Tyler sinks the Lance

RichN95.

No tA Doctor wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

I love the facts4lance website.

{Hamilton is not Credible}
{Andreu is not Credible}

I'm wondering how long that list in the top menu will grow.

Has the Hulk testified? Because he's definitely not credible.

Forgive me, but after a pause of over 10 years in following racing (Festina - Floyd's letter) I'm not up on nicknames. Unless you actually mean The Hulk (Hogan or the green bloke) in which case it just went over my head.

It was just a daft joke. (The Incredible Hulk)

disgruntledgoat

Don't make him angry Rich... You wouldn't like him when he's angry

deejay

The Mad Rapper wrote:

I don't know anything about Tyler, what's his story? I get the impression that some people view him as less than credible, but I don't know on what basis that's being done.

The Texan Seven time Wonder Boy needed sledge dogs to tow him along for his armchair rides.
Landis and Hamilton and Hincapie are some of those dogs from the Bruyneel/Armstrong Kennel along with many others (some non USA) who have since been busted for drugging.

Hincapie remains aloof and is therefore no better than the other proven drug takers because he wants to stay under the radar for the time being.
Pressure will fall on him eventually because how in hell did he win one of the biggest mountain stages in the TDF without the help from that Kennel.

What is happening is the dog whip is getting weaker and I hope to see him follow Bjarne Riis once again.
It took him 3 years to follow Bjarne and win (?) the TDF.
Bjarne took about 10 years to fess up so it might take another 8 years for the Bastard to come clean.
That's a joke, Clean and yes his mother wasn't married when the bum was born. (so that is not foul language)

Dream on Mc Gub and do the Ostrich trick again.

MrTapir

Ahhh Analogy overload!!

dg74

I think the whole episode is just depressing.

Depressing for cycling, depressing for the people that support cycling, depressing for those that support/hate LA.

More than anything, it's actually ruining peoples lives. Landis and Hamilton will be knocked to the side and it's just going to get very messy for them, if not more so than now.

The guys retired, it's in the past, just move along.

bigmat

The Mad Rapper wrote:

dougzz wrote:

Making the BBC radio news, nice to see the Sport of Professional Bike Racing get coverage

We need to get some T-shirts printed with classic Phil & Paul quotes

That'd be a job of work...

iainf72

dg74 wrote:

The guys retired, it's in the past, just move along.

You know there is a big criminal investigation going on that transcends "sport", don't you?

As for Floyd and Tyler, they played the game, as expect. Did what cycling expected of them and they were left to burn.

Snorebens

t4tomo wrote:

I like the way that Lance's denials are along the lines of " I've been tested more than anyone else and I've never tested positive" not "I've never doped / taken drugs/ cheated"

In fact, they've even quietly dropped the 'never tested positive' bit - check Fabiani from this morning:
"Lance Armstrong is the most tested athlete in the history of sports: He has passed nearly 500 tests over twenty years of competition."

bigmat

They'll get Lance eventually - that much is becoming increasingly clear. The whole Hincapie thing is about accelerating the process in the "court of public opinion". If somebody with no agenda or axe to grind corroborates these stories its a lot more difficult for Lance to bat away. Saying that, did you see Chasing Legends? Hincapie was really pissed about not getting yellow - that guy would do anything to get back at Lance right?!

iainf72

IOC looking at taking away the gold medal and giving it to.....

EKI!

Yay clean cycling!

inkyfingers

deejay wrote:

Pressure will fall on him eventually because how in hell did he win one of the biggest mountain stages in the TDF without the help from that Kennel.

Whilst I agree with your sentiment I struggle when people use that stage win as evidence for doping. He's hardly the first non climbing specialist to win a mountain stage, remember that he won it from a soft break which his team let go in order to give them an easy day. If he had danced off the front of the GC group and dropped them all that would be a little different.

dg74

iainf72 wrote:

dg74 wrote:

The guys retired, it's in the past, just move along.

You know there is a big criminal investigation going on that transcends "sport", don't you?

As for Floyd and Tyler, they played the game, as expect. Did what cycling expected of them and they were left to burn.

I do but the whole thing smacks of people vying for places at a car crash scene - it's fairly disgusting.

I don't know, I really hate seeing the sport being in this sort of spotlight, as if it's some big circus of freaks.

Just bummed out by it, I suppose.

disgruntledgoat

iainf72 wrote:

IOC looking at taking away the gold medal and giving it to.....

EKI!

Yay clean cycling!

Just as an exercise I decided to look on Wiki as to who, through ignorance or blind faith, I'd feel comfortable as being declared the winner of the 1999 Tour.

Step forward Kurt van De Wouwer from 11th place.

No_Ta_Doctor

dg74 wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

dg74 wrote:

The guys retired, it's in the past, just move along.

You know there is a big criminal investigation going on that transcends "sport", don't you?

As for Floyd and Tyler, they played the game, as expect. Did what cycling expected of them and they were left to burn.

I do but the whole thing smacks of people vying for places at a car crash scene - it's fairly disgusting.

I don't know, I really hate seeing the sport being in this sort of spotlight, as if it's some big circus of freaks.

Just bummed out by it, I suppose.

I understand your point, but don't agree with it. Cycling still needs a purgative to clean its system out. There's been a lot of improvement since the "bad old days" but to truly break with the past we need to flush it out.

And if you're not enjoying cycling being in the spotlight for the wrong reasons I'd advise you to avoid all media when CAS strip Contador of the TdF and this years Giro...

Doobz

Hope Lance isn't too sensitive to Ky-Jelly!

RichN95.

iainf72 wrote:

IOC looking at taking away the gold medal and giving it to.....

EKI!

Yay clean cycling!

A certain someone on twitter: Congratulations to @eki_ekimov on his 3rd Olympic Gold Medal!!

I have to say, I do quite admire the nerve of the guy.

luckao

Tyler, who insists he could not tell a lie, and who Believers base their faith in large part on their acceptance of that part of his personality, had lied publicly, and in a most self-serving context. It wasn’t a small lie either. It was one that, in many instances, has ruined careers and ended in resignations.

That website's attempts to sully his name are beyond desperate.

Art Vandelay

So who else have 60 Minutes lined up? Rumours that there's more than just Tyler's confession...

Speedo_King

I blame Wiggle.

Think about it.

Haribo = Gelatine = Cows from Spain

I'm just saying......

Tusher

Should I buy the wool for another Aran cardigan or tackle a complicated crocheted baby shawl in two ply?

Rindle

I think the important thing to remember as we all destroy what remains of credibility in pro cycling. Is to remember the super wealthy backgrounds that all these riders come from.

Lance obviously was born withthe silver spoon in his mouth and learnt to race touring around his families 50,000 acre farm.

Ullrich came from the old east germany with its massive opportunities where the streets were paved with gold

Vino comes from a country i can't spell and I'd never even head of before he arrived.

I know the withc hunt is out for all these riders who've taken substances but In all honesty if you had the opportunity to take just a little bit of something andbecome a superstar of work on a potato farm what would you do.

Anyone seen limitless? You wouldn't have been tempted?


Lance getting busted will destroy the sport. Possibly forever.

iainf72

Rindle wrote:

Lance getting busted will destroy the sport. Possibly forever.

No it won't. The people who loved cycling before Lance, during Lance and after Lance will continue to love it.

The people who bought a Lance myth might go away.

rick_chasey

Look he's busted already.

If this were any other rider he'd be done.

It's only really because he's American and all that comes with that, the money, the personality, the myth, etc etc that it's dragging on this long.

If he was Euro it'd be more like Ullrich and it'd all be done.

Yanks need their stars to be whiter than white, and they're more binary about their stars than Europeans.

disgruntledgoat

Rindle,

I'd quite like to be the best in the world at my profession too.. the only problem is I lack the talent and commitment to do so. Is your argument, essentially, that if i find a nefarious way to acheive this goal, it's ok as I'll have more money and influence than I would if I was honest and worked hard to my own limitations?

Further to that, are you also arguing that once my deceit is exposed, it should be hushed up, lest it impacts negatively on my colleagues who covered up for me and themselves down the years? Who's interests does that serve?

No_Ta_Doctor

Rindle wrote:

I think the important thing to remember as we all destroy what remains of credibility in pro cycling. Is to remember the super wealthy backgrounds that all these riders come from.

Lance obviously was born withthe silver spoon in his mouth and learnt to race touring around his families 50,000 acre farm.

Ullrich came from the old east germany with its massive opportunities where the streets were paved with gold

Vino comes from a country i can't spell and I'd never even head of before he arrived.

I know the withc hunt is out for all these riders who've taken substances but In all honesty if you had the opportunity to take just a little bit of something andbecome a superstar of work on a potato farm what would you do.

Anyone seen limitless? You wouldn't have been tempted?


Lance getting busted will destroy the sport. Possibly forever.

Of course we would have been tempted. And we'd have rationalised it with "everyone else is at it" so it isn't really cheating.

The question now is "how do we stop some other poor kid with talent from being tempted?"

Brushing it under the carpet to try and protect a reputation that cycling lost years ago isn't the way forward. Cycling will survive, and if we do this right, emerge stronger for it.

Contador has far more chance of killing cycling than Lance does.

mididoctors

disgruntledgoat wrote:

I bet Armstrong is wishing he'd given Landis that job now...

I reckon so

it was his and the hogs responsibility to look after everyone involved

at least in landis's mind..... and you need to be able to read that mindset if you are in their position

Indurain shared it around comment by rick rings true as well

RichN95.

Rindle wrote:

Anyone seen limitless? You wouldn't have been tempted?

No. I've never been tempted to see Limitless.

deejay

No tA Doctor wrote:

Contador has far more chance of killing cycling than Lance does.

If he does it will still land on the Texan's door as he also improved his drug knowledge with his time in the Bruyneel/Armstrong set up.

iainf72

deejay wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

Contador has far more chance of killing cycling than Lance does.

If he does it will still land on the Texan's door as he also improved his drug knowledge with his time in the Bruyneel/Armstrong set up.

Yes, that makes sense. Rode for Saiz who taught Bruyneel what he knows, but it will be Bruyneels fault.

No_Ta_Doctor

mididoctors wrote:

Indurain shared it around comment by rick rings true as well

I have no idea whether Indurain kept accomplices sweet somehow, but I suspect that the difference in personality between him and LA may also account for some of this. LA's willingness to self-promote has attracted more attention and his brashness may well have alienated both cycling fans and some of those close to him.