Tour De France 2011 - The Commuters Spolier Thread

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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    I'd really like Voeckler to win
  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    Greg66 wrote:
    The live coverage has started on ITV4. They kicked off with some interviews with the leaders after yesterday's stage.

    Cadel's line was (basically): We'll have to look at the figures. Because Andy was outrunning nine of us into a headwind. That's pretty strange.

    He could have raised his eyebrows, and done a pretend injection motion into his arm with his thumb and first two fingers, and still been less obvious than he was.

    Classic.

    I'm having bad flashbacks watching Tommy suffer like this. It looks and feels like a big chuffin' mountain when you're on it.
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  • jzed
    jzed Posts: 2,926
    Contador going to go on the top ramps? Or work to the bottom of the Alpe.
  • jzed
    jzed Posts: 2,926
    They're cheating - why they not going over the top?
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    OK

    1
    Me wrote:
    I reckon we are going to see more of the same as yesterday.

    Evans frustrates me because he won't attack. He is however, a great chase man and in that I'm starting to see his strengths. He is a great chase man.

    Look at history (coming from me 'heh') and the past two stages. Evans has proven not to have an explosive turn of speed like the Schlecks and Contadaor. When directly battling he too susceptible to being broken. Why? Cadel isn't great at explosive turns of speed - like Contador and the Schleck's. He can't keep attacking then resting and then attacking it uses up too much energy.

    What Cadel looks to be great at (which in this Tour Andy and Contador are proving not to be) is building up to a high pace and turning that big gear for the remainder of the race. This is evident from yesterday and the day before. Cadel is that old guy on your commute who can't and won't sprint or explode in a fury of speed but can manage to get the bike up to 24.6mph in all conditions, up any hill and keep it there until you've been spat out the back.

    I could see the Schleck's and/or Contador, attacking like crazy, building a sizable lead and winning the stage. Only for Cadel - who didn't go with the attack immediately - to chase, ride them down the time gap. Just as he did yesterday and the day before.

    It seems to work.

    I'm right

    2

    Cadel is not chasing Bertie and Schleck he is riding away from Voeckler.

    As it stands Schleck will have a 46sec advantage on Cadel in the TT, will that be enough?

    I'm not sure what Contador is doing.

    A Schleck is a fool, he is still racing Contador when he should be racing Cadel.
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  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    Evans will catch AS and Bertie before the bottom of the Alpe, I reckon.

    And then he will suffer some serious pain on the climb.

    The person who's worked least in the lead group is AS.

    FS may be weak today, but if not, he's done very little in the chase group.

    I could see TV coming home in the autobus at this rate, poor bastard.
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  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    Evans should just sit in for the few kms to the Alpe.
    FCN 2-4.

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    "It stays down, Daddy."
    "Exactly."
  • jzed
    jzed Posts: 2,926
    edited July 2011
    Reckon we're going to see a lot of pain on Voeckler's face going up the Alpe.

    Lets see whether the KW top survived.

    They should Taser the idiots who get in the way of the riders.

    ITV - why cut to a break on the best bit - what was wrong with the bottom of the Valley
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    This is all too much.

    They are all together and one final climb:

    Does Contador go retard through the pain barrier and puts 3.20min's on this last climb or does he accept defeat?

    Does ASchleck grow a pair and go retard knowing that he ain't go what it takes to defeat Cadel in the TT?

    Now that TV Voeckler has caught up does he go apesh*t crazy and ride himself into full-time retirement with one last attack and potentially winning the Yellow jumper? Or does he continue graciously knowing he is spend (better to burn out than fade away).

    Does Frank Schleck - who is in now more a desperate position than ASchleck - attack for the sake of it and the 'hope'?

    Does Cadel - who actually has to do nothing except keep the times exactly - do nothing but keep the pace and ride down any escapees as he has done for the past 3 days (including this one) as I pointed out in my post earlier.

    I'm loving it.

    Right now I'd want to be Cadel. That said being in Voeckler's shoes is probably more fun if he can manage one last do or die glorious attack.
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  • suzyb
    suzyb Posts: 3,449
    Would like to see Roland get the win today. He's done a lot of work for Voeckler and it would be nice if he got some glory for himself.
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  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    Agreed
    FCN 2-4.

    "What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
    "It stays down, Daddy."
    "Exactly."
  • jzed
    jzed Posts: 2,926
    edited July 2011
    Voeckler has to lock on the Andy Schleck (not sure how far back he is) and keep within a minute of Evans. Contador surely has too much to do to take yellow.
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    OK quick facts, what is the most realistic time Cadel and Contador will put into ASchleck during the TT tomorrow:

    10secs
    30secs
    1min

    ???

    Right now I'm thinking Cadel should back off just a bit and save it for tomorrow. Not sure what Contador is doing he either attacks and attacks hard as he needs to put about 2mins into Andy and Cadel. That would be interesting if that was the outcome for tomorrow.
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  • suzyb
    suzyb Posts: 3,449
    Doesn't look like it will happen though. But ITV went to a chuffing advert just as Bertie caught the leaders so who knows wtf is going on now :evil:
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  • jzed
    jzed Posts: 2,926
    suzyb wrote:
    Doesn't look like it will happen though. But ITV went to a chuffing advert just as Bertie caught the leaders so who knows wtf is going on now :evil:

    It will be over by the time they get back to it.

    EDIT - get on with it you f*&^ers
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Contador is going for the stage. He might just put enough into it to be an outside bet for the Yellow come tomorrow. I think he is +40s he needs a min or two added to that though.

    Who reckons these guys will be racing in Paris to decide this thing!

    Unless Schleck attacks at some point he'll lose this at the TT but Cadel is marking him too well.
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  • suzyb
    suzyb Posts: 3,449
    Go on Roland!!
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  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    Heh heh. Love it.
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    "It stays down, Daddy."
    "Exactly."
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Someone answer my question!

    Can Evans actually put 58secs+ into ASchleck during the TT?

    How much time could Contador realistically put into ASchleck during the TT?
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    A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game
  • jzed
    jzed Posts: 2,926
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Someone answer my question!

    Can Evans actually put 58secs+ into ASchleck during the TT?

    How much time could Contador realistically put into ASchleck during the TT?

    Stolen from another thread
    Bronzie wrote:
    Here's the CQ stats for the only times these 3 have met in a 3rd week GT time trial:

    TdF09 - St.18 - 41km rolling
    12. Evans +1-14
    21. Andy +1-45 (+0-31)
    34. Frank +2-34 (+1-20)

    TdF08 - St.20 - 53km rolling
    6. Evans +1-44
    28. Andy +3-41 (+1-57)
    51. Frank +5-17 (+3-33)

    TdF07 - St.19 - 56km fairly flat
    2. Evans +0-51
    36. Frank +5-18 (+4-27)

    Tdf06 - St.19 - 57km
    7. Evans +3-41
    30. Frank +5-39 (+1-58 )

    I'd suggest the 2009 result indicates it might be a lot closer this year than your figures Rick
  • pitchshifter
    pitchshifter Posts: 1,476
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Someone answer my question!

    Can Evans actually put 58secs+ into ASchleck during the TT?

    How much time could Contador realistically put into ASchleck during the TT?

    Bit of an unknown, but if the Dauphine is anything to go by (same timetrial)...

    Evans 56' 47"

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    I seem to remember both schlecks clinging on for dear life on the TTT.
  • suzyb
    suzyb Posts: 3,449
    edited July 2011
    tick, tick, tick still no sign of Cav :?

    Fingers crossed Rojas (and a load of other riders) is in the autobus as well.

    -e- Holy crap that was close, ~25secs over. Now where's Rojas.
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Tomorrow is going to be tense for Schleck and Cadel.
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  • jzed
    jzed Posts: 2,926
    Rojas same group apparently
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    If Cadel cocks this up he's ghey.
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  • suzyb
    suzyb Posts: 3,449
    JZed wrote:
    Rojas same group apparently
    Yeah just got to see the presentation before I had to go for dinner.
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  • blkmcs
    blkmcs Posts: 14
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Someone answer my question!

    Can Evans actually put 58secs+ into ASchleck during the TT?...
    Apparently he could :lol:

    A great ride by Evans. :D
  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Well done Cadel, you deserve it.

    You have no Adams apple though...
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  • suzyb
    suzyb Posts: 3,449
    Yeah good ride by Evans.

    Next year I'm putting a bet on when I'm sure who will win though. Had a feeling it was Evan's tour in the first week, if I'd put some money on it I could have made a few quid.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,466
    Evans....class act
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