
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Possibly but the TT is what we'd call in the UK a 'Hilly 25' so I think it'll be a bit closer than a typical TT, and being so short will keep differences fairly minimalRick Chasey wrote:RowCycle wrote:inkyfingers wrote:As I said in the other thread...
Andy to attack at the bottom of the Alpe, as many times as he can to try and crack Evans, before Frank launches the killer blow. Not saying it will work, just that I think that will be the plan. The question is how much does Evans have in the tank and whether the 2011 vintage Evans really is that much stronger and smarter than the 2008 Evans.
Contador may also go early to try and salvage a stage win.
Why would Andy keep attacking to knacker himself out? He's in the best position of the Schlecks. Surely something similar to yesterday but in reverse. Frank goes for attacks, if he gets away he makes time, if not at least the others are knackered. Allowing Andy to prance away.
Because Frank will easily lose 3-5 minutes in a TT and Andy will lose 1-2 minutes.Cannondale Supersix / CAAD9 / Boardman 9.0 / Benotto 30000 -
evans doesn't have to respond to frank so much
he can let frank go for 1 min or so... 2 would be risking it
giving andy another min would be very unwise
Pierre Roland to ride into white? needs 45 secs? cant time trial thou so RT gets in back tomorrow"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
oscarbudgie wrote:Possibly but the TT is what we'd call in the UK a 'Hilly 25' so I think it'll be a bit closer than a typical TT, and being so short will keep differences fairly minimal
Yeah but in the UK you get people like this, and people go "wow, he's amazing" rather than "get a normal bike and do some proper racing, not weird condom stuff" like they do in the rest of Europe:
42km isn't short.0 -
The KoM competition seems to have completely slipped under the radar, does anyone actually want it?0
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verylonglegs wrote:The KoM competition seems to have coompletely slipped under the radar, does anyone actually want it?
No one really cares about the novelty jerseys.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Because Frank will easily lose 3-5 minutes in a TT and Andy will lose 1-2 minutes.
I'm surprised that everyone seems to be so sure about this. No-one remember 2008? Evans only made up 29 seconds on Sastre in the final TT when he was widley expected to take the lead. Similarly last year when Contador only increased his lead by 31 seconds over a 52km course.0 -
Both schlecks and Evans to crack to crack on the Gallibier, Tommy, Contador, Sanchez to dance away gaining 40 minutes into Huez, Tommy to get dropped on the climb, Contador to Write a massive cheque to Sanchez 1km from the summit, Contador wins overall, Schlecks Finish 30 minutes off the back, Evans arrested for violent conduct after smashing the sh*t out of a cameraman, knowing his tour is over. Contador pedals round the TT like he's on a rest day ride, and beats both Schlecks for the overall by 29 minutes.0
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Here's the CQ stats for the only times these 3 have met in a 3rd week GT time trial:Rick Chasey wrote:Because Frank will easily lose 3-5 minutes in a TT and Andy will lose 1-2 minutes.
TdF09 - St.18 - 41km rolling
12. Evans +1-14
21. Andy +1-45 (+0-31)
34. Frank +2-34 (+1-20)
TdF08 - St.20 - 53km rolling
6. Evans +1-44
28. Andy +3-41 (+1-57)
51. Frank +5-17 (+3-33)
TdF07 - St.19 - 56km fairly flat
2. Evans +0-51
36. Frank +5-18 (+4-27)
Tdf06 - St.19 - 57km
7. Evans +3-41
30. Frank +5-39 (+1-58 )
I'd suggest the 2009 result indicates it might be a lot closer this year than your figures Rick0 -
Do Cunego and Basso get on?
We saw Berty and Samu working together
I recon those two (C/B) might go for it...'Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'0 -
Bronzie wrote:
Here's the CQ stats for the only times these 3 have met in a 3rd week GT time trial:Rick Chasey wrote:Because Frank will easily lose 3-5 minutes in a TT and Andy will lose 1-2 minutes.
TdF09 - St.18 - 41km rolling
12. Evans +1-14
21. Andy +1-45 (+0-31)
34. Frank +2-34 (+1-20)
TdF08 - St.20 - 53km rolling
6. Evans +1-44
28. Andy +3-41 (+1-57)
51. Frank +5-17 (+3-33)
TdF07 - St.19 - 56km fairly flat
2. Evans +0-51
36. Frank +5-18 (+4-27)
Tdf06 - St.19 - 57km
7. Evans +3-41
30. Frank +5-39 (+1-58 )
I'd suggest the 2009 result indicates it might be a lot closer this year than your figures Rick
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iainf72 wrote:verylonglegs wrote:The KoM competition seems to have coompletely slipped under the radar, does anyone actually want it?
No one really cares about the novelty jerseys.
Gilbert, Rojas and Cavendish seem to care about green.
I'd say that the green jersey makeover has been a big success in making this a more interesting competition, however the KOTM changes have been a wash out. By taking it out of the reach of the breakaway/KOTM specialists like Moncoutie they have simply turned it into a non event as the guys who can now win it (the GC contenders) don't actually care about it. By leaving it open to a wider field it may not be won by the best climber in the race, but you will at least get a battle between guys who want to win it rather than it actually arriving on the back of a GC contender as a little bonus."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
You have to be very careful comparing TT results, It only works if both the riders were riding to win the race. Guys who don't normally TT well can pull out surprisingly good results when they have a shot at winning the race overall, Sastre 2008 being the best, but not the only example."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0
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josame wrote:Do Cunego and Basso get on?
We saw Berty and Samu working together
I recon those two (C/B) might go for it...
Basso will want to overhaul Cunego, so I can't see him working with him though.
But I wouldn't be surprised to see Basso crank it up today and try and get a stage or something.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:josame wrote:Do Cunego and Basso get on?
We saw Berty and Samu working together
I recon those two (C/B) might go for it...
Basso will want to overhaul Cunego, so I can't see him working with him though.
But I wouldn't be surprised to see Basso crank it up today and try and get a stage or something.
If he can
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