oh no! its the ligget and sherwen show.

pedro118118

Paul and Phil hit new hights yesterday, highlighting the battling performance of one of the
"...aaahjaydeuxerr..." riders. Or AG2R to the rest of us.........classic! I think they're quite funny, in an Alan Partridge-type way.

RichN95.

pedro118118 wrote:

Paul and Phil hit new hights yesterday, highlighting the battling performance of one of the
"...aaahjaydeuxerr..." riders. Or AG2R to the rest of us.........classic! I think they're quite funny, in an Alan Partridge-type way.

They're a French team and a French sponsor - that's how it's pronounced

pb21

RichN95 wrote:

pedro118118 wrote:

Paul and Phil hit new hights yesterday, highlighting the battling performance of one of the
"...aaahjaydeuxerr..." riders. Or AG2R to the rest of us.........classic! I think they're quite funny, in an Alan Partridge-type way.

They're a French team and a French sponsor - that's how it's pronounced

Quite, a lot of this Phil and Paul bashing is ignorant at worst and disrespectful at best.

sing_for_absolution

pb21 wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

pedro118118 wrote:

Paul and Phil hit new hights yesterday, highlighting the battling performance of one of the
"...aaahjaydeuxerr..." riders. Or AG2R to the rest of us.........classic! I think they're quite funny, in an Alan Partridge-type way.

They're a French team and a French sponsor - that's how it's pronounced

Quite, a lot of this Phil and Paul bashing is ignorant at worst and disrespectful at best.

So explain to me why, during their live commentary today, they decided to ignore who crossed the line first today and instead babble about how amazing Thor is? Oh Thor..THOR!!!

Oh and mistaking Uran for EBH :lol

Maybe I'll just get Eurosport

jim453

sing_for_absolution wrote:

pb21 wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

pedro118118 wrote:

Paul and Phil hit new hights yesterday, highlighting the battling performance of one of the
"...aaahjaydeuxerr..." riders. Or AG2R to the rest of us.........classic! I think they're quite funny, in an Alan Partridge-type way.

They're a French team and a French sponsor - that's how it's pronounced

Quite, a lot of this Phil and Paul bashing is ignorant at worst and disrespectful at best.

So explain to me why, during their live commentary today, they decided to ignore who crossed the line first today and instead babble about how amazing Thor is? Oh Thor..THOR!!!

Oh and mistaking Uran for EBH :lol

Maybe I'll just get Eurosport

Did you mean eooooooreuxsport?

ronron

ligget is a hoot...crazy old man lol.

drewfromrisca

The U.S. coverage with Versus has these two on & they spend more time talking about history, sponsors, than the actual race!!! Its been one of the worst things about moving over here not having eurosport! I'm thinking of watching race on laptop on a stream tomorrow instead of the 30 bloody inch HD tv cos of the awful coverage!

emadden

GeorgeShaw wrote:

Which one was the idiot that said that French department numbers start at 1 in Paris and spiral up from there?

That would've been Kirby on Eurosport during stage 3. But cross-over comments are permitted seeing that Eurosport have started to use a snippet of Liggets commentary in their new "All Season Long" cycling advert (note: Commentary on short clip of Nuyens winning the Ronde)

disgruntledgoat

"sammy" sanchez is the one that gets me every time. Has anyone ever, in his life, called him Sammy prior to those two?

Of course they haven't. He's Basque.

DF33

I do understand that they are pronouncing the French names phonetically French as that is how they are correctly said.

But they are commentating for an English speaking audience who world famously and lazily don't bother to learn a second language.

Take Michelin for example, who sell £millions in the UK. It is pronounced Miishelaa. However the French company Michelin are astute enough to know that we dumbos don't like that and don't understand it so make sure their millions of advertising over here pronounce it Miichelin for us.

So if Pinky and Perky want to be correct why do they constantly refer to Paris as, err, Paris and not Parii as the French pronounce it?

The reason for my gripe is that they seem to choose when to be all educated and French speaking and correct and in the same sentence then pronounce English French.

It's one thing to pronounce 'Lay o pard' because the team has specifically sent out an 'artist formerly known as prince' type statement but to pronounce AG2R the French way is ridiculous. How many Rosbiffs know a G is pr jay and a J pr ghee in froggie?

it's this same blind attitude that gets them into trouble with the brit speaking punters over all their commentating blunders as they seem to commentate for themselves, not the target audience watching them.

pedro118118

pb21 wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

pedro118118 wrote:

Paul and Phil hit new hights yesterday, highlighting the battling performance of one of the
"...aaahjaydeuxerr..." riders. Or AG2R to the rest of us.........classic! I think they're quite funny, in an Alan Partridge-type way.

They're a French team and a French sponsor - that's how it's pronounced

Quite, a lot of this Phil and Paul bashing is ignorant at worst and disrespectful at best.

Yes......all very PC..................but if you read my post, you will see I was congratulating them on a "classic" piece of broadcasting.

RichN95.

DF33 wrote:

I do understand that they are pronouncing the French names phonetically French as that is how they are correctly said.

But they are commentating for an English speaking audience who world famously and lazily don't bother to learn a second language.

Take Michelin for example, who sell £millions in the UK. It is pronounced Miishelaa. However the French company Michelin are astute enough to know that we dumbos don't like that and don't understand it so make sure their millions of advertising over here pronounce it Miichelin for us.

So if Pinky and Perky want to be correct why do they constantly refer to Paris as, err, Paris and not Parii as the French pronounce it?

The reason for my gripe is that they seem to choose when to be all educated and French speaking and correct and in the same sentence then pronounce English French.

It's one thing to pronounce 'Lay o pard' because the team has specifically sent out an 'artist formerly known as prince' type statement but to pronounce AG2R the French way is ridiculous. How many Rosbiffs know a G is pr jay and a J pr ghee in froggie?

it's this same blind attitude that gets them into trouble with the brit speaking punters over all their commentating blunders as they seem to commentate for themselves, not the target audience watching them.

So now they're being criticised for being correct but not dumbing down enough. If they said Gilbert like 'Gilbert & Sullivan', would that satisfy you or would you say how terrible it all was.

Say a name incorrectly they get criticised. Say a name correctly, they get criticised.

As far as I'm concerned, sitting in front of the TV waiting for a 'mistake' in two hours of their commentary in order to bleat about it on the internet to me just smacks of people who seem a little desperate to show that they're a 'real fan'.

(I prefer Harmon & Kelly but that's just a style and content issue. I don't feel the need to bang on about it).

squired

When it comes to naming riders I think Dave Harmon is hard to beat. Phil and Paul seem to guess based on who they assume would be at the front. For example, I'm pretty sure that as Cadel was heading up to get his victory yesterday they identified the Sky rider as EBH.

I guess one thing we have to remember is that it is easy for us sitting at home watching HD feeds on our big screen tvs. These guys are probably looking at tiny monitors with non-hd images, surrounded by noise, etc. Mind you, the Eurosport guys seem to handle it fine.

MrChuck

For me they are the voices of the TdF from when I first started watching it however many years ago so I have a bit of a soft spot for them, cliches and all. That said I have started watching a bit more of Harmon and Kelly lately.

Picking them up on pronunciation of team names I think says more about the ignorance of the nit-pickers than it does about Sherwin and Ligget. If they're talking about a foreign team I don't see what's wrong with pronouncing the name accordingly, I think most people will get it.

Favourite from yesterday though, something like: "Don't expect any more attacks- and here comes another attack!"

Spiny_Norman

squired wrote:

When it comes to naming riders I think Dave Harmon is hard to beat. Phil and Paul seem to guess based on who they assume would be at the front. For example, I'm pretty sure that as Cadel was heading up to get his victory yesterday they identified the Sky rider as EBH.

They did. At least twice in the last few kms. But despite that and their inability to read a clock in the TTT, we seem to have been very short of classic Phil & Paul cliches so far. Yesterday, they even referred to George Hincapie without the customary honorific "Big".

rick_chasey

Spiny_Norman wrote:

squired wrote:

When it comes to naming riders I think Dave Harmon is hard to beat. Phil and Paul seem to guess based on who they assume would be at the front. For example, I'm pretty sure that as Cadel was heading up to get his victory yesterday they identified the Sky rider as EBH.

They did. At least twice in the last few kms. But despite that and their inability to read a clock in the TTT, we seem to have been very short of classic Phil & Paul cliches so far. Yesterday, they even referred to George Hincapie without the customary honorific "Big".

They tend to come into the mountains, where the Heads of State rub shoulders with mountain goats, and leave the big riders from Belgium, and big George Hincape (teammate of 7 times winner, Lance Armstrong) in the 'autobus', a group of big riders at the back of the race away from the TV cameras, but that's ok, because unlike someone like Contador, they aren't interested in the yellow jersey, they're just there to make it within the time limit so they can survive and be a professional bike rider the next day in the world's biggest bike race.

Or something like that. I can't do the intonation on here but I'm sure you could put it in for yourself.

avoidingmyphd

it must have been a whole job of work crafting that post rick.

calvjones

They do a very difficult job fairly poorly.

But they know which side their bread is buttered, I'll give 'em that.

rick_chasey

avoidingmyphd wrote:

it must have been a whole job of work crafting that post rick.

Girlfriend prefers the ITV4, and given she's putting up with a lot of cycling for 3 weeks, (and me chuckling along to Dutch post-stage coverage which she can't understand), I'll leave ITV4 on.

Means I have their distinct style rolling around my head like a snooker ball, bouncing off the sides of my skull.

DF33

[/quote]So now they're being criticised for being correct but not dumbing down enough. [/quote]

If it's good enough for the BBC news.......

Ben6899

sing_for_absolution wrote:

pb21 wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

pedro118118 wrote:

Paul and Phil hit new hights yesterday, highlighting the battling performance of one of the
"...aaahjaydeuxerr..." riders. Or AG2R to the rest of us.........classic! I think they're quite funny, in an Alan Partridge-type way.

They're a French team and a French sponsor - that's how it's pronounced

Quite, a lot of this Phil and Paul bashing is ignorant at worst and disrespectful at best.

So explain to me why, during their live commentary today, they decided to ignore who crossed the line first today and instead babble about how amazing Thor is? Oh Thor..THOR!!!

Because - to be fair - the fact that Thor Hushovd hung on for a zero split on the Mur (and hence the Maillot Jaune) is far more critical to the overall race than whose tyre (Evans' or Contador's) crossed the Stage 4 line first.

sparkins1972

I am more than happy to put up with their innacuracies from time to time. I would much prefer to have 2 people who genuinely love their sport rather than some generic commentators seen in many sport broadcasts these days. In many ways they add to the event with their little non sequiturs and tangents in the same way that Peter Allis makes golf watchable and Henry Blofeld lightens up TMS on Radio 4. A dying breed of old school commentators

ddraver

drewfromrisca wrote:

The U.S. coverage with Versus has these two on & they spend more time talking about history, sponsors, than the actual race!!! Its been one of the worst things about moving over here not having eurosport! I'm thinking of watching race on laptop on a stream tomorrow instead of the 30 bloody inch HD tv cos of the awful coverage!

Be a proper expat and have the coverage on the TV with thye English ES stream on the computer - that way you have the extra joy of watching images that are anything from 5 seconds to a minite aheadof the commentry!

(I find it best to switch back to the Telly for the last few kms though as the mismatch in timings then starts to confuse me too much, even if i can't understand the Dutch (in my case))

avoidingmyphd

sparkins1972 wrote:

I am more than happy to put up with their innacuracies from time to time. I would much prefer to have 2 people who genuinely love their sport rather than some generic commentators seen in many sport broadcasts these days. In many ways they add to the event with their little non sequiturs and tangents in the same way that Peter Allis makes golf watchable and Henry Blofeld lightens up TMS on Radio 4. A dying breed of old school commentators

It being inconveivable that there is anyone who loves cycling and is competent to commentate?

sparkins1972

avoidingmyphd wrote:

sparkins1972 wrote:

I am more than happy to put up with their innacuracies from time to time. I would much prefer to have 2 people who genuinely love their sport rather than some generic commentators seen in many sport broadcasts these days. In many ways they add to the event with their little non sequiturs and tangents in the same way that Peter Allis makes golf watchable and Henry Blofeld lightens up TMS on Radio 4. A dying breed of old school commentators

It being inconveivable that there is anyone who loves cycling and is competent to commentate?

Not in the least - I just don't get wound up by their failings as some do.

PhilofCas

well I think they're spot on!, really think it's a good show overall, a good summary of the days stage

CrackFox

DF33 wrote:

How many Rosbiffs know a G is pr jay and a J pr ghee in froggie?

Not me. What is the correct pronunciation of 'Jeremy Roy' then? Gheremee Wah? I'm hearing something like Shermy Wah, Shammy Wah or Sham Wow.

Monty Zoncolan

I've settled into a nice pattern of:

Eurosport - for the actual racing and more informative commentary; then

ITV highlights - for the little reportage pieces, and the nostalgia factor

Thankfully my good lady wife has become converted (although she did it to me with test match cricket).

narbs

CrackFox wrote:

Not me. What is the correct pronunciation of 'Jeremy Roy' then? Gheremee Wah? I'm hearing something like Shermy Wah, Shammy Wah or Sham Wow.

It's a better effort that the idiot on BBC Breakfast this morning, who had Gerayant Thomas and Edwald Boo-arse-en Haygen. Did very well with Bradley Wiggins though, fair play.

Slimbods

Annoying finish to Thursdays stage with Smashey and Nicey on ITV. Ligget exclaiming that EBH was racing team mate Thomas for the win, like the whole concept of lead out's is limited to HTC only or something?