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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    .....and cue coronymede with another breathtakingly stupid comment!!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,821
    The damned frenchies changed it on me!

    The number of riders outside the time cut was bigger than the number inside the cut, with 88 out vs 80 in.

    Cue lots of cries of "That Schleck boy just pedals too bloody fast for my liking!"
  • lostboysaint
    lostboysaint Posts: 4,250
    Hey FF, come out come out wherever you are!!

    Gotta be able to take it as well as dish it out!
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  • sing_for_absolution
    sing_for_absolution Posts: 1,908
    ddraver wrote:
    .....and cue coronymede with another breathtakingly stupid comment!!

    I'll be shocked if that's the case. His idol Thor finished in the same group mwahaha 8)
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Tomorrow the cut of is likely to be less than 20 minutes. Cav needs to cling to Rojas. 20 point deduction tomorrow would see him 5 points behind ignoring the intermediate sprint. He'd then need to probably win on Sunday. How is it sorted if riders finish level? I assume it is on stage wins?
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,821
    Pross wrote:
    Tomorrow the cut of is likely to be less than 20 minutes. Cav needs to cling to Rojas. 20 point deduction tomorrow would see him 5 points behind ignoring the intermediate sprint. He'd then need to probably win on Sunday. How is it sorted if riders finish level? I assume it is on stage wins?

    Easier said than done lol

    It all depends on the way they race the Galibier. The killer today came from the fact they blitzed up the Agnel and the sprinters were dropped 7km from the top
  • camerone
    camerone Posts: 1,232
    have a little look where Gilbert finished today. I wonder if he will be spouting off about trying to get Cav eliminated again. berk
  • camerone
    camerone Posts: 1,232
    oh an G finished 7.30 down on winner, one place in front of Uran who he nursed up the climb, really good effort that
  • mz__jo
    mz__jo Posts: 398
    The confirmation on France 2 was that Cav lost 20 points for being "hors delai". He remarked to Gerald Holz that they had had information on the Lautaret that was not accurate and thought they had more time than was the case. Rojas was in the allowed delay so he did not lose any points. Cav has the jersey for 15 points. It should go to the Champs before being decided. I thought that there were only 40 (the second grupetto) who were outside, the first group crossed about a minute inside but it could be my deafness letting me down. They had to repechage, there were 4 from Europcar outside the delay. I think Chavanel was also outside. France rules OK!
    One of the most impressive things was the state of freshness of Geraint Thomas at the finish. If he had not been nursemaiding Uran he could have finished not far off Vanendert and Contadour. Not bad for a non-climber. Perhaps he adapts better than most to altitude
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  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    Basso without a blood transfusion=wheelsucker. He should have come to the front and had a go. It was so unfair to leave that to Evans. Still we will end up with a Fuentes client winning or a rider who has never been a half decent climber win the TDF. Today was a lousy day at TDF.
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  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    At risk of repeating what everyone else has said, that was brilliant!
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    sing_for_absolution wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    .....and cue coronymede with another breathtakingly stupid comment!!

    I'll be shocked if that's the case. His idol Thor finished in the same group mwahaha 8)

    I'm sorry SfA, can you ever recall reality getting in the way of his posts?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • sing_for_absolution
    sing_for_absolution Posts: 1,908
    ddraver wrote:
    sing_for_absolution wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    .....and cue coronymede with another breathtakingly stupid comment!!

    I'll be shocked if that's the case. His idol Thor finished in the same group mwahaha 8)

    I'm sorry SfA, can you ever recall reality getting in the way of his posts?

    I clung to the hope it might. Clearly this has never been the case? :lol:
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    Dude this is the guy that accused Cavo f being a sociopath, presumable he's picked up a few tips having spent so much time in Psych wards himself - reality to him is like Neverland is to us!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • sing_for_absolution
    sing_for_absolution Posts: 1,908
    ddraver wrote:
    Dude this is the guy that accused Cavo f being a sociopath, presumable he's picked up a few tips having spent so much time in Psych wards himself - reality to him is like Neverland is to us!

    Oh yeah I saw that post. Proper detailed wasn't it? I thought it was just tongue-in-cheek :shock:

    What on earth's happened to Levi and Radioshack in general? Ok, proper unlucky with crashes, but I don't hear Sherwin telling them they should've been in the first 30 of the peloton where you'll never ever crash?
  • deal
    deal Posts: 857
    sing_for_absolution wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    Dude this is the guy that accused Cavo f being a sociopath, presumable he's picked up a few tips having spent so much time in Psych wards himself - reality to him is like Neverland is to us!

    Oh yeah I saw that post. Proper detailed wasn't it? I thought it was just tongue-in-cheek :shock:

    What on earth's happened to Levi and Radioshack in general? Ok, proper unlucky with crashes, but I don't hear Sherwin telling them they should've been in the first 30 of the peloton where you'll never ever crash?

    Too many eyes on them to properly prepare.
  • camerone
    camerone Posts: 1,232
    mz__jo wrote:
    The confirmation on France 2 was that Cav lost 20 points for being "hors delai". He remarked to Gerald Holz that they had had information on the Lautaret that was not accurate and thought they had more time than was the case. Rojas was in the allowed delay so he did not lose any points. Cav has the jersey for 15 points. It should go to the Champs before being decided. I thought that there were only 40 (the second grupetto) who were outside, the first group crossed about a minute inside but it could be my deafness letting me down. They had to repechage, there were 4 from Europcar outside the delay. I think Chavanel was also outside. France rules OK!
    One of the most impressive things was the state of freshness of Geraint Thomas at the finish. If he had not been nursemaiding Uran he could have finished not far off Vanendert and Contadour. Not bad for a non-climber. Perhaps he adapts better than most to altitude

    88 riders outside limit. inc Cav, Cancellara, chavanel, Hushovd, Millar, Gilbert.

    agree about Geraint.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Dave_1 wrote:
    Basso without a blood transfusion=wheelsucker. He should have come to the front and had a go. It was so unfair to leave that to Evans. Still we will end up with a Fuentes client winning or a rider who has never been a half decent climber win the TDF. Today was a lousy day at TDF.

    Always nice to get your alternative viewpoint, Dave.
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  • mz__jo
    mz__jo Posts: 398
    Interesting looking at the results if the riders had been excluded:

    Points 1: Rojas, 2: Cadel Evans, 3:Franck Schleck; 4:Sanchez; 5:Contadour; 6:Voeckler.

    Riders lost: Cofidis 7; HTC, SAUR & Liquigas 6; Europcar, FdJ, Lotto, Lampre, Sky 5; Movistar 4.

    Expect lots of griping from Movistar; the three lost from Garmin are Millar, Farrar and Hushovd
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  • gabriel959
    gabriel959 Posts: 4,227
    I think Rojas might try to get in a break tomorrow to pick some of the points and hope for Cav losing points again... it could spice things up a lot for the Champs!
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Gazzaputt wrote:
    davelakers wrote:
    Floyd Landis
    Ricardo Ricco
    Andy Schleck???

    I'd bet my house on Schleck being clean.

    Really?

    Don't forget what Gibo and the blood tests (allegedly) said in that Giro....
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Dave_1 wrote:
    Basso without a blood transfusion=wheelsucker. He should have come to the front and had a go. It was so unfair to leave that to Evans. Still we will end up with a Fuentes client winning or a rider who has never been a half decent climber win the TDF. Today was a lousy day at TDF.

    Always nice to get your alternative viewpoint, Dave.

    Sorry Blaze..really want Evans to win. Was still trying not to throw something at the TV there. Basso just seemed to hang in there..CE did the graft. Have cooled down now. But who wants a Schlek win?
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    Me!!!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    iainf72 wrote:
    Gazzaputt wrote:
    davelakers wrote:
    Floyd Landis
    Ricardo Ricco
    Andy Schleck???

    I'd bet my house on Schleck being clean.

    Really?

    Don't forget what Gibo and the blood tests (allegedly) said in that Giro....

    And what did Gibo and the blood test (allegedly) say in that Giro?
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    Dave_1 wrote:
    Basso without a blood transfusion=wheelsucker. He should have come to the front and had a go. It was so unfair to leave that to Evans. Still we will end up with a Fuentes client winning or a rider who has never been a half decent climber win the TDF. Today was a lousy day at TDF.

    Andy Schleck a Fuentes client?
  • bazbadger
    bazbadger Posts: 553
    Well, what a stage. Humble pie consumed. Well done Andy -big time.

    And Cadel, Voeckler owes you a beer or two.

    This is turning out to be an epic Tour.
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  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    FFS ... It's not hard to sort out ... Just don't allow anyone in either the points or mountains classification to keep ANY of their points if they miss the cut ... Cav can ride to Paris and win on TCE but not win green ... It's just plain cheating to be dq'd fair and square and then allowed to win a classification ...

    I'm no Cav fan or hater ... Just looking for fair play to guys like Rojas who put in a shift ... Any less deserving of his jersey than TV?
  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    Crankbrother wrote:
    FFS ... It's not hard to sort out ... Just don't allow anyone in either the points or mountains classification to keep ANY of their points if they miss the cut ... Cav can ride to Paris and win on TCE but not win green ... It's just plain cheating to be dq'd fair and square and then allowed to win a classification ...

    I'm no Cav fan or hater ... Just looking for fair play to guys like Rojas who put in a shift ... Any less deserving of his jersey than TV?

    Apart from the no DQ being perfectly within the rules.
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  • mz__jo
    mz__jo Posts: 398
    Crankbrother wrote:
    FFS ... It's not hard to sort out ... Just don't allow anyone in either the points or mountains classification to keep ANY of their points if they miss the cut ... Cav can ride to Paris and win on TCE but not win green ... It's just plain cheating to be dq'd fair and square and then allowed to win a classification ...

    I'm no Cav fan or hater ... Just looking for fair play to guys like Rojas who put in a shift ... Any less deserving of his jersey than TV?

    +1.

    Except that I think that they should finish the Tour to get anything at all and that the cut-offs should be inviolable - no repechage. It would make teams and Tour management face up to the reality of the somewhat farcical situation that exists at present. And if they have to change the delays to make the thing work, and end the reign of the sprinters' teams on the flat stages it will probably improve the quality of the race (although not everyone would agree with me)
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  • deal
    deal Posts: 857
    20 points doesnt seem harsh enough but rules is rules.

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