Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol
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meggiedude wrote:
The UCI are currently fannying about trying to stop another case of the highest profile rider ruining their race profile. At the moment that means having one rule for Bertie, and another for anyone else caught with their pants down and a neddle stuck in their bum.
How are they fannying about? They were waiting for some information from WADA, recieved it and asked the Spanish authorities to open a case?
They've not covered themselves with glory but they process is going ahead, no?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
The UCI and WADA aren't going to hand over half-baked files to the Spanish, if they are asking for the Spanish to prosecute then they have to be confident. Still this is the UCI and anything is possible, although the positive A and B samples and the black-and-white rules means this is a lot different from the bio passport and curly-haired Italians.
It's up to the Spanish now. I think that precisely because they dragged their heels with Valverde that they can't do this now, any more unwillingness to act against True Cheats risks inviting real trouble at inter-governmental levels.0 -
My point about 'fannying about' (aside from the fact I like the phrase :-) ) is if this was a domestique we were talking about here it'll have been sorted weeks ago, we'll all have talked about about it down the pub, and 'it'll have been old history by now.iainf72 wrote:meggiedude wrote:
The UCI are currently fannying about trying to stop another case of the highest profile rider ruining their race profile. At the moment that means having one rule for Bertie, and another for anyone else caught with their pants down and a neddle stuck in their bum.
How are they fannying about? They were waiting for some information from WADA, recieved it and asked the Spanish authorities to open a case?
They've not covered themselves with glory but they process is going ahead, no?
The UCI are finally churning the gears, but I still stick by the point that they have fanny'd about for more than a while because it was Contador.
I agree with your second point.Can I upgrade???0 -
But if it was a domestique, they'd not have the resources (ie, money) Contador has at his disposal. He can probably pay more for legal advise than the UCI can, so the UCI / WADA need to be sure.
So yes, it might have been because it was Contador, but if you look at their accounts and how much money for all things legal, Bert could outspend them. I expect if Chinny ever gets nabbed it would be much the same.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Let's just hope that the Spanish authorities get this done and dusted as soon as. Although given the Valverde farce it wouldn't entirely surprise me if he got off ...0
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iainf72 wrote:But if it was a domestique, they'd not have the resources (ie, money) Contador has at his disposal. He can probably pay more for legal advise than the UCI can, so the UCI / WADA need to be sure.
So yes, it might have been because it was Contador, but if you look at their accounts and how much money for all things legal, Bert could outspend them. I expect if Chinny ever gets nabbed it would be much the same.
You think the UCI are short of a few bob??? - come on!!
Lets all have a whip-around for them if thats the case.
Their rules are clear, it should not matter how much the briefs are paid.Can I upgrade???0 -
meggiedude wrote:
You think the UCI are short of a few bob??? - come on!!
Lets all have a whip-around for them if thats the case.
Their rules are clear, it should not matter how much the briefs are paid.
That's a nice idealistic view of the world. The UCI do make provision for legal fee's in anti-doping cases but imagine how much it'll cost to go up against Pellizotti and Contador if you needed to go to CAS.
If you were in charge of the UCI's cash, and someone wanted you to spend 20% of your cash on a doping case, would you do it?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:If you were in charge of the UCI's cash, and someone wanted you to spend 20% of your cash on a doping case, would you do it?
Given the profile in this case? Absolutely. Otherwise there is little point in having a governing body.0 -
Rocksteadyeddie wrote:Given the profile in this case? Absolutely. Otherwise there is little point in having a governing body.
The problem being that 20% prosecuting Contador and 20% fighting Pelizotti's compensation claim and suddenly you have a bankrupt UCI who can't afford to test anyone.0 -
Juan Carlos Castano wrote:"Anything could happen, from the investigation being closed, because it can be shown there are no reasons for a sanction, to a simple reprimand or a suspension of two years as a maximum.
"Alberto called me to tell me that he had also received the emails [from the UCI]. When I spoke to him today he was not in very good spirits, but that's normal when there is something pending for so long. At least now he knows that the procedure is in process and he can defend himself.
"Personally, as president of the federation, I hope that the case is resolved in favour of the cyclist for many reasons; because I've known him since he was a boy, because I've spent many years in the Madrid federation and have been through all the categories, and he is from Madrid. I can't help but have empathy with Alberto Contador.
"I would like things to turn out well, but now it has to be the competition committee who will study all this and resolve it in the way it considers most just."
Castano is the President of the Spanish Federation.0 -
I suppose Contador is going to have a hotline to Castano but all the same, this reeks of favouritism. At best you'd think Castano would keep his feelings to himself rather than trotting out the old "I've known him since he was a boy" tales.0
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Does the UCI have the power to do anything in the event that the Spanish Federation find no question to answer?
If the UCI win then the CAS has the ability to award costs so funding should not be an issue.0 -
The UCI can appeal. They clearly think there's a case and it's up to the Spanish to review things. If the UCI or WADA believes the Spanish guys take a strange line they they will take them to court, just as they did with True Cheat Valverde.0
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Kléber wrote:The UCI can appeal. They clearly think there's a case and it's up to the Spanish to review things. If the UCI or WADA believes the Spanish guys take a strange line they they will take them to court, just as they did with True Cheat Valverde.
I can see this dragging out for years now with Contador riding under a cloud before some court finally upholds his ban å la Valverde.
So Kleber - what was this news story you alluded to ages ago that when it came out we would all think "ah, now it makes sense"?0 -
I got a lead that some Spanish cyclists were using blood replacements that were derived from bovine blood, and that it was possible that the source of the contamination was from this. Only it turns out that this looks to be related to the case of Mosquera and Sevilla, the hydroexthyl starch could well be used in conjunction with bovine haemoglobin, a vetinary product called Hemopure. So it could make sense for Mosquera but maybe Contador was either a bad steak, weight loss or blood doping.Pokerface wrote:So Kleber - what was this news story you alluded to ages ago that when it came out we would all think "ah, now it makes sense"?
Just guessing I suspect Contador had his blood pouches screened for contaminants and got the all clear. Only the sneaky Cologne lab was able to detect a much finer level that the screening lab and so he was rumbled. Just as guess.0 -
Kléber wrote:
I got a lead that some Spanish cyclists were using blood replacements that were derived from bovine blood, and that it was possible that the source of the contamination was from this. Only it turns out that this looks to be related to the case of Mosquera and Sevilla, the hydroexthyl starch could well be used in conjunction with bovine haemoglobin, a vetinary product called Hemopure. So it could make sense for Mosquera but maybe Contador was either a bad steak, weight loss or blood doping.Pokerface wrote:So Kleber - what was this news story you alluded to ages ago that when it came out we would all think "ah, now it makes sense"?
Just guessing I suspect Contador had his blood pouches screened for contaminants and got the all clear. Only the sneaky Cologne lab was able to detect a much finer level that the screening lab and so he was rumbled. Just as guess.
Its obvious...........Sorry I couldn't help myself.Can I upgrade???0 -
Jeez - pumping cow's blood into your system? :shock:0
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The allegations are this stuff is selling like hotcakes:
Note the bovine reference. At the time everyone was saying "it's steak" and "it's blood doping" but this product ticks both options. Like I say, don't look too hard at the Contador case but be vigilant for other techniques in Spain.0 -
Surely that would be easy to detect?!Mañana0
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There are other experimental versions of this but they are struggling to get licenced, I think only Malaysia and South Africa allow it for human use. It would be illegal as a substance and as a method.
Anyway, I don't want to sidetrack the Contador debate.0 -
Pokerface wrote:Jeez - pumping cow's blood into your system? :shock:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actovegin
As used by the US Postal team, staff members of which were filmed dumping medical waste products in a roadside bin during the 2000 Tour de France. All normal and above board of course. :?0 -
Yeah........just guessing.......................
Hey mod - why have my swear words been *
This subject demands swearing !0 -
My cat's looking a bit aneamic......................any stuff out there she can use ?
I very much doubt she'll have anything to do with anything meant for dogs.........0 -
Wasn't the blood bag in Puerto that belonged to Basso marked up with his dogs name?
...Or was that what you were referring to RichN?"Impressive break"
"Thanks...
...I can taste blood"0 -
RichN95 wrote:Pokerface wrote:I love it - "...for the treatment of anemia in DOGS"
So cyclists could get a bag of blood, put their dog's name on it, and no-one would suspect a thing. Nothing could go wrong, it's the perfect crime!
Better to own a greyhound then
Life is like a roll of toilet paper; long and useful, but always ends at the wrong moment. Anon.
Think how stupid the average person is.......
half of them are even more stupid than you first thought.0 -
Wasn't there an allegation that the Biopure product was the stuff that the Chicken asked a mate to bring over from the US after telling him the box contained cycling shoes. The friend realised something was suspect and poured it down the drain, much to the Chicken's chagrin ("do you know how much that stuff costs?" etc.)0
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Yes, human and veterinary products have been linked to doping, in cycling but other sports too. The idea at the moment is that new experimental products are circulating in Spain, notably a product made by a Malaysian lab. It uses something like the hydroxyethyl starch as a blood expander to accompany the modified haemoglobin, a new blood substitute.0
