Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol

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  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
  • northernneil
    northernneil Posts: 1,549
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-could-escape-ban-spanish-newspaper-claims

    strict liability my ars3 then
  • Doobz
    Doobz Posts: 2,800
    Out of curiosity, do riders who are suspended have to undergo doping tests?
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  • The Mechanic
    The Mechanic Posts: 1,277
    All animals are equal but some are obviously more equal than others! If he gets off with this then all the criticism that cycling gets for not taking dope seriously will be proved true.
    I have only two things to say to that; Bo***cks
  • northernneil
    northernneil Posts: 1,549
    The Mechanic wrote:
    All animals are equal but some are obviously more equal than others! If he gets off with this then all the criticism that cycling gets for not taking dope seriously will be proved true.

    +1
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    The Mechanic wrote:
    All animals are equal but some are obviously more equal than others! If he gets off with this then all the criticism that Spanish cycling gets for not taking dope seriously will be proved true.

    Fixed that for you
    Le Blaireau (1)
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    What IF..... he's actually telling the truth? Sure - it's a big IF... but IF he's telling the truth, then under the rules he's entitled to get off.

    I know we are all* cynical about him, but that doesn't mean there isn't the possibility that it was an accident.



    *except FF, of course.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Pokerface wrote:
    What IF..... he's actually telling the truth? Sure - it's a big IF... but IF he's telling the truth, then under the rules he's entitled to get off.

    I know we are all* cynical about him, but that doesn't mean there isn't the possibility that it was an accident.



    *except FF, of course.

    You guys are cynical???? I thought it was only me. I believe you're wrong about FF not being cynical. His comments about other cyclists have just a bit of cynisism in then. Just a bit mind you. Unless of course it's someone he has anointed as a God.
  • bazbadger
    bazbadger Posts: 553
    What I don't get (at this point) is that the four judges on the case apparently based their decision on the case of the German table tennis player Dmitrij Ovtcharov. But he was in China where Clenbuterol has been found to be an issue.

    Am I mistaken in thinking that the same issue has NOT been found yet in Spain? If so, then how on earth can this be a logical decision?

    Perhaps I've missed something, do enlighten me if I have.
    Mens agitat molem
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    And if cleared - he could be racing as soon as Wednesday! :shock:
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    Pokerface wrote:
    What IF..... he's actually telling the truth? Sure - it's a big IF... but IF he's telling the truth, then under the rules he's entitled to get off.

    I know we are all* cynical about him, but that doesn't mean there isn't the possibility that it was an accident.

    If he can provide proof that the meat was contaminated then he should get off. However, so far he's shown no such evidence to either the UCI or WADA so if he does get off then expect them to appeal.

    Meanwhile, Spain's reputation as a dopers paradise is enhanced further.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    andyp wrote:
    Pokerface wrote:
    What IF..... he's actually telling the truth? Sure - it's a big IF... but IF he's telling the truth, then under the rules he's entitled to get off.

    I know we are all* cynical about him, but that doesn't mean there isn't the possibility that it was an accident.

    If he can provide proof that the meat was contaminated then he should get off.

    That is impossible (without the meat at hand). So I would assume the crux of the defence is postulating that the positive couldn't have come from any other source.

    Ironic (moronic?) that the theory that the clen came from meat that was brought in specially on that day and the only other person that was tested on the day is the only person on the team that didn't eat the meat (Vino).... is apparently more plausible than the theory that it came from a blood transfusion!
  • kooky45
    kooky45 Posts: 17
    Surely if he's let off then it's a big slap to the Spanish beef industry. It would be the same as telling everyone that Spanish beef contains banned chemicals but that they're undetectable by international monitoring systems. Every Spanish rider, any rider in the Vuelta, would have to abstain from eating Spanish meat or risk a positive test. That'd be an impossible position for them to support.
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    Tusher wrote:

    +1 Speechless (but not surprised)

    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Doobz wrote:
    Out of curiosity, do riders who are suspended have to undergo doping tests?

    Yes
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Bert getting "cleared" and racing at Algarve?

    I expect to hear someone asking for a sock with some urgency soon.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    This sport is a bloody joke but I still can't get enough of it!

    Hopefully the CAS will do their bit and get him the ban he deserves.
    "I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    129 pages and I suspect we are only halfway through this story :roll:
  • sampras38
    sampras38 Posts: 1,917
    Pokerface wrote:
    Back when this started - there was a story being circulated that someone (an Astana rider?) knew of Contador taking Clen (after the Dauphine?) to shed some extra weight.

    If I have this right - what happened to that story?

    And I'm also very curious as to what happened to the whole story of the plasticizers... Seems to have been swept under the carpet (if it was even ever true).

    I personally think he's guilty as sin, but weren't the plastizers found just a rumour, or at least it was never officially stated they had found evidence of them. Of have I got that wrong? I've read lots of stuff talking about them but nothing seemingly concrete.

    I also think the weight loss/Dauphine thing was also just a rumour.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    A bit more here:
    http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/no ... p?id=35599

    Looks like he may well be riding his usual season opener.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    I wonder if this is all about managing expectations by the Spanish Fed. If Bertie were given a 1 year suspension straight off, people would be outraged and clamour for a longer sanction. However if we're all worked up to expect that Bertie will walk free, then when the Fed give him 12 months it will seem like a more reasonable punishment.

    "When you're expecting a kick in the balls but you get a slap in the face, you tend to regard it as a victory" Ardal O'Hanlon
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    If true, great. So it should be regardless of the rider given the circumstances.

    Looking forward to seeing him race. And obviously he will be crushing everyone if he choses to.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • cajun_cyclist
    cajun_cyclist Posts: 493
    CAS has a way of cracking down on cyclists, think we would see chalk written on the road "Alberto Clenbuterol"? CAS slammed Landis good and despite obvious biases on those claiming Floyd was framed or innocent, it did no good and in fact, they fined him heavily for expenses of the process. The environment in Spain is notoriously lenient on doping, on bribing and match fixing whereas Italy has taken the brunt on the latter.

    http://www.theoffside.com/world-footbal ... -year.html

    CAS sided with WADA in the above though I don't know what the final result of this whole affair was.

    I wonder if CAS is ever lenient in their rulings? I think they have sided with the Athlete before but I believe that was over a salary dispute, doping cases??

    The worst possible situation in our sport occurred last year when Alberto Contador tested positive for a banned substance. To have the highest profile rider in cycling test positive, at the world’s biggest race, once again pollutes the reputation of all cyclists.

    Although this disaster has transpired, we feel another is occurring. Bike Pure believe that in order to maintain trust in the doping system, the sanction protocol should not be changed depending on the status of the athlete.....

    .....

    One law for one, and one law for another – for the same crime is unjust. Compare his treatment to that of Li Fuyu (Radioshack/China) who tested positive for similar minute amounts of the same banned drug.

    http://www.bikeworldnews.com/2011/02/10 ... bike-pure/
  • Marko1962
    Marko1962 Posts: 320
    edited February 2011
    And now it's reported that he is to have his one year ban lifted after appeal according to Sky Sports news...

    I Quote
    'Spanish media say Alberto Contador to have provisional one-year doping ban lifted - Tour De France champion reported to have won appeal to Spanish Cycling Federation'
    http://www.northcheshireclarion.co.uk/

    Join us...
  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    I wish this was unbelievable.
  • bazbadger
    bazbadger Posts: 553
    frenchfighter wrote:
    If true, great. So it should be regardless of the rider given the circumstances..

    Circumstances? It's evidence that is needed to support (or not) the circumstances. And it's evidence that is sorely missing.
    Mens agitat molem
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    edited February 2011
    Not that it says anything new. Just that the story is now making the rounds.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/fe ... ed-cycling
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    Plasticisers, plasticisers, plasticesers.

    There illegality will come too late in this case, but it's pretty damning evidence to me.
  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    Bet Pat McQuaid's relieved.

    Anyone seen ff?
  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    ff.

    I imagine he's staring at a computer screen somewhere, having a Sally moment-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-bsf2x-aeE

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