Pronunciation in cycling

Ben6899

notsoblue wrote:

I was in a tiny bike shop in Siena fully of gorgeous bikes when my pronunciation of Bianchi was indignantly corrected. Apparently its "Bian-kee" and not "Bian-chee" as I had thought for years :?

And I had you down as intelligent. "Bian-chee" pfft!

Ben6899

Blacktemplar wrote:

What about Trek's Madone series.......?

Is it "mad wun" or "maddowne" ???

Named after a Lombardi province so it's pronounced just as you would expect the Italians to do so. If you're still unsure, the I'm afraid I can't help with that.

bigmat

Ben6899 wrote:

Blacktemplar wrote:

What about Trek's Madone series.......?

Is it "mad wun" or "maddowne" ???

Named after a Lombardi province so it's pronounced just as you would expect the Italians to do so. If you're still unsure, the I'm afraid I can't help with that.

I thought the Madone was a col near Nice?

Ben6899

BigMat wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

Blacktemplar wrote:

What about Trek's Madone series.......?

Is it "mad wun" or "maddowne" ???

Named after a Lombardi province so it's pronounced just as you would expect the Italians to do so. If you're still unsure, the I'm afraid I can't help with that.

I thought the Madone was a col near Nice?

Something related to LA's favourite training grounds, so you might be right with that detail. Either way, it sure as hell ain't pronounced "Mad One"!

rick_chasey

BigMat wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

Blacktemplar wrote:

What about Trek's Madone series.......?

Is it "mad wun" or "maddowne" ???

Named after a Lombardi province so it's pronounced just as you would expect the Italians to do so. If you're still unsure, the I'm afraid I can't help with that.

I thought the Madone was a col near Nice?

I thought so too. Popular with pros (inc. Armstrong if I remember right) for training.

Ben6899

Cheers gents. I stand corrected [said the man in the orthopedic shoe].

team47b

In Portuguese we try not to pronounce the name 'Kona' we even try to avoid using this word, it is reserved for 'special' motorists - it's your 'c ' word!

veronese68

Great! I'm riding around on a big red gash.

clarkey cat

in our house 'no' is pronounced - no-enn-oh.

specifically as a response to 'can I buy more cycling gear?'

roger_merriman

Have to admit enjoying listening to folks struggle with welsh place names! normally Bwlch etc.

ddraver

Sportive is French is nt it, so it would be sporteeve...?

SimonAH

I

roger merriman wrote:

Have to admit enjoying listening to folks struggle with welsh place names! normally Bwlch etc.

Don't worry, the next mountain over is the Rhigos (pron. Rickos) dropping down into Hirwaun (pron. Here-whine) except the residents pronounce it 'erwin. Go figure.

Mind you, according to the signs at the A470 junction on the M4 the Welsh word for Superstore is Archfarchnad. I've yet to hear a non giggle making pronunciation of that! .....and as for Brynbugga.....

team47b

So, is it...

To-peek?
Toe-peek?
Top-eek?
Tow-pee-ak?
Topic?

roger_merriman

SimonAH wrote:

I

roger merriman wrote:

Have to admit enjoying listening to folks struggle with welsh place names! normally Bwlch etc.

Don't worry, the next mountain over is the Rhigos (pron. Rickos) dropping down into Hirwaun (pron. Here-whine) except the residents pronounce it 'erwin. Go figure.

Mind you, according to the signs at the A470 junction on the M4 the Welsh word for Superstore is Archfarchnad. I've yet to hear a non giggle making pronunciation of that! .....and as for Brynbugga.....

Yeah always entertaining when something happens in the less well known places, and media then have to have a crack at it! I was born and spend most of my life In Wales so can normally cope.

Some as you say are locally said differently.

jonny_trousers

roger merriman wrote:

SimonAH wrote:

I

roger merriman wrote:

Have to admit enjoying listening to folks struggle with welsh place names! normally Bwlch etc.

Don't worry, the next mountain over is the Rhigos (pron. Rickos) dropping down into Hirwaun (pron. Here-whine) except the residents pronounce it 'erwin. Go figure.

Mind you, according to the signs at the A470 junction on the M4 the Welsh word for Superstore is Archfarchnad. I've yet to hear a non giggle making pronunciation of that! .....and as for Brynbugga.....

Yeah always entertaining when something happens in the less well known places, and media then have to have a crack at it! I was born and spend most of my life In Wales so can normally cope.

Some as you say are locally said differently.

I'm sorry to hear that mate. Our thoughts are with you

walkingbootweather

As commuting cyclists surely you should all be more concerned with the great "All-die" versus "Al-dee" and "Lid-all" versus "Lie-dle" questions?

clarkey cat

WBW - most of the commuters on here are London based so wear Rapha / Paul Smith.

lost_in_thought

Sportive = spor-tivv
Miche = meesh (meekeh? why?)
Campagnolo = Camm-pagg-nolo, but more likely Campy/Campag
Bianchi = Bee-yankee
Topeak = topp-eek
Madone = madd-oan
Cervelo = sir-velo
Pinarello = Pinner-ello
Viner = vine-err
Fizik = fizz-ick
Aldi = Al-dee
Lidl = Lidd-ull
Wilier = Vill-ee-yurr or Willy-err
Giro = Jai-roh
Ciocc = see-yock
Scone = Skonn (I know, I bet those who've met me expected it to be scoan)

It should be noted that I have a reasonable aversion to people making huge efforts to pronounce things like this as they would be pronounced in their country of origin. Wilier is very variable! If people know what you mean, the object of language is achieved: someone correcting you is just trying to make themselves feel good!

And people who insist on saying Paella as Pay-ayyy-uh? If you're english, it's Pie-ella.

veronese68

lost_in_thought wrote:

Scone = Skonn (I know, I bet those who've met me expected it to be scoan)
If people know what you mean, the object of language is achieved: someone correcting you is just trying to make themselves feel good!

I agree with both of these points. Although I reserve the right to pronounce Campagnolo as campanyolo, but I am Italian. Same reason as gnocchi are nyockee, not gernocky.
Scone has to be skonn otherwise the joke doesn't work.
What's the fastest cake in the world?
Scoan? No, skonn.

lost_in_thought

Veronese68 wrote:

lost_in_thought wrote:

Scone = Skonn (I know, I bet those who've met me expected it to be scoan)
If people know what you mean, the object of language is achieved: someone correcting you is just trying to make themselves feel good!

I agree with both of these points. Although I reserve the right to pronounce Campagnolo as campanyolo, but I am Italian. Same reason as gnocchi are nyockee, not gernocky.
Scone has to be skonn otherwise the joke doesn't work.
What's the fastest cake in the world?
Scoan? No, skonn.

I offer you gnome, gnoll, gnat. Gn = n at the start of a word! I would definitely say gnocchi as nocky.

veronese68

lost_in_thought wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

lost_in_thought wrote:

Scone = Skonn (I know, I bet those who've met me expected it to be scoan)
If people know what you mean, the object of language is achieved: someone correcting you is just trying to make themselves feel good!

I agree with both of these points. Although I reserve the right to pronounce Campagnolo as campanyolo, but I am Italian. Same reason as gnocchi are nyockee, not gernocky.
Scone has to be skonn otherwise the joke doesn't work.
What's the fastest cake in the world?
Scoan? No, skonn.

I offer you gnome, gnoll, gnat. Gn = n at the start of a word! I would definitely say gnocchi as nocky.

I can accept nocky. there's an old fella at work that pronounces it with a hard g, it sounds awful. Being half wop I still reserve the right to pronounce it in Italian. I don't correct people.
Cervelo I pronounce Chervelo, as that's the Italian word for brain. At least I do in my head, I can't remember saying the word out loud in English.

rjsterry

lost_in_thought wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

lost_in_thought wrote:

Scone = Skonn (I know, I bet those who've met me expected it to be scoan)
If people know what you mean, the object of language is achieved: someone correcting you is just trying to make themselves feel good!

I agree with both of these points. Although I reserve the right to pronounce Campagnolo as campanyolo, but I am Italian. Same reason as gnocchi are nyockee, not gernocky.
Scone has to be skonn otherwise the joke doesn't work.
What's the fastest cake in the world?
Scoan? No, skonn.

I offer you gnome, gnoll, gnat. Gn = n at the start of a word! I would definitely say gnocchi as nocky.

But pronounce agnello as 'annello' in Italy, and you'll be asking for a ring instead of lamb, which will confuse your waiter or butcher.

stuaff

lost_in_thought wrote:

Sportive = spor-tivv
Miche = meesh (meekeh? why?)
Campagnolo = Camm-pagg-nolo, but more likely Campy/Campag
Bianchi = Bee-yankee
Topeak = topp-eek
Madone = madd-oan
Cervelo = sir-velo
Pinarello = Pinner-ello
Viner = vine-err
Fizik = fizz-ick
Aldi = Al-dee
Lidl = Lidd-ull
Wilier = Vill-ee-yurr or Willy-err
Giro = Jai-roh
Ciocc = see-yock
Scone = Skonn (I know, I bet those who've met me expected it to be scoan)

It should be noted that I have a reasonable aversion to people making huge efforts to pronounce things like this as they would be pronounced in their country of origin. Wilier is very variable! If people know what you mean, the object of language is achieved: someone correcting you is just trying to make themselves feel good!

And people who insist on saying Paella as Pay-ayyy-uh? If you're english, it's Pie-ella.

Good point- as long as the meaning's clear, pronunciation 'correctly' doesn't really matter. Case in point: Viner. The guys and gal at Velocity (who are a dealer and as such deal with the factory and their fluent-in-Italian UK importers) pronounce it 'Vine-err'. I say 'Vee-ner', AFAIK the Italian way- Viviano Nerossi the company founder abbreviated his name. I've never felt the need to tell them they're 'wrong'. We both know what we mean.

And guess what I've just been watching: 'Inspector Montalbano'

dhope

lost_in_thought wrote:

Ciocc = see-yock

Church

jonny_trousers

Peter Sagan - Za-gann (with an emphasis on the second sylabol) or Sah-gan?
Jakob Fuglsang - Full-sang or Fu-gel-sang?
Movistar - Mo-vii-star or movie-star?

Can whoever is in the know let the Eurosport commentators in on the correct pronunciation so that there is some kind of uniformity between the two of them?

secretsam

Right, after a long break, I'm back

I still want a correct pronunciation for Colnago, as I still contest my "Col-nya-go" is correct. Italian-speakers only plizz

PS LIT: Is it Vine-Err or Veen-err (as in Veen-oh, the Italian for wine)? And Wilier, still not clear on that one.

Come on, chop chop

London_Falcon

SecretSam wrote:

PS LIT: Is it Vine-Err or Veen-err (as in Veen-oh, the Italian for wine)?

And talking of wine reminded me of this little nugget. Officially you do pronounce the "t" in Moet champagne - rhymes with poet apparently. Something to do with it being a Dutch name....

gabriel959

Jonny_Trousers wrote:

Peter Sagan - Za-gann (with an emphasis on the second sylabol) or Sah-gan?
Jakob Fuglsang - Full-sang or Fu-gel-sang?
Movistar - Mo-vii-star or movie-star?

Can whoever is in the know let the Eurosport commentators in on the correct pronunciation so that there is some kind of uniformity between the two of them?

It is Mo-vi-star - I should know that one.

roger_merriman

SecretSam wrote:

Right, after a long break, I'm back

I still want a correct pronunciation for Colnago, as I still contest my "Col-nya-go" is correct. Italian-speakers only plizz

why not ask this guy? http://vimeo.com/25817284 just before 3mins

veronese68

SecretSam wrote:

Right, after a long break, I'm back

I still want a correct pronunciation for Colnago, as I still contest my "Col-nya-go" is correct. Italian-speakers only plizz
Come on, chop chop

Col: like it is writ
na: Very short a, beyond northern. No y in there.
go: very short o, as at the beginning of obtuse.