Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol

rick_chasey

Mettan wrote:

Can anyone ban this drugs cheat for a while ?

If RCS Sport and ASO combined to refuse his entry, it'd be the equivalent.

cycladianpirate

Blimey! I'd hate to be a Spanish rider riding clean (assuming such a species exists.....). Who would believe you?

rick_chasey

cycladianpirate wrote:

Blimey! I'd hate to be a Spanish rider riding clean (assuming such a species exists.....). Who would believe you?

Surely the question should be "why are you still riding clean?"

ollie51

smithy21 wrote:

According to a number of Spanish newspapers, the competitions committee decided to rethink its verdict on Friday last week based on article 296 of the UCI’s regulations, which says that an athlete can be exonerated if they prove that they had inadvertently ingested a banned product through no fault or negligence on their part.

So run that by me again. How exactly did he prove anything?

There is no conclusive evidence, the Spanish lawyers involved are merely spineless reprobates.

ollie51

smithy21 wrote:

According to a number of Spanish newspapers, the competitions committee decided to rethink its verdict on Friday last week based on article 296 of the UCI’s regulations, which says that an athlete can be exonerated if they prove that they had inadvertently ingested a banned product through no fault or negligence on their part.

So run that by me again. How exactly did he prove anything?

There is no conclusive evidence, the Spanish lawyers involved are merely spineless reprobates.

blazing_saddles

So, Bertie climbs off his bike at the end of the Tour and climbs back on again, for the following year's Tour of Algarve.
In other words, it turned out to be his usual break from cycling; nothing more.

Still, riding tomorrow might well be a dull move.
He loses 6 months credit on a 2 year holiday for when CAS come a callin'.

andyp

I'm not sure he can ride tomorrow;

From @ednl on Twitter "UCI Cycling Regulations, section 2, § 5, 1.2.049: entrants + 2 reserves must be faxed 72h before the event."

Pokerface

I'm sayin' it right now:

CAS won't ban him. He'll skate on this now.

inkyfingers

andyp wrote:

I'm not sure he can ride tomorrow;

From @ednl on Twitter "UCI Cycling Regulations, section 2, § 5, 1.2.049: entrants + 2 reserves must be faxed 72h before the event."

If they had an inkling that he would get off then they may have put him on the roster anyway.

roadiesean

Disgusted, disgusted, disgusted

How can he get away with it again ? (Anyone remember he was similarly named in Puerto)

God. How can we ever believe in this sport again ?

So depressed.

cycladianpirate

Rick Chasey wrote:

cycladianpirate wrote:

Blimey! I'd hate to be a Spanish rider riding clean (assuming such a species exists.....). Who would believe you?

Surely the question should be "why are you still riding clean?"

Well, if today isn't a day for cynicism.....etc.

rick_chasey

cycladianpirate wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

cycladianpirate wrote:

Blimey! I'd hate to be a Spanish rider riding clean (assuming such a species exists.....). Who would believe you?

Surely the question should be "why are you still riding clean?"

Well, if today isn't a day for cynicism.....etc.

If your local authorites won't prosecute drug tests, you wouldn't be maximising the opportunities available to win if you weren't doping.

cajun_cyclist

Has ANY Spanish rider actually been banned by Spain within the last 5 years? Whether from Puerto or anything else?

Yes...

But on checking the news, anyone ever hear of Michael Dean Peppers? He just got suspended for 3 Years for Clenbuterol, he is from South Africa!

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/02/10/ ... years.html

Oh, the race was only October, 2010 in Durban, We all know Clenbuterol does not have any benefits to cyclists!!!

Of course, comparing Contador's case to Li Fuyu, the truth is as Rich pointed out, if one lived in China, the chances are probably much higher of getting Clen in your system if one wants to go the route of how the cases are different.

The female cyclist Moreno got caught for EPO per the last Olympics, but I'm not sure who suspended her,

Here you go:

Spanish cyclist David Garcia has been delivered a two-year ban for his positive test at the last Tour of Spain, the Spanish Cycling Federation said on Thursday.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001 ... 76021.html So, yeah, surely some of these cases have the Spanish Federation handing out suspensions.

What I'd like to see is a list compiled of Spanish riders who have been caught on whatever abnormality, missing tests or testing positive, etc.

AND

MADRID -- Spanish cyclist Eladio Jimenez has been banned for two years for doping with the blood-boosting hormone EPO.

The International Cycling Union says the suspension was imposed by Spain's national federation, which also fined him $11,000. The dates for his ban were not disclosed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/n ... id=5580185 Added the link on, did not post it in original.

sonny73

I'm not going to BS, I haven't read every page on this thread or document relating to this case, so I am prepared to be corrected for this post if need be; and I should add I am huge Contador fan and personally feel he didn't deliberately dope (only my opinion).
BUT he is responsible for what he ingests and to my knowledge cannot 100% prove he did obtain this positive from the beef and however you look at it he had a positive test, which he admits to (for whatever reason) and as such should be banned and I think it's an absolute disgrace that he has been let off.
I hope WADA step up to the plate and sort this out once and for all.

Cleat Eastwood

Sonny73 wrote:

I'm not going to BS, I haven't read every page on this thread or document relating to this case, so I am prepared to be corrected for this post if need be; and I should add I am huge Contador fan and personally feel he didn't deliberately dope (only my opinion).
BUT he is responsible for what he ingests and to my knowledge cannot 100% prove he did obtain this positive from the beef and however you look at it he had a positive test, which he admits to (for whatever reason) and as such should be banned and I think it's an absolute disgrace that he has been let off.
I hope WADA step up to the plate and sort this out once and for all.

Couldnt agree more. That for me is the point. Its about personal responsibility and responsibility to the sport. Its not like contador is come-day-go-day cyclist, he is a world class athlete, and as current holder of the tdf he should recognise that if he doesnt respect the letter of the law then who on earth should. He had a chance to do the decent thing and sadly he didnt do it. A sad day indeed.

FransJacques

Rocksteadyeddie wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Rocksteadyeddie wrote:

Makes you despair for the sport.

Makes me despair about Spains attitude more than anything.

It is too simplistic to see this as just Spain fudging the issue / turning a blind eye / selling any semblance of credibility on doping they may have left down the river (although that clearly is what has happened). Principally this is a cycling centric issue. It is the sport which will take the majority of the backlash. It is the sport which is seen to have bent the rules (again). It is the sport which will have to carry the burden of clean riders looking at yet another top name seemingly getting off scot-free.

One can but hope that the UCI and WADA will do the necessary and appeal to the CAS. Much as I admire the swashbuckling spirit of Contador, and the guile and cunning of his legal team, I hope that such an appeal is successful and that the ban is upheld. Goodness knows where we are left in the event that an appeal is unsuccessful, but I can't help but feel that this another sad day for the sport I love.

It's a great legal angle -> if doping isn't against the law of the country of the rider (Spain) then the sanctioning committee (which is Spanish) can abide by Spanish law and in this case they ruled they have no grounds to punish him.

Why they gave themselves the right to re-evaluate the details of the case when they're the sanctioning committee and not the ruling committee is a case of governance eff up. I think they overstepped their boundaries.

On the case of holding up clenbuterol usage against civil/national laws as opposed to sporting rules is a clever one - of course clenbuterol is not illegal in that context.

But don't forget sports aren't run on civil law or really criminal law (except where the drug is also criminally illegal) people effectively subcontract out detailed rules of sports to international federations like in tennis, soccer, cycling, cricket etc. etc. But the sporting organization bodies just got over-ruled! This, as lawyers would say, is an interesting precedent…

I think some very high-handed politicians got involved here and said "who's Wada, who's the uci, who's the ASO?, we're a bloody country goddamit!"

Doobz

He Speaks


http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... eated.html

Contador is named as part of Saxo Bank's squad for the Tour of the Algarve in Portugal, which starts tomorrow (Wednesday).

The UCI has said that it is awaiting the full dossier from RFEC before making a further decision on the case.

UCI is not gonna do jack Sh|t about this I think..

Pokerface

Edit: I Predict CAS won't do anything to ban him because the case will never go to them.

AndyD2574

WTF??????????????????????????????????????

GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY!!!!!

What a load of old sh1t!!

He takes drugs.......he gets off with it........................mental! :shock:

Alex_Gill

what's confusing me is how this 'article 296' of the UCI regulations was overlooked in the first place.

if Contador's initial defence was that he didn't knowingly eat contaminated meat, shouldn't that have been resolved then, rather than after an appeal? this abrupt u turn comes off the back of nothing new. RFEC look like fools as a result.

iainf72

mattsy666 wrote:

The sample was taken during the TdF tho' so nothing to do with the Spanish fools as such ... surely the rules of the TdF have provision for such instances and the ability to strip him of the title ... and then just let Contandor waste all his own cash contetsing it with WADA/CAS (a case that he won't win ...)

No. The rules state enforcing anti-doping rules is the responsibility of the national federation and other ADA's have to respect what that federation does.

If ASO did anything, or the AFLD even, they would be violating the WADA code.

lochindaal

The UCI may as well say doping is now OK if they let this stand.

AS the governing body that is supposed to represent cycling they have to appeal this.

emadden

Im gonna go against the recent trend on this thread to beat-up Contador and say I am absolutely fricken delighted he has been cleared (for now)... amongst a number of reasons, these two stand out at the moment (and I dont care about the merits of these reasons):

(a) Contador can continue his onward march to topple Lance's TdF victory record... I was depressed thinking that in theory I would have to wait at least three more years for the next contender to get to the present accumulated three in a row; and

(b) I would like to see someone prevent Andy Schleck from winning the TdF, and Contador is the man for that job.

AidanR

Of course. Who better to break the record of a guy with a strong hint of doping suspicion following him around than a guy with a strong hint of doping suspicion following him around?

andrewjoseph

So the Spanish PM supports Contador at the expense of his counties Beef producers.

Maybe he knows something we don't.

redddraggon

I always knew Bertie was innocent

Pokerface

andrewjoseph wrote:

So the Spanish PM supports Contador at the expense of his counties Beef producers.

Maybe he knows something we don't.

I'm pretty sure the beef industry will continue to do just fine. Except in pro cycling circles of course.

andrewjoseph

I expect to hear of lots of riders overdosing on spanish beef.

mattsy666

iainf72 wrote:

mattsy666 wrote:

The sample was taken during the TdF tho' so nothing to do with the Spanish fools as such ... surely the rules of the TdF have provision for such instances and the ability to strip him of the title ... and then just let Contandor waste all his own cash contetsing it with WADA/CAS (a case that he won't win ...)

No. The rules state enforcing anti-doping rules is the responsibility of the national federation and other ADA's have to respect what that federation does.

If ASO did anything, or the AFLD even, they would be violating the WADA code.

Oh well that'll teach them to try and save money on procudural issues rather than using their millions to protect their race/sport ... Never mind, i bet it'll come in handy for a new blouse for a pr girl or something ...

Bunch of idiots ...

andrewjoseph

I spect armstrong has a better opinion of Contador now. He might even make another comeback.

I really don't know whether to laugh or cry.