Mac or PC?

briantrumpet

fast as fupp wrote:

if you like viruses, spyware, tinkering with drivers and switching your computer on and off go for a windows pc

if not go for mac or linux

I'm on a PC, have no trouble with viruses, drivers, spyware, wonky drivers etc. If you go for the good open source stuff, of which there is loads for PC, you can get a really good cheap working tool, and with little risk of all the scary stuff the Mac people like to suggest all PCs suffer from.

My current Dell PC was £400, and does everything I want it to. The other £1000 could go towards a bike....

Evil Laugh

I have a mac pro and a windows laptop. I primarily use them for making music, Internet, storing media. I much prefer the mac. The OS is more intuitive, installations are easy, no viruses, driver issues, never grinds to a halt. Start up is fast, file management is much better. Finder is so quick to find files etc, as soon as you type the file is there, great for music. Hardware works better. Same software runs much faster. Only trade off is I lose some software that is pc only.

General feeling is that the mac just lets me go about making music uninterrupted and that is worth the money to me. I don't have to worry about the performance or manage it in any way. It just works and beautifully too.

When I just had my windows pc I spent considerable time just trying to get it to run efficiently, a problem when using many bits of hardware and programs at the same time.

redd

There are four computers in the house, a PowerMac (late 90s model), an iMac, an iBook and a pc. The pc is down at the moment. The rest are working like they should. Nuff said.

Nuggs

Rick Chasey wrote:

Nuggs wrote:

Mac.

That is all.

Macs are rubbish.

However, I can't explain how bad they are, so here is a man who's visceral hatred of Mac's is plenty more eloquent than mine.

Charlie Brooker

And for the OP:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ac-windows

Charlie Booker doesn't like anything. Funny bloke though.

daviesee

Here's an analogy -

Boardman or Colnago X-Light?

The Boardman is clearly better value for money and as it is lighter it is arguably better. Which would you prefer?

My answer is below

I also went with Mac so you know how I roll............It's not all about money.

rick_chasey

Nuggs wrote:

Charlie Booker doesn't like anything. Funny bloke though.

He likes Konnie Huq...

Homer J

Macs are glorified Fisher-Price activity centres for adults - CB

rick_chasey

daviesee wrote:

I also went with Mac so you know how I roll.............

....like a severed penis?

guinea

daviesee wrote:

Here's an analogy -
Boardman or Colnago X-Light?

Here's another analogy

Serotta or Colnago CLX

The Serotta is custom fitted to your exact requirement whereas the Colnago is mass produced in the Far East and sells itself mostly on its branding.

daviesee

guinea wrote:

daviesee wrote:

Here's an analogy -
Boardman or Colnago X-Light?

Here's another analogy

Serotta or Colnago CLX

The Serotta is custom fitted to your exact requirement whereas the Colnago is mass produced in the Far East and sells itself mostly on its branding.

But the Serotta costs so much more. Not really working there for you now, is it?

daviesee

Rick Chasey wrote:

daviesee wrote:

I also went with Mac so you know how I roll.............

....like a severed penis?

Says a lot about your mind that does :shock:

rick_chasey

daviesee wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

daviesee wrote:

I also went with Mac so you know how I roll.............

....like a severed penis?

Says a lot about your mind that does :shock:

I'm in the mood for a little creative profanity.


I blame being in shoreditch last night.

In the corner of the bar I was frequenting, I saw 5 guys all beavering away on their Mac laptops, with 3 of them rubbish their noses vigorously. :?

guinea

daviesee wrote:

But the Serotta costs so much more. Not really working there for you now, is it?

Are you being dumb on purpose?

You compared an £1800 frameset against a £1k complete bike. My comparison is just the same as yours.

daviesee

guinea wrote:

daviesee wrote:

But the Serotta costs so much more. Not really working there for you now, is it?

Are you being dumb on purpose?

You compared an £1800 frameset against a £1k complete bike. My comparison is just the same as yours.

The comparison is not the same.

The Boardman is better value and possibly better but the Master is more desirable. That kind of ties in with PC v Mac.

Your analogy is comparing the custon build capabilities of the Serotta/PC against the off the shelf Colnago/Mac. Fair enough but the main argument for PC/against Mac appears to be cost. You pay a lot for that Serotta custom build.

Or maybe I read you wrong :?: Serottas are very nice by the way 8)

markos1963

ALaPlage wrote:

After years with windows based PC I've just switched to iMac. Choice was made for photographic use and I run Aperture and CS5. The iPhoto that comes bundled with the computer is a pretty good bit of software for basic editing and creating a usable library.

The iMac IPS screen is amazing for image editing and viewing and taking the cost of a 27" screen into the equation it makes the true cost of Apple v PC much more in line. Granted the kit now in Apples are similar to PC and pound for pound it will appear that the PC package represents better value. Factor in a quality large monitor though and the differential narrows dramatically.

Ignore the responses that Mac is crap or PC is Crap - go with what works for you and consider what your needs are. If as you say your game playing choices are met by Mac and photography is a key reason in your choice then the iMac is a great choice.

Apple does tie you in but in doing so it makes everything work so well together. My experience is the OS is more intuitive and the software I use (which is a direct comparism to a dual core PC with same RAM) runs a lot faster on the iMac.

As already pointed out the start up times and close down is so quick - seconds rather than what can be minutes on PC.

Many Mac users wax lyrical about the kit they use. I understand it now I have my own as it is the experience in use that is hard to explain but is a pure pleasure. I have had no frozen programs, bugs, virus alerts and it just works so well.

It is a little like why buy a Mercedes/BMW/AUDI when a Ford Focus will do. There is a difference in the experience in use (equally in price too but none the less a difference in the quality of the experience). I used to ride a perfectly adequate road bike from a well known motoring chain - I got to try a friends Trek Madone. The experience was completely different - lighter, quicker to react when putting the power down, rolling speed smoother and faster..... you pays your money......

For photographic use iMac wins for me. Pleasure in use iMac wins for me. So much so I've treated myself to a Macbook pro too.

Oh and of course as previously mentioned - Apples are shiny and the eye candy of the computing world.

Apple care is amazing too - but you need to experience it to really appreciate how good it is.

Wow thanks for that, probably the most balanced arguement I have read so far and has made up my mind.
It will be an iMac but I'll wait a bit to see what this proposed upgrade is going to be.
I best be careful though, with that sort of money sitting around I could end up buying the TT frame I need!!

freehub

fast as fupp wrote:

if you like viruses, spyware, tinkering with drivers and switching your computer on and off go for a windows pc

if not go for mac or linux

The above is rubbish.

To the OP, honestly did you really need to start a thread like this? I bet you 80% knew you'd get a mac anyway, and you just invite people in who talk shit because they don't know anything windows and mac like the above quote.

fast as fupp

freehub wrote:

fast as fupp wrote:

if you like viruses, spyware, tinkering with drivers and switching your computer on and off go for a windows pc

if not go for mac or linux

The above is rubbish.

To the OP, honestly I don't know wtf you started this thread, it was obvious from the beginning you were going to get a mac and you just invite people in who talk shoot about windows and mac like the above quote.

no its not, you are :shock:

*flicks v's*

freehub

fast as fupp wrote:

freehub wrote:

fast as fupp wrote:

if you like viruses, spyware, tinkering with drivers and switching your computer on and off go for a windows pc

if not go for mac or linux

The above is rubbish.

To the OP, honestly I don't know wtf you started this thread, it was obvious from the beginning you were going to get a mac and you just invite people in who talk shoot about windows and mac like the above quote.

no its not, you are :shock:

*flicks v's*

I've edited my quote, but you were talking rubbish, if all you got was viruses and spyware then you don't know how to use a PC properly and go on porn all day.

fast as fupp

freehub wrote:

fast as fupp wrote:

freehub wrote:

fast as fupp wrote:

if you like viruses, spyware, tinkering with drivers and switching your computer on and off go for a windows pc

if not go for mac or linux

The above is rubbish.

To the OP, honestly I don't know wtf you started this thread, it was obvious from the beginning you were going to get a mac and you just invite people in who talk shoot about windows and mac like the above quote.

no its not, you are :shock:

*flicks v's*

I've edited my quote, but you were talking rubbish, if all you got was viruses and spyware then you don't know how to use a PC properly and go on porn all day.

thats what the internets for isnt it?

Valy

freehub wrote:

fast as fupp wrote:

freehub wrote:

fast as fupp wrote:

if you like viruses, spyware, tinkering with drivers and switching your computer on and off go for a windows pc

if not go for mac or linux

The above is rubbish.

To the OP, honestly I don't know wtf you started this thread, it was obvious from the beginning you were going to get a mac and you just invite people in who talk shoot about windows and mac like the above quote.

no its not, you are :shock:

*flicks v's*

I've edited my quote, but you were talking rubbish, if all you got was viruses and spyware then you don't know how to use a PC properly and go on porn all day.

Pretty much...

It's only true if you click on this and that, dl from dodgy sites and not computer literate.

Nah, of course PITA episodes can happen with PCs but that is more or less a thing of the past with Vista onwards pretty much.

freehub

Yeah and I always laugh if anyone tries to argue windows is rubbish cause it crashes alot, I've had Windows 7 for around 1 and a half years now and Windows 7 has never once crashed.

markos1963

freehub wrote:

fast as fupp wrote:

if you like viruses, spyware, tinkering with drivers and switching your computer on and off go for a windows pc

if not go for mac or linux

The above is rubbish.

To the OP, honestly did you really need to start a thread like this? I bet you 80% knew you'd get a mac anyway, and you just invite people in who talk shoot because they don't know anything windows and mac like the above quote.

Errr no, people are entiltled to their opinions and I wanted to hear them. Yes I might have been leaning towards the Mac but I wanted some comments from other users as the people in the Apple store are going to be obviously biased.

Valy

BUt seriously, nevermind Mac vs PC...


WTF made you think that SRAM was Linux?

craker

Sorry to chip in on this one again; I'm surprised how overwhelmingly mac the responses are. Is that because Mac owners - having forked out big £££ to buy into the Mac identity - need to tell everyone how great it is? I did read somewhere that Steve Job's greatest success was selling the Mac brand to creative types / as a creative tool, thus reinforcing Mac owners opinions of themselves.

It strikes me there must be a silent majority of PC users out there who can't or wont chip into this debate though lack of experience or because the question just doesn't interest them. For those folk who use a computer as a tool then £ for £ there's surely no contest. And on purely metric basis, for given £ you get more PC. Where are all these people for whom PCs crash all the time? I don't think I've had a PC blue screen on me in a decade.

For those who consider PCs to be riddled with virus' and spyware, get a free virus checker next time and don't be naive enough to believe that Macs are somehow exempt from this problem.

So it comes down to a better user experience under OSX. How much are you prepared to pay for that? Shall I ride my Boardman or my Colnago? well the Boardman was £800 less and I sure like being seen on the Colnago....

redddraggon

Macs are overrated, but it doesn't stop me wanting a Macbook Pro.

If I could only have one system, it'd be the largely more superior windows system that sat on my desk.

Weejie54

Sorry to chip in on this one again; I'm surprised how overwhelmingly mac the responses are. Is that because Mac owners - having forked out big £££ to buy into the Mac identity - need to tell everyone how great it is? I did read somewhere that Steve Job's greatest success was selling the Mac brand to creative types / as a creative tool, thus reinforcing Mac owners opinions of themselves.

It strikes me there must be a silent majority of PC users out there who can't or wont chip into this debate though lack of experience or because the question just doesn't interest them. For those folk who use a computer as a tool then £ for £ there's surely no contest. And on purely metric basis, for given £ you get more PC. Where are all these people for whom PCs crash all the time? I don't think I've had a PC blue screen on me in a decade.

For those who consider PCs to be riddled with virus' and spyware, get a free virus checker next time and don't be naive enough to believe that Macs are somehow exempt from this problem.

So it comes down to a better user experience under OSX. How much are you prepared to pay for that? Shall I ride my Boardman or my Colnago? well the Boardman was £800 less and I sure like being seen on the Colnago....

Although I do have a genuine (but old) Mac, I have some PCs running OSx86 versions.
I also have PCs running Windows versions. Generally, the Mac OS runs more smoothly, boots up and shuts down more speedily and runs music and photo editing apps more efficiently. Having to run AV software on a Windows system doesn't help its performance. When it comes to professional printing proofs, the Mac still reigns (and Mac barcoding apps appear to be better than the Windows counterparts).
Even without the bling of Mac hardware, the OS comes out ahead in certain areas.
Nevertheless, even with the Mac running on a Unix base, kernel panics are not unknown.
As for the poster who claims to have run Windows 7 without experiencing a crash, you obviously aren't using it enough.

autobahn

So is a PC - Shimano? , Mac - Campagnolo & Linux - SRAM

I bought an Imac in November and think its fantastic- infact I bought another one in January for my work office for a new staff member who is also a convert
I agree with comments about being overpriced ...... but they are so good, everything works so smoothly and does what its meant to do. It looks great and as there is no bulky tower to connect everything to, its also portable, ok not like a laptop but if I choose to work in a different room in the house I can move the whole unit - e.g home office to kitchen!!

Only thing I recommend is Micro-soft office for Mac

craker

ALaPlage wrote:

It is a little like why buy a Mercedes/BMW/AUDI when a Ford Focus will do. There is a difference in the experience in use (equally in price too but none the less a difference in the quality of the experience).

This is purely brand snobbery. Car A gets me to work in exactly the same way as car B. Car B costs twice as much as car A and I like to tell people how much better it is. What I'm really telling them is how much more expensive my car is.

Nuggs

mr_si wrote:

ALaPlage wrote:

It is a little like why buy a Mercedes/BMW/AUDI when a Ford Focus will do. There is a difference in the experience in use (equally in price too but none the less a difference in the quality of the experience).

This is purely brand snobbery. Car A gets me to work in exactly the same way as car B. Car B costs twice as much as car A and I like to tell people how much better it is. What I'm really telling them is how much more expensive my car is.

I'm guessing you've never driven a 'premium brand' car...

craker

Nuggs wrote:

I'm guessing you've never driven a 'premium brand' car...

No indeed.

What measurable way is 'premium' better than otherwise?

Last time I saw a reliability league it featured Citroen, Toyota & Nissan.

Then there was an article about the cheapest car to run (inc. depreciation, servicing costs, economy) which was won by some completely unknown (to me) Far Eastern manufacturer whose cars were at the bottom of the market (& then some...)

Car safety is also measurable too I imagine.

It's easy suggest that your 'user experience' is better but you're (probably) just buying into the advertising. I bet you like the idea that you drive a 'premium' car.