Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol
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Rightly or wrongly - I see the tide turning for Bertie now. Some way, somehow.... I think he's going to skate on this, even after UCI/WADA appeals to CAS.0
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Pokerface wrote:Rightly or wrongly - I see the tide turning for Bertie now. Some way, somehow.... I think he's going to skate on this, even after UCI/WADA appeals to CAS.
Even that is doubtful, reading today's ETTU release I posted above.
I don't know how the Spanish can rule out a transfusion based on his BP though.
Blimey, if that skates, the passport really is the doper's friend.
Meanwhile.............
The Spanish cops go on a fishing expedition by raiding an illegal abattoir in Leon:
http://www.diariodeleon.com/noticias/no ... kid=584093
It does look as if things are swinging around.
Frenchie may soon be reaching climax."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I couldn't make this up if I tried.0
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BarryBonds wrote:twitter super heating imminent
Well, you were right about one thing, at leastLe Blaireau (1)0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:
It does look as if things are swinging around.
Frenchie may soon be reaching climax.
Depends what you're reading, doesn't it?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110211/sp ... ngcontador?
In what appeared to be a reaction to Contador's blast, UCI spokesman Enrico Carpani said Friday: "We have full confidence that when the Spanish federation makes its decision it will have done so in a composed manner."
He hinted that despite the uncertainty over Contador's positive -- only minute traces of clenbuterol, not enough to enhance his performance in itself, were found -- the UCI would show no quarter, reminding media that a clenbuterol positive usually leads to a two-year ban.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
I thought I read it was an Oil Tanker starting to turn.Pokerface wrote:Rightly or wrongly - I see the tide turning for Bertie now. Some way, somehow.... I think he's going to skate on this, even after UCI/WADA appeals to CAS.
I'm on the fence with this and all the vitriolic on this thread hasn't pushed me one way or tother.
I take into account that he is an ex Disco rider (and elsewhere) and is a bit naive in what he says.
It is a trace element that was located by very in depth specialised examination by a laboratory that had nothing to do with the Tour of France. Therefore he didn't fail a Tour Test taken by the other riders. (time for the vigilante's to start again)
The joke of about a year ago was that Texan money would be arranged to stop AC from winning. (or don't you remember that)
I see a photo earlier on this thread with money changing hands.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
deejay wrote:It is a trace element that was located by very in depth specialised examination by a laboratory that had nothing to do with the Tour of France. Therefore he didn't fail a Tour Test taken by the other riders. (time for the vigilante's to start again)
What? The UCI sent the urine to the lab to be tested as part of the Tour testing.
To be frank, these rationalisations are as pathetic as "I'm the most tested athlete in history". No one noticed that not even Bert has disputed there was clen in his pee?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
BarryBonds wrote:I wonder what lengths british cycling would go to in the event that one of their golden boys was caught out on a tenuous issue like this, perhaps they already have..............
Review the case of skier/cyclist Alain Baxter to see what the British authorities did/would do.0 -
Cyclopath wrote:Review the case of skier/cyclist Alain Baxter to see what the British authorities did/would do.
Baxter was very different. He still had the offending product, he had the receipt for it and he had a letter from Vicks confirming that the US and UK recipies were different.
Contador doesn't have any of that. Just the excuse.
Also Baxter lost his medal and got a short ban. He was also judged by the International governing body, the ISF, not UK Sport.
Apart from being wrong in every way possible, that was a good point.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:Cyclopath wrote:Review the case of skier/cyclist Alain Baxter to see what the British authorities did/would do.
Baxter was very different. He still had the offending product, he had the receipt for it and he had a letter from Vicks confirming that the US and UK recipies were different.
Contador doesn't have any of that. Just the excuse.
I thought they had the receipt
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RichN95 wrote:Doobz wrote:I thought they had the receipt
OK, may be he had receipt. I've got a receipt for beef in my pocket right now.
Yea.. I am sure they found the reciept in the end.. Who knows if it was legit or not..
I wonder if it was sirloin or rump..
You keeping that receipt just in-case you need a refund?
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RichN95 wrote:Cyclopath wrote:Review the case of skier/cyclist Alain Baxter to see what the British authorities did/would do.
Baxter was very different. He still had the offending product, he had the receipt for it and he had a letter from Vicks confirming that the US and UK recipies were different.
Contador doesn't have any of that. Just the excuse.
Also Baxter lost his medal and got a short ban. He was also judged by the International governing body, the ISF, not UK Sport.
Apart from being wrong in every way possible, that was a good point.
Not wrong.
It was not a statement of fact, merely an invitation to consider the Brit position in that case, as a guide to what might happen in a case similar to Alberto Clentador's.0 -
Cyclopath wrote:Cyclopath wrote:Review the case of skier/cyclist Alain Baxter to see what the British authorities did/would do.
Not wrong.
It was not a statement of fact, merely an invitation to consider the Brit position in that case, as a guide to what might happen in a case similar to Alberto Clentador's.
You said review the Baxter case to see what the Brits would do. But the Brits were never involved in that case. You might have well cited Ben Johnson or Charlie Sheen for all it's relevance.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:Cyclopath wrote:Cyclopath wrote:Review the case of skier/cyclist Alain Baxter to see what the British authorities did/would do.
Not wrong.
It was not a statement of fact, merely an invitation to consider the Brit position in that case, as a guide to what might happen in a case similar to Alberto Clentador's.
You said review the Baxter case to see what the Brits would do. But the Brits were never involved in that case. You might have well cited Ben Johnson or Charlie Sheen for all it's relevance.
Can I refer you to BarryBonds muse that I quoted.
'I wonder what british cycling would do .... etcetera.'
What the Brits did was argue the case, in as much as that was possible, then accepted the situation and Alain Baxter's ban from competition.
I suspect that if Cav or Wiggins were to be involved in an unsavoury situation that British cycling would do likewise.0 -
Cyclopath wrote:Can I refer you to BarryBonds muse that I quoted.
'I wonder what british cycling would do .... etcetera.'
What the Brits did was argue the case, in as much as that was possible, then accepted the situation and Alain Baxter's ban from competition.
I suspect that if Cav or Wiggins were to be involved in an unsavoury situation that British cycling would do likewise.
He had access to a BOA lawyer, that's all. Everyone deserves a lawyer. You're claiming it shows what British authorities would do (disregarding his perfect alibi) in judgement. But they weren't judging this case.
One year later did David Millar, Britain's only Tour cyclist, get favourable treatment? He didn't even fail a test.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:Cyclopath wrote:Can I refer you to BarryBonds muse that I quoted.
'I wonder what british cycling would do .... etcetera.'
What the Brits did was argue the case, in as much as that was possible, then accepted the situation and Alain Baxter's ban from competition.
I suspect that if Cav or Wiggins were to be involved in an unsavoury situation that British cycling would do likewise.
He had access to a BOA lawyer, that's all. Everyone deserves a lawyer. You're claiming it shows what British authorities would do (disregarding his perfect alibi) in judgement. But they weren't judging this case.
One year later did David Millar, Britain's only Tour cyclist, get favourable treatment? He didn't even fail a test.
Are you mis-understanding what I am saying?
I have made no claims and have not suggested that they were sitting in judgement of anyone or anything.
What I said above is quite clear.
I believe that the authorities would defend the individual where they could and then accept the outcome. As happened with Baxter.
Fair play and all that.0 -
Cyclopath wrote:RichN95 wrote:Cyclopath wrote:Can I refer you to BarryBonds muse that I quoted.
'I wonder what british cycling would do .... etcetera.'
What the Brits did was argue the case, in as much as that was possible, then accepted the situation and Alain Baxter's ban from competition.
I suspect that if Cav or Wiggins were to be involved in an unsavoury situation that British cycling would do likewise.
He had access to a BOA lawyer, that's all. Everyone deserves a lawyer. You're claiming it shows what British authorities would do (disregarding his perfect alibi) in judgement. But they weren't judging this case.
One year later did David Millar, Britain's only Tour cyclist, get favourable treatment? He didn't even fail a test.
Are you mis-understanding what I am saying?
I have made no claims and have not suggested that they were sitting in judgement of anyone or anything.
What I said above is quite clear.
I believe that the authorities would defend the individual where they could and then accept the outcome. As happened with Baxter.
Fair play and all that.
Rich, you're totally missing his point. He was just using it as an example from which a comparison could be drawn. It is really clear if you go back and read it again.Scottish and British...and a bit French0 -
Doh, What a silly billy I am. :roll:iainf72 wrote:deejay wrote:It is a trace element that was located by very in depth specialised examination by a laboratory that had nothing to do with the Tour of France. Therefore he didn't fail a Tour Test taken by the other riders. (time for the vigilante's to start again)
What? The UCI sent the urine to the lab to be tested as part of the Tour testing.
I hadn't realised that all the Tour de France riders were tested in Koln.
My understanding is, he was targeted (witch hunt in fact) for very in depth specialised testing. (and I'm stilll wondering which Budget paid for it)
If you want me to be as bombastic as yourself and others on this thread, you will have to give all the details of all the 2010 Tour de France Tour riders who were tested in Koln. (at least 150 needed I would think to show how wrong I am)
Steady my son, or you will spill your coffee.
You see 2500 replies to this thread and they still argue over such a small trivial result.
CHAD says (you must remember him sitting on the wall) "now which way do I fall"Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
deejay wrote:
Doh, What a silly billy I am. :roll:iainf72 wrote:deejay wrote:It is a trace element that was located by very in depth specialised examination by a laboratory that had nothing to do with the Tour of France. Therefore he didn't fail a Tour Test taken by the other riders. (time for the vigilante's to start again)
What? The UCI sent the urine to the lab to be tested as part of the Tour testing.
I hadn't realised that all the Tour de France riders were tested in Koln.
My understanding is, he was targeted (witch hunt in fact) for very in depth specialised testing. (and I'm stilll wondering which Budget paid for it)
If you want me to be as bombastic as yourself and others on this thread, you will have to give all the details of all the 2010 Tour de France Tour riders who were tested in Koln. (at least 150 needed I would think to show how wrong I am)
Steady my son, or you will spill your coffee.
You see 2500 replies to this thread and they still argue over such a small trivial result.
CHAD says (you must remember him sitting on the wall) "now which way do I fall"
Uh-oh, looks like BikingBernie (god rest his soul) is going to have to hand over "le tinfoil 'at jaune", we have a new winner in the conspiracy loon stakes.
In exactly what was it bad for an athlete to get caught with a banned substance in their system? Are you a fan of the doe-eyed boremeister as well as FF?Le Blaireau (1)0 -
More indication of leanings towards skating free?:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/carpani ... tador-case
Suppose you can read it either way - but it gives ME the impression they are going to let him walk free due to his lawyers making some very convincing arguments.0 -
Pokerface wrote:More indication of leanings towards skating free?:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/carpani ... tador-case
Suppose you can read it either way - but it gives ME the impression they are going to let him walk free due to his lawyers making some very convincing arguments.
Hmmm. Well, if he does go free without supporting evidence in his favour then he is going to be tainted... So far it's just postulation. Will he loose respect within the peloton ?
I can't help thinking about 'chaingate' and his seemingly "oh my, did I do something?" attitude and how interviews about this episode suggest a similar thing "Clen? what's that again? Oh right." Maybe he really is that innocent.Mens agitat molem0 -
Diario de León - by F. Ramos SEPRONA (Servicio de Protección de la Naturaleza) of the Guardia Civil has seized 18,600 kilos of meat, arrested six people and charged two with crimes against public health
From 4,000 to 18,600 kilos. That’s how much “past-expiration, unlabeled, inadequately-labeled and falsely- or deceptively-labeled (to hinder traceability)” meat has in the end been confiscated by the agents of Seprona, in cooperation with the Board of Health of Castilla y León.
The investigation, begun last December, has already triggered the first six arrests, all of whom are residents of León between the ages of 26 and 45. Two of them, although the government subdelegation did not name names in its press release, are implicated in various acts of criminal fraud, against public health and of falsification.
In spite of this important takeover of goods, the agents who have carried out the operation, which is called “Almarcar,” have reported to the León Board of Health that they have proof that part of the meat was unable to be recovered and was sold commercially in the regional capital, specifically in a certain hotel, various restaurants and butcher shops.
Precisely this certainty, according to investigation sources accessible to Diario de León, is what caused both of the detainees to be charged with a crime against public health. Moreover, it is known for a fact that the people and businesses investigated were selling meat to various establishments in the catering industry. Therefore, the investigation itself and the Heath department have sent out a reassuring message since they understand that there has been no danger of food contamination.
Origin and destination
The Board has in its possession all inspection reports, which contain verification of necessary paperwork, traceability and purported origin and destination of all meat—from cattle, sheep and pigs. At present, work is underway for the precise purpose of determining the place of origin and intended destination of the confiscated meat.
At the same time, the board has opened an internal investigation into what part of the control system has failed, resulting in the inability to spot the meat which had passed its expiration date sooner. “We have to know exactly where it has failed,” explained territorial delegate Eduardo Fernández, ”because certainly much of this meat had all the regulations at the initial period, although it’s clear that something has not been done properly,” Eduardo Fernández told Diario de León.
Seprona identified a slaughterhouse and clandestine sorting room, where they killed animals “without any sanitary controls and fraudulently created channels to simulate inspection,” explained the government subdelegation in a press release published yesterday. The Board, on the other hand, stated that when a record of the homes of the various detainees was made, no illegal slaughterhouse turned up.
At any rate, the investigation remains open and the possibility of more arrests is not ruled out. Magistrate court No. 5, which handles the case, has ordered secret proceedings.Contador is the Greatest0 -
The German table tennis federation announced today that WADA will not appeal the case of Dimitrij Ovtcharov.Contador is the Greatest0
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La Gaceta - by J. Iglesias and L. Valladares - In the proposed resolution by the Competition Committee to sanction Alberto Contador for one year of eligibility, it is shown that the cyclist “went through seven consecutive controls at the Tour, producing positive results on July 21, 2010 (50 pg/ml), July 22 (16 pg/ml), July 24 (7 pg/ml) and July 25 (17 pg/ml).”
It’s worth noting that there were four anomalous results and, especially, that the last figure was higher than those of the three previous days, the rates of which fell progressively.
Nevertheless, this all has an explanation. Alberto Contador’s defense was pressured to prove scientifically the reason for this succession of concentrations in the urine. These facts could have two origins: successive microdoses of clenbuterol (doping), or a sole dose, the residues of which appear as a consequence of the normal half-life of the drug (the tenderloin theory claimed by the Pinteño).
So La Gaceta contacted the prestigious Spanish professor at the University of Tennessee who works for the cyclist’s defense team, Tomás Martín-Jiménez, who argued for the explanation of the contaminated meat.
“The first option is virtually impossible. If you evaluate the type of dose that would be necessary to obtain something like that, the doses would be so extremely small (much much smaller that what would be contained in a contaminated filet) that not only would it have no effect on a person, but it would be virtually impossible to prepare,” the scientist summarized in regard to the possibility of doping.
In reference to the explanation of the four positives, Tomás Martín-Jiménez says that “the concentrations of the following days are consistent with the half-life of the clenbuterol after it’s ingested.” Furthermore, he insists that the elevation of the final day is “not significant."
"In pharmacokinetics, in concentrations approaching the limit of the quantification of the procedure, oscillations exist that are nothing more than the consequence of the procedure’s margin of error. Accuracy diminishes as the concentrations near the limit of the procedure, and this is the case in the last control.”
He added that the procedure used in the Cologne laboratory is quantitative rather than qualitative, which means that it makes a rough estimate of the concentrations. This means that the margin of error is greater still.Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:The German table tennis federation announced today that WADA will not appeal the case of Dimitrij Ovtcharov.
Didn't he get his meat from China, where this has found to be an issue?
If this investigation you mention finds Clen, then maybe Alberto's story is not so far fetched after all. But given that they had the 'receipt' then surely tracing should not be too hard?Mens agitat molem0 -
RFEC final decision should be out Monday or Tuesday at the latest according to newspapers today...Contador is the Greatest0
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Nope, I cannot say I'm a really big fan as my assesment of him is predudiced because of his time with Discovery. :roll:DaveyL wrote:iainf72 wrote:What? etc, etc.deejay wrote:
I hadn't realised that all the Tour de France riders were tested in Koln.
My understanding is, he was targeted (witch hunt in fact) for very in depth specialised testing. (and I'm stilll wondering which Budget paid for it)
If you want me to be as bombastic as yourself and others on this thread, you will have to give all the details of all the 2010 Tour de France Tour riders who were tested in Koln. (at least 150 needed I would think to show how wrong I am)
Steady my son, or you will spill your coffee.
You see 2500 replies to this thread and they still argue over such a small trivial result.
CHAD says (you must remember him sitting on the wall) "now which way do I fall"
we have a new winner in the conspiracy loon stakes.
In exactly what was it bad for an athlete to get caught with a banned substance in their system? Are you a fan of the doe-eyed boremeister as well as FF?
with the first part of your post, I've already stated my case by having read most of the 2500 posts on this thread which sound very cut & dried.
All things are possible but not with this testing by the Koln Lab.
To me this result shows how "Clean" he is and I cannot understand the bigotry by you and the other vigilante's.
When he really gets caught with a negative, then I will join you and I think this case proves nothing.
I will spill your coffee again with this next question.
This Trace element found at Koln. : Could it be a left over from his time at Discovery. :?: :shock:
Now that should be good for another 1000 posts. :roll:Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720
