My C'dale Jekyll Carbon 1 HiMod build 2011 (DISCONTINUE)

chick0

Xgreygoose wrote:

chick0 wrote:

John, i was just having a closer look at you impressive spec, as i only had brief scan earlier when i first saw your new thread, as i was a little busy at the time.
These Enve Rims are seriously cool, and damn light for the AM sector. This is the first time i have come across them.
I also noticed that you have gone for Tune hubs again, how have you found the robustness of them in the past?
I'm about to do a wheel build, and was thinking going for King and Kongs with ZTR rims and Sapim CX Ray spokes, but i'm a little hesitant about how strong the Tune's will be for Trail and AM abuse ( are Prince and Princess more robust?).

Charlie..

IMHO the strength/stiffness of a wheelset is more on the rims and spokes, not the hubs.
Are you going with Flow or Crest rims?
I was also heading towards Tune K&K hubs but I just couldn't help myself to the P&P limited edition hubs. Got a sweet deal plus you normal have to buy a complete package in order to get these. Also it is hard to find a full Titanium free hub.


The King and Kong is more robust than the Princes/Princess as it has less carbon on it. But of course it is heavier. Did you see that I have converted rear to X12 and the front to a QR15. This will make them even more stiff and I'm pretty sure they weigh the same as the K&K hubs now.
Saying that my Tune Prince/Cannonball sl hubs, XC Enve/Edge rims and Sapim CX Ray spokes wheelset on my Flash takes a fair amount of beating. I've had no issues with them at all.
The XC Edge/Enve rims are amazing, so stiff and strong with a rider weight limit of 110kg! So I knew I had to get the AM version,

This is a photo of the axles that came off the Tune P&P hubs. Check out the full carbon axle of the rear hub 8)


I am currently using 3 wheel hubs. The I9, Dt Swiss 190 and Tune Prince and I like them all.

I know in the past many people have had problems with Tune hubs, but I think they are pretty reliable now. I've been using them for over a year with zero problems. Of course making sure they are always cleaned and the rear hub is well lubed.
Tune was always a work in progress kind of company but they are getting better and better. You know everything is hand build. I actually when to there workshop in Germany. Its a small wooden hut.

I'm still undecided if i will go for Crests or Flow ( I did fancy building with different rims as ZTR's are so damn common these days, but they seem to be the current leaders for strength. value and weight).
My ridding buddy has been rolling on a set of Crests for the last 6 months on his SC Blur LT, and they seem to be pretty tough rims for there weight. Also Project 321 in the US are doing them in custom colours, which is more appealing

http://www.project321.com/products_bike-stans-rims.php

I had seen quite a few previous reports of various Tune hubs failing at different areas
around there shells. And then there was also the soft freehub body's problems. But i have read much less recently, so i also figured that these problems had been addressed. As you said, they seem to be an evolving work in progress design.

Do you strip your Tune hubs down to clean and lube them? If so, how often?

Xgreygoose

chick0 wrote:

I'm still undecided if i will go for Crests or Flow ( I did fancy building with different rims as ZTR's are so damn common these days, but they seem to be the current leaders for strength. value and weight).
My ridding buddy has been rolling on a set of Crests for the last 6 months on his SC Blur LT, and they seem to be pretty tough rims for there weight. Also Project 321 in the US are doing them in custom colours, which is more appealing

http://www.project321.com/products_bike-stans-rims.php

I had seen quite a few previous reports of various Tune hubs failing at different areas
around there shells. And then there was also the soft freehub body's problems. But i have read much less recently, so i also figured that these problems had been addressed. As you said, they seem to be an evolving work in progress design.

Do you strip your Tune hubs down to clean and lube them? If so, how often?

Those rims look great. Very nice. 8)

Between 2-3 times a year that I strip my hubs but maybe more if I've been riding in bad conditions or have done +1000km in a month.
Also I know for sure that the "soft freehub body problem" is fixed. No more problems with that.

Question for you, is the wheelset for your Rize, a new bike and is it non-lefty? Also Crest is good but not as stiff and strong as Flow but of course a wee bit heavy. Are you riding XC or more trails with this new wheelset?

chick0

Xgreygoose wrote:

chick0 wrote:

I'm still undecided if i will go for Crests or Flow ( I did fancy building with different rims as ZTR's are so damn common these days, but they seem to be the current leaders for strength. value and weight).
My ridding buddy has been rolling on a set of Crests for the last 6 months on his SC Blur LT, and they seem to be pretty tough rims for there weight. Also Project 321 in the US are doing them in custom colours, which is more appealing

http://www.project321.com/products_bike-stans-rims.php

I had seen quite a few previous reports of various Tune hubs failing at different areas
around there shells. And then there was also the soft freehub body's problems. But i have read much less recently, so i also figured that these problems had been addressed. As you said, they seem to be an evolving work in progress design.

Do you strip your Tune hubs down to clean and lube them? If so, how often?

Those rims look great. Very nice. 8)

Between 2-3 times a year that I strip my hubs but maybe more if I've been riding in bad conditions or have done +1000km in a month.
Also I know for sure that the "soft freehub body problem" is fixed. No more problems with that.

Question for you, is the wheelset for your Rize, a new bike and is it non-lefty? Also Crest is good but not as stiff and strong as Flow but of course a wee bit heavy. Are you riding XC or more trails with this new wheelset?

2 to 3 times a year is not so bad for stripping and cleaning, and from what i have seen online, servicing king kongs seems pretty straight forward..

Yep, it will be a another wheelset for my Rize (which has still not be rebuilt yet. its a long story), and i run TALAS RLC Fit 140mm forks on it with Mavic ST's.

I was using my Rize as my multi-purpose bike. Everything from basic XC training routes, trails, to double black diamond kamikaze stuff.
I was initially thinking of building a wheelset for XC type riding, but more robust then "race day" type wheels. And that's why i started to look at the light weight Tune hubs. But im now wondering if i can have the best of both worlds, sacrifice a bit a weight, and build a pretty light but still tough wheelset.

I'm 6'2, 86kg, but have a pretty smooth, mechanically sympathetic riding style. The only time i really ever break components is when i crash

Xgreygoose

Thought I would post up the (real) weight of some/most of my parts for the Jekyll. Every gram will count

The gorgeous SRAM XX 11-36t 10speed Cassette (207.1g)


Original lockring (5.6g)


Red PROCRAFT PRC cassette lockring (3.9g)


SRAM XX 11-36t 10speed with the PRC lockring (205.4g)


The new KMC black/red DLC (diamond like coating) X10SL chain. Un-cut: 112links (I think) (240.6g)


SRAM 10speed PC10R Un-cut 112links (I think) (248.3g)

Xgreygoose

Rear Derailleur: SRAM XX (181.8g)


Original Pulleys with dust cap (23.3g)


Extralite Pulley 10t (9.8g)


Custom EP Titanium Ceramic bearings Pulleys 11t (18.6g)


Orignal bolts for the Jockey wheels (2.1g)


Gold alloy bolts for Jockey wheels (1.6g)


Schmolke carbon bolts for Jockey wheels (0.9g)


Original wee adjustment bolts from the SRAM XX rear and front derailleur (2.8g)


Gold alloy wee adjustment bolts for SRAM XX rear and front derailleur (same weight, just for bling factor 3g)


Front Derailleur: SRAM XX 42/28t S2 direct mount (112.4g)


Power Corz cables 2m (5.3g) Only going on the front Derailleur


Shimano Yumeya steel cables (32.1g) Only going on the Rear Derailleur


Shimano Yumeya housing (48.1g)

tri-sexual

i got so excited i think i just wet myself :oops:

Xgreygoose

Shifters: : SRAM XX with steel cables (194g)


Original XX handle bar mounts with Formula The One handle bar mounts (30.4g)


Formula MixMasters with gold and black alloy bolts (29.5g)



Stem: Syntace Force 1.5” 95mm (171.4g) with M6 steel bolts. Big fat stem :-)


M6 steel bolts from Stem (30.5g)


M6 Titanium bolts for Stem (16.1g)


Stem: Syntace Force 1.5” 95mm with the Ti bolts (157.1g)


Syntace 1.5" Litecap with gold alloy bolt 913.6g)


Syntace Star Nut (18.5g)


RESET Racing Comp 1.5" spacers 5mm (5.3) and 10mm (7.6g)




Handle Bar: Edge Riser 700mm 31.8mm (183.3g)


Handle Bar: Enve Sweep bar 31.8mm (174.7g)

Xgreygoose

tri-sexual wrote:

i got so excited i think i just wet myself :oops:

"Steady on, Batman"

Xgreygoose

Grips. Since I'm using a Carbon handle bar I really should go with lock ring grips which will help protect the handle bar end. Thinking about getting the Crank brothers XC grips.

QUESTION: Does anyone know a good light weight lock on grips??

ERGON grips GA1-L Lightweight GREEN (151.1g)


ESI Racer Green (45.1g) and Chunky Black (59.9g)



Procraft SUPER LITE (25.6g)


Extralite grips (19.4g)

Xgreygoose

Seat Post Clamp

Tune QR 34.6mm (27.7g) will use this if I plan not to use the Reverb post


Extralit 34.mm (11.6g) will use this if i paln to use the Reverb post

Xgreygoose

Pedals: Crankbrothers Candy 11 (230g)

thel33ter

Not many lightweight lockons, Poshbikes are doing a 15g pair of 'Nitrile' grips push ons.

http://www.poshbikes.com/product.php?id=256

Found some Crankbros foam lockons? Seen weights between 75g and 96g.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=53281

Xgreygoose

thel33ter wrote:

Not many lightweight lockons, Poshbikes are doing a 15g pair of 'Nitrile' grips push ons.

http://www.poshbikes.com/product.php?id=256

Found some Crankbros foam lockons? Seen weights between 75g and 96g.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=53281

Cheers, yes I saw those CB ones. Think I will order some but I'll wait until I get a bigger shopping list before i order from CRC. Help's with the shipping cost.

BTW those Poshbike one. Do they come with lockons?

thel33ter

No, but apparently they don't move around at all, tempted to try some, need to cut some weight off my Enduro


Loving those Tune hubs. Although the noise they make is infuriating after a few hours.

Xgreygoose

Crank: Cannondale SI Hollowgram SL BB30 for SRAM XX ( 597.4g) with all plastic washer, wave washer, spacer, bearing shields x2,
BB30 Enduro Ceramic Bearings x2,132mm spindle, spider, Carbon Ti full Titanium, 42-26t chainring and Carbon Ti gold and red bolts


Chainring(s): Carbon Ti XX Full Titanium 42/26t (120/80BCD)
(69,2g)
(21.7g)

Enduro Ceramic Bearings BB30 (40g)


Steel Bearings BB30 (49.8g)

thel33ter

Also found some 96g-120g rubber lock-ons.

http://www.petracycles.co.uk/product_in ... =googlepbs

DCR00

Xgreygoose wrote:

thel33ter wrote:

Not many lightweight lockons, Poshbikes are doing a 15g pair of 'Nitrile' grips push ons.

http://www.poshbikes.com/product.php?id=256

Found some Crankbros foam lockons? Seen weights between 75g and 96g.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=53281

Cheers, yes I saw those CB ones. Think I will order some but I'll wait until I get a bigger shopping list before i order from CRC. Help's with the shipping cost.

BTW those Poshbike one. Do they come with lockons?

considered using bar tape ? i was given some S-Works tape with my Spesh Toupe saddle, so ive put it on my bars. IMO much more comfortable than the Superstar grips i was using before, and the tape weighs buggar all

Xgreygoose

thel33ter wrote:

No, but apparently they don't move around at all, tempted to try some, need to cut some weight off my Enduro

Ok, I see but I need Lockon grips only because it will help protect my carbon handle bar ends. I don't usually use lockon grips. No need for XC bikes but I think it will be better for a AM style bike.

shx8000

Now that is impressive. Think i'd be scared to ride it though.

Xgreygoose

DCR00 wrote:

considered using bar tape ? i was given some S-Works tape with my Spesh Toupe saddle, so ive put it on my bars. IMO much more comfortable than the Superstar grips i was using before, and the tape weighs buggar all

I have try this idea before on my Flash and Scalpel. Never really liked it, kind of looks weird for me. Too Pro looking I guess

Xgreygoose

thel33ter wrote:

Loving those Tune hubs. Although the noise they make is infuriating after a few hours.

I guess some people don't like the noise it makes. I can remember my first set of I9's. It made the same bee/buzz sound just like the Chris kings hubs. Cool sound.
I do love the sound of my Tune hubs plus it let other riders and sometime hikers know I'm near them. Much better than having an Incredibell

Xgreygoose

Brakes. No weight for the Formula The One has they are yet to arrive.

Formula 2pcs Floating Rotor 180mm (108.4g)


6 x Titanium T25 bolts for rotors (6.9g)


6 x Carbon Ti gold alloy T20 bolts for rotors (5.7g) more for bling factor


6xTi Bolts/ 6xCarbon-Ti Gold Alloy bolts (12.6g)

Xgreygoose

shx8000 wrote:

Now that is impressive. Think i'd be scared to ride it though.

Thanks . And the reason why you would be scared to ride it? Just asking.

thel33ter

Xgreygoose wrote:

thel33ter wrote:

Loving those Tune hubs. Although the noise they make is infuriating after a few hours.

I guess some people don't like the noise it makes. I can remember my first set of I9's. It made the same bee/buzz sound just like the Chris kings hubs. Cool sound.
I do love the sound of my Tune hubs plus it let other riders and sometime hikers know I'm near them. Much better than having an Incredibell

Don't mind CK hubs, but 4-5 hours of following a guy running Tunes is ridiculous It's probably better when riding them.

Xgreygoose

thel33ter wrote:

Don't mind CK hubs, but 4-5 hours of following a guy running Tunes is ridiculous It's probably better when riding them.

http://youtu.be/8BgprMJZcjol
Just for you I couldn't find a better one

Xgreygoose

Tubes. Not planning to go tubeless as I have had a very bad riding experience with tubeless tires. Can't get myself around to going tubeless yet.
Plus it will be easier to swap tires. No messy Stan's

Eclipse Light Tube (53.4g)


Continental Inner tube for 2.4 tires


QUESTION: Can anyone recommend me a light weight tube for a 2.4 tire.

thel33ter

Xgreygoose wrote:

thel33ter wrote:

Don't mind CK hubs, but 4-5 hours of following a guy running Tunes is ridiculous It's probably better when riding them.

http://youtu.be/8BgprMJZcjol
Just for you I couldn't find a better one

Cheers for that :roll: I was surprised how quickly some the hubs in his other videos stopped turning.

Especially this one

Xgreygoose

Tires. These are the heavier of the pair.
Continental Mountain King Supersonic 2.4 (588.4g)


Continental X Race King 26 x 2.2 Sport (502.6g)


Continental Race King Supersonic 26 x 2.2 (468g)

tri-sexual

yeah, noticed you had a wiggle box in one of your earlier photos and you mention crc,
you still use these uk suppliers even though u are in HK??? (i know u buy specialist kit from germany etc but i'm a little surprised u still order from uk sites - i suppose u get tax free rates but is it really cheaper from these sites?

when you start weighing spacers, star nuts and bolts then you must be very serious.
i broke a set of carbon forks a couple months back, went around a few shops looking for a replacement armed with a set of scales, boy did i get some funny looks

Dick Scruttock

Coming to Hong Kong next month. Where can i buy Edge parts?