Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol
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Kléber wrote:I got a lead that some Spanish cyclists were using blood replacements that were derived from bovine blood, and that it was possible that the source of the contamination was from this. Only it turns out that this looks to be related to the case of Mosquera and Sevilla, the hydroexthyl starch could well be used in conjunction with bovine haemoglobin, a vetinary product called Hemopure. So it could make sense for Mosquera but maybe Contador was either a bad steak, weight loss or blood doping.
Just guessing I suspect Contador had his blood pouches screened for contaminants and got the all clear. Only the sneaky Cologne lab was able to detect a much finer level that the screening lab and so he was rumbled. Just as guess.Kléber wrote:The allegations are this stuff is selling like hotcakes:
Note the bovine reference. At the time everyone was saying "it's steak" and "it's blood doping" but this product ticks both options. Like I say, don't look too hard at the Contador case but be vigilant for other techniques in Spain.
Check out Jacshckhse's (sp?) comments on synthetic hemoglobin.
http://freepdfhosting.com/90ef67a4f8.pdfpb21 wrote:Surely that would be easy to detect?!
You'd think it would be easy to distinguish between synthetic Hb and the real deal, yes. The WADA report spoke of (not enough?) HBOC testing and this study from 2004 shows that these products are indeed detectable in blood samples.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14764640steve_pushbiker wrote:Wasn't there an allegation that the Biopure product was the stuff that the Chicken asked a mate to bring over from the US after telling him the box contained cycling shoes. The friend realised something was suspect and poured it down the drain, much to the Chicken's chagrin ("do you know how much that stuff costs?" etc.)
Yes, The Chicken allegedly ordered Hemopure.According to a multiply-sourced VeloNews[13] article published on 20 July 2007, mountain bike racer Whitney Richards accused Rasmussen of trying to get him to transport a box, which Rasmussen had told Richards contained his favourite cycling shoes, to his training base in Italy in early 2002. The box turned out to contain packets of Hemopure, a bovine-hemoglobin-based blood substitute which is not currently approved for human use outside South Africa and did not become commercially available there until January 2006, and which might potentially have been used in a doping program. At the time there was no screening test for Hemopure; it is, however, banned by the WADA. Richards said he destroyed the Hemopure, at which Rasmussen is said to have grown angry and said to Richards "Have you any idea how much that shit cost?"[14]
A second journalist[15] confirmed that Richards had related the same story to him over two years ago, off the record, and claims that the incident is the one described in the epilogue of journalist David Walsh's recent book From Lance to Landis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Rasmussen
Oxyglobin is what messed up Manzano.On the morning of the seventh stage of the Tour, the team doctor gave him a product that he had never used before. Fifty millilitres were injected into one of his veins. On the first climb of the day, Col de Portes, Manzano and Richard Virenque attacked the peloton and got away in an attempt to bridge up to an earlier breakaway. As Virenque’s teammate was ahead, Virenque did not do any of the work to get to the group. After three kilometres of the climb, Manzano began to become dizzy. Virenque attacked and got away. Manzano collapsed after a further 500 metres and was airlifted to the hospital in Belley.[6] According to Manzano, the team manager Joan Mas asked Manzano to refuse all analysis at the hospital. Manzano would later say that the drug that was administered on the morning of the seventh stage of the Tour de France was Oxyglobin.[7]
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I buy a lot of bovine blood professionally, but have recently switched to equine blood.
The mosquitoes I feed it to prefer the horse blood and produce more eggs when fed it. You do have to be careful to check what the donor animal has been given. A perfectly legal veterinary product nearly killed all the mosquitoes that feed on the blood a while back.
It never cesses to amaze me the lengths some people will, allegedly, go to to gain a performance advantage. I can sort of see how you could inject your own stored blood, or even someone else's, but processed blood extracts of another species? I find eating black pudding hard enough.0 -
I wouldn't shout about your strange occupation/hobby if I was you. You'll have all the cycling junkies knocking at your door.Term1te wrote:I buy a lot of bovine blood professionally, but have recently switched to equine blood.
The mosquitoes I feed it to prefer the horse blood and produce more eggs when fed it. You do have to be careful to check what the donor animal has been given. A perfectly legal veterinary product nearly killed all the mosquitoes that feed on the blood a while back.
It never cesses to amaze me the lengths some people will, allegedly, go to to gain a performance advantage. I can sort of see how you could inject your own stored blood, or even someone else's, but processed blood extracts of another species? I find eating black pudding hard enough.
Would Equine blood make you any faster - compared to say Bovine?? ;-)
Re black pudding - its the fatty bits I dislike.Can I upgrade???0 -
It's not difficult at all if you consider the other efforts involved in pro-level endurance sport.Term1te wrote:It never cesses to amaze me the lengths some people will, allegedly, go to to gain a performance advantage. I can sort of see how you could inject your own stored blood, or even someone else's, but processed blood extracts of another species? I find eating black pudding hard enough.0 -
13 year old German swimmer has tested positive for Clenbuterol. His mum says it was in cough syrup...
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6327/ ... terol.aspx0 -
Well she has my sympathy.NapoleonD wrote:13 year old German swimmer has tested positive for Clenbuterol. His mum says it was in cough syrup...
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6327/ ... terol.aspx
My wife also didn't believe me when I told her the ear drops I recently used were the cause of my herpesCan I upgrade???0 -
NapoleonD wrote:13 year old German swimmer has tested positive for Clenbuterol. His mum says it was in cough syrup...
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6327/ ... terol.aspx
Also the 14YO diver who refused a dope test.
I wonder if German tv will cancel all their coverage of swimming or pull the plug :P on any sponsorship, as a result?...............No?..............I thought not."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Does swimming get much tv coverage in Germany? It's hard to pull coverage/sponsorship from a sport which gets no coverage/sponsorship.
It is worrying though that 13/14year old kids are involved, although anyone who's read "the death of Marco Pantani" shouldn't be surprised.0 -
Delgado thinks Contador won't escape a ban:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/delgado-contador-is-going-to-be-punished
And Basque farmers are revolting, but their meat is kosher:
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6332/Basque-government-denies-suggestions-that-its-meat-could-be-the-source-of-Contadors-positive-test.aspx0 -
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I see your:victorponf wrote:
and raise it to:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=142450265411265667#
Scorchio! 8)0 -
So he's got the receipt...
http://politiken.dk/sport/cykling/ECE11 ... dopingboef
And through google translate, for all of you non Scandies:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=da&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpolitiken.dk%2Fsport%2Fcykling%2FECE1109951%2Fcontador-har-kvittering-for-den-famoese-dopingboef%2FWarning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Apparently he got it from the same place the UCI got their receipt for the Sysmex machine.
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I have a receipt for steak I bought in Morrisons at the weekend. Proves jack shite though that it wasn't contaminated with anything.
Grabbing at straws and he's pissing off a lot of Spanish farmers.0 -
Oh, it's from a geniune Danish newspaper.
And not The Daily Mash.0 -
Ahhhh tush the leeetle ginger freckled lovely is still here
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No tA Doctor wrote:So he's got the receipt...
http://politiken.dk/sport/cykling/ECE11 ... dopingboef
And through google translate, for all of you non Scandies:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=da&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpolitiken.dk%2Fsport%2Fcykling%2FECE1109951%2Fcontador-har-kvittering-for-den-famoese-dopingboef%2F
" the holder of the yellow tights"
Gasping - but somehow still alive !0 -
BarryBonds wrote:Ahhhh tush the leeetle ginger freckled lovely is still here
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Dam my covers blown ill soon be banned again
She's like the Scots Mata Hari is our Tush. No secret is safe
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Strava is not Zen.0 -
Leaked WADA report shows no traces of clenbuterol infected meat at the butcher's in Irun or the abbatoir they use;
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-bl ... at-defence0 -
Make sure the door doesn't hit your arse on the way out, Bert.Le Blaireau (1)0
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The report also says WADA believes there is no way the Clenbuterol came from meat, it's not just a local Spanish food health thing, the organisation has blown his defence out of the water.0
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Ok. You are a butcher. You sold someone some meat. It was clembuterolled up. High profile case. Testers will come knocking.
You have two choices:
Do nothing. 3 months later have your meat tested. Get a fine or whatever the penalty will be.
Get rid of all the tainted meat. Inform your supplier to get rid of his meat. 3 months later have your meat tested. Nothing found. You can continue as usual.
I know what I'd do assuming I was guilty.Contador is the Greatest0 -
In an article appearing yesterday in QUENONINO, *Dr.Tomás Martín-Jiménez, a doctor in veterinary pharmacology on the faculty of the Universtiy of Tennessee-Knoxville Institute of Agriculture’s College of Veterinary Medicine, commented on his in-depth analysis of Contador’s case and fully supported the argument for the defense of the Tour winner.
“What Contador says is perfectly possible. With a 200-gram fillet coming from an animal treated with clenbuterol, it is possible to find the percentage that they detected in his urine on the following day. And that is not speculation,” maintained the professional.
Martín-Jiménez, a 47-year-old native of Madrid, clarified that he's not acquainted with Contador or his milieu, and that he’s not a cycling fan: “Actually, I’m more interested in soccer. I coach kids. I’ve lived in the USA for many years, but I’m still interested in everything that goes on in Spain.”
He explained why he investigated the case of his compatriot: “The truth is that Contador's news has had plenty of international repercussions and I conducted the study a month ago because I’m a specialist in the pharmacology of drug and chemical residue in animals’ bodies, which is why his case goes straight to the core of my specialty.”
Tomás Martín-Jiménez was forceful with his final message and pointed to the Spanish competitor’s argument as valid. “I deny myself believing or not believing something. As a scientist, I can’t allow myself that luxury. The only thing that I can do is to analyze data and declare that the thesis that Contador lays out would be technically possible. I’ll leave drawing conclusions to others,” ended the specialist in the matter.
In conclusion, the Secretary of State for Sport, Jaime Lissavetzky, expressed that the Pinto-born cyclist “has a great deal of inner strength and deep mental reserves.” (Quenonino, November 13, 2010)
*Tomás Martín-Jiménez is a Spanish-born veterinarian who is a tenured professor at the University of Tennessee at Knoxville.
Martín-Jiménez took his D.V.M. from the University of Madrid, followed by a Ph.D from North Carolina State University. He is a diplomate of both the European College of Veterinary Pharmacology and Toxicology and the American College of Veterinary Clinical Pharmacology. His research has been published numerous times in peer-reviewed journals such as JAVMA, the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association.
Martín-Jiménez lists his professional interests as follows:
A) Dose adjustment in special animal populations or under special therapeutic conditions. Assessing the sources of variability in drug disposition and residue depletion in animal populations through the application of population pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic techniques.
Assessment of the risks associated with human exposure to environmental pollutants through the application of physiologically-based pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic modeling.
C) Study of the association between drug exposure and the emergence of bacterial resistance in animal populations under different dosage regimen conditions.Contador is the Greatest0 -
I'm done here. Check the sig.Contador is the Greatest0
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Perhaps the butcher could be dodgy but the point is WADA has looked at food samples across Europe, this isn't just about the local supply chain.
To imagine a pro cyclist just happens to eat the one contaminated steak in Europe bang in the middle of the Tour de France... well I admire your faith 8)0 -
Still in the denial phase eh?Le Blaireau (1)0
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PlusWADA says that it has tested meat from the butcher’s shop in Irún in northern Spain where Contador’s steak was bought and found no traces of clenbuterol. Similar tests at the abattoir that supplies the Irún butcher’s also found no trace of clenbuterol use.
= ScrewedWADA is also reported to have supplied a report from the European Union into the analysis of almost 300,000 meat samples that were tested during 2008. Only a single sample showed even the possibility of contamination with clenbuterolMañana0 -
frenchfighter wrote:I'm done here. Check the sig.
So you've deducted Contador's TdF win from your sig?___________________
Strava is not Zen.0 -
I have been following this thread on and off since the news emerged but what I am still not clear on is why the authorities only seem to be going after Contador for the Clenbuterol when, at one point, there was supposedly evidence of an autologous blood transfusion.
The Clenbuterol may or may not have been ingested accidentally and that's the angle I'd expect Contadors legal advisors to take however a blood transfusion is a pretty deliberate and premeditated action. Could anyone enlighten me why they aren't pursuing this angle too?0
