Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol

DaveyL

sudholz wrote:

Not only has he got good lawyers, he's got damn fine PR to boot.

Floyd and Tyler had both of them too. Did them a fat lot of good when it came to CAS.

Homer J

sounds like they (uci) want to sweep it under the carpet, along with the credibilty(what's left) of the sport

bazbadger

I wonder whether the Ricco episode will help or hinder Contador's case. Doping is in the limelight again and associated with that will be Contador.

Until something concrete comes (for or against) out Contador is still a damage limitation PR job I think.

Anonymous

RichN95 wrote:

dmclite wrote:

surista wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

So, my point is, I never had any info on which to make a judgement on AC. I don't pre-judge based on rumors/gossip, ever.

:P :P :P :P :P

Then clearly you must believe Armstrong is clean. There is no official record of him failing a drug test. Only 'rumors & gossip', which you 'never ever' use to judge people, right?

He's right on that point and seems to have got FF by the cojones with that rationale. :P

Apart from missing the fact that FF was quoting Jon Vaughters, not posting his own opinion.

Aw, cack. Sorry everyone I was quick to condemn there. Mind you FF obviously believs what vaughters said as he put it up for his side of the argument and if not, for what reason ?

RichN95.

sudholz wrote:

Not only has he got good lawyers, he's got damn fine PR to boot.

His PR has been really good. They've created a big cloud of doubt. I didn't realise how good until I read an article in The Times yesterday (by Owen Slot who has written about cycling before), about sportsmen being victims of 'accidental doping' and whether strict liability was fair. It focused on Contador, who was portrayed as an unfortunate victim.

He may not have convinced the regular cycling fans like us, but his story seems to be taking hold in the mainstream media. It (probably) won't help his ban, but it will help his reputation.

nickwill

This may test the UCI's and WADA's mettle. If he's cleared they have to appeal.
The Spanish authorities are already discredited, but this would push things right over the edge.

stevie_90210

People say innocent until proven guilty, and that Contador can't be at fault if the clenbuterol was in the beef.

If you are stopped while driving by the Police in UK, and are found to be over the alcohol limit... if you say it must have been in a supplement or some beef then what do you think would happen there?

andrewjoseph

stevie_90210 wrote:

People say innocent until proven guilty, and that Contador can't be at fault if the clenbuterol was in the beef.

If you are stopped while driving by the Police in UK, and are found to be over the alcohol limit... if you say it must have been in a supplement or some beef then what do you think would happen there?

The police would say, 'oh yeah, I had thought of that'..... ?

BarryBonds

Its all looking suddenly good for contador, the schleckettes must be twitching.

And half the people on here must be frothing how could they ignore your outrage and combined moral scientific and social leadership PMSL

Cmon Contador

iainf72

BarryBonds wrote:

Its all looking suddenly good for contador, the schleckettes must be twitching.

How do you think it's looking good for Contador?

BarryBonds

Spanish PM saying not guilty
Prudholme in Spain
reports of judge Carmen Victoria Lopez sayiong of four reasons for the doping positive transfusion microdosing vit suppliments and contaminated meat only the last could be valid

Id post the link but it doesnt tell me on this app what the link is

theres more too

Lots of pressure from lots iof different parties

BarryBonds

nb prudholme in spain re barcelona candidacy for 2014 start but apparantly impatient for issue to be solved one way or tother.

cyclingnews app so prob on website too

iainf72

BarryBonds wrote:

Lots of pressure from lots iof different parties

What the Spanish say is not relevant. It will be appealed and he will be banned.

The Spanish are just trying to not look bad to the public by banning a local hero.

BarryBonds

twitter super heating imminent

bazbadger

BarryBonds wrote:

Lots of pressure from lots iof different parties

This is a BIG part of the doping issue all along. 'Pressure' should not have a bearing over right or wrong, but of course, it does.

bazbadger

iainf72 wrote:

BarryBonds wrote:

Lots of pressure from lots iof different parties

What the Spanish say is not relevant. It will be appealed and he will be banned.

The Spanish are just trying to not look bad to the public by banning a local hero.

So, in trying not to look bad, they run the risk of looking incompetent, corrupt and irrelevant.

Rock and a hard place.

BarryBonds

well pressure works for Texans why not spaniards.

Anyway its interesting to see this unravelling publically (must work out the spell check)

rick_chasey

bazbadger wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

BarryBonds wrote:

Lots of pressure from lots iof different parties

What the Spanish say is not relevant. It will be appealed and he will be banned.

The Spanish are just trying to not look bad to the public by banning a local hero.

So, in trying not to look bad, they run the risk of looking incompetent, corrupt and irrelevant.

Rock and a hard place.

It's a problem of their own creation, and it's one of the costs of having a sporting 'golden age'.

BarryBonds

I wonder what lengths british cycling would go to in the event that one of their golden boys was caught out on a tenuous issue like this, perhaps they already have..............

Garry H

BarryBonds wrote:

I wonder what lengths british cycling would go to in the event that one of their golden boys was caught out on a tenuous issue like this, perhaps they already have..............

The only thing I would call tenuous is the beef story.

csp

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contado ... overturned

BarryBonds

Excellent news for common sense

iainf72

But he's not been banned yet. How can you overturn something that hasn't happened?

What happens in Spain is just a sideshow.

BarryBonds

but fully prepared to have to list a few in the very near future

andrewjoseph

csp wrote:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-ban-to-be-overturned

This is just what the newspaper believes, it is not fact, yet.

Bertie is disgusted at his treatment. I too am disgusted at the way things have gone, lets have some fair play.

No giving periods of grace before breaking news to world.
No asking the rider what length ban they think is 'fair'.
No reduction of ban for poorly researched excuses.

Lets be fair to bertie, lets apply the rules as they stand, I want to see him cry.

shinyhelmut

bazbadger wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

BarryBonds wrote:

Lots of pressure from lots iof different parties

What the Spanish say is not relevant. It will be appealed and he will be banned.

The Spanish are just trying to not look bad to the public by banning a local hero.

So, in trying not to look bad, they run the risk of looking incompetent, corrupt and irrelevant.

Rock and a hard place.

The Spanish already look incompetent, corrupt and irrelevant so they don't really have much to lose do they?

DaveyL

BarryBonds wrote:

but fully prepared to have to list a few in the very near future

Presumably you believe Bert is innocent. If so, on what evidence is that based?

bazbadger

Where is Biking Bernie when you need him? Surely some kind of graph is needed to clear this one up once and for all...

blazing_saddles

We'll here's one Clebuterol case that WADA won't be taking to CAS:
http://www.ettu.org/news_view.php?id=3564

Although what this means, I know not.
The athlete could conclusively point out that the most probable explanation for this test result was that Clenbuterol entered his body without his knowledge through food intake during his stay in China at the China Open, or on his trip to and from there.

dulldave

Apparently the Spanish federation are ruling out a blood transfusion on the basis of his blood passport. Bit of a leap to draw that conclusion expecially given recent events.