Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol

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  • meggiedude
    meggiedude Posts: 257
    frenchfighter wrote:
    There is a reason why .......he won the 'best rider to photograph' award in the 09 Tour.
    LMAO
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  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    frenchfighter wrote:
    There is a reason why he is so well liked in the peloton, outside the sport and why he won the 'best rider to photograph' award in the 09 Tour.
    He might be likeable but he's just not interesting. Without the artificial assistance, he'd be unremarkable.

    No need for bling and controversy. Take Freire, he is very modest and despite a giant salary, apparently drives an old Opel Corsa. But he's interesting off the bike, a character with his own thoughts on life and the sport.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Kléber wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    There is a reason why he is so well liked in the peloton, outside the sport and why he won the 'best rider to photograph' award in the 09 Tour.
    He might be likeable but he's just not interesting. Without the artificial assistance, he'd be unremarkable

    Whoooooaaa a second there Skippy - Are you suggesting Contador's smoldering hot Latin-boy-next-door looks might be artificial?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Was he well liked in the peleton?
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Kléber wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    There is a reason why he is so well liked in the peloton, outside the sport and why he won the 'best rider to photograph' award in the 09 Tour.
    He might be likeable but he's just not interesting. Without the artificial assistance, he'd be unremarkable.

    No need for bling and controversy. Take Freire, he is very modest and despite a giant salary, apparently drives an old Opel Corsa. But he's interesting off the bike, a character with his own thoughts on life and the sport.

    Erik Zabel as well, he drove a beat up old Golf for years. Despite a weeks worth of cheating he copped to.

    Freire is a remarkable character. The photos in pro-cycling of him training with a frame pump gaffa taped to his pro-issue Colnago were hilarious. Apparantly he spent the prize money from his first Worlds win on a stairlift for his gran.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    edited October 2010
    Kleber. Really, well maybe to you. I don't think I have ever read anything ever about Freire outside of the sport. Not saying he is or isn't (as I really don't know). He probably is quite modest and quiet, a good man. As for his racing, mostly it invloves hiding, hiding, hiding, opening up. Reilhan.

    I really can't be bothered to explain about Contador or draw on a hundred other riders for comparison. You think he is boring, fine.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Was he well liked in the peloton?

    Yes.

    Alain Rumpf also tweeted last year that he does stuff like send hand written Xmas cards to people in the sport and is exceptionally polite.
    I gather he's someone, on a personal level, it's difficult to dislike. So probably quite bland.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Haha, so we dont like people we assume are cheats and we dont like people who are polite and nice. Serious laughs here.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    iainf72 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Was he well liked in the peloton?

    Yes.

    Alain Rumpf also tweeted last year that he does stuff like send hand written Xmas cards to people in the sport and is exceptionally polite.
    I gather he's someone, on a personal level, it's difficult to dislike. So probably quite bland.

    However, nice people also cheat at sport. Lest we forget, not every doper springs out of bed in the mornig twirling his moustache and cackling.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Was he well liked in the peloton?

    Yes.

    Alain Rumpf also tweeted last year that he does stuff like send hand written Xmas cards to people in the sport and is exceptionally polite.
    I gather he's someone, on a personal level, it's difficult to dislike. So probably quite bland.

    However, nice people also cheat at sport. Lest we forget, not every doper springs out of bed in the mornig twirling his moustache and cackling.

    Not all people who srping out of bed, twirling moustaches and cackling cheat!
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  • meggiedude
    meggiedude Posts: 257
    iainf72 wrote:
    Alain Rumpf also tweeted last year that he does stuff like send hand written Xmas cards to people in the sport
    Guilty conscience??? :wink:
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Haha, so we dont like people we assume are cheats and we dont like people who are polite and nice. Serious laughs here.

    I can like a cheat.

    I can dislike a clean rider.

    I don't dislike Bert, but I think he's cheated his way to multiple wins and a lot of money.

    But I'm good at complex scenarios and multiple variables.
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    FF

    Just to clarify my position... I don't hate people who cheat at sport. I have a degree of pity for them and the position they've found themselves in. It must be hellish having to face the world and lie to it's face every day. My ire is generally raised when they are caught bang to rights and aren't man enough to admit to what they have been proven to have done. Valverde is a prime example of this.

    It's not personal, I just don' want to see cheats prosper in a sport I love.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

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  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    I too don't dislike him but like I say, the only "exciting" thing about him is his jump. If this turns out to be artificial then in reality his level probably means he could fetch bottles for Hesjedal or Casar. A nice guy but no more.
  • simon_e
    simon_e Posts: 1,707
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Is it sunny in Shropshire?
    Not today, though the last couple of days it was w1.gifI'm sure it's always like that where you are, those pistolero-endorsed shades make everything look so bright and rosy. Hang on, shouldn't this be in another thread... or am I being suckered into acting as your counsellor?
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  • surista
    surista Posts: 141
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Maybe you would like him to drive fast cars, snort cocaine, have a large mouth and no results or something similar. Maybe you dont like quiet people who bang out the results all through the year, consistently, since they were youngsters..
    Actually, all we wanted him to do was not be a drugged-up lying cheat. FAIL.

    And I personally think racing wil be better without the drugged-up lying cheats like Contador. Much more exciting to think that people are racing with their own blood, sweat and tears, not chemicals.

    Although I realize that debating a delusional, running-from-reality True Doping Apologist (TM) is akin to having an argument with an idiot. They just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    If Contador raced like an alien and was found at the Tour to have tested positive for something of note in proper quantities then I would have a different opinion. I'm afraid that is not the case though.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • surista
    surista Posts: 141
    frenchfighter wrote:
    If Contador raced like an alien and was found at the Tour to have tested positive for something of note in proper quantities then I would have a different opinion. I'm afraid that is not the case though.

    And ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.
    "It doesn't get any easier, you just get faster"
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  • meggiedude
    meggiedude Posts: 257
    edited October 2010
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    FF

    Just to clarify my position... I don't hate people who cheat at sport. I have a degree of pity for them and the position they've found themselves in. It must be hellish having to face the world and lie to it's face every day. My ire is generally raised when they are caught bang to rights and aren't man enough to admit to what they have been proven to have done. Valverde is a prime example of this.

    It's not personal, I just don' want to see cheats prosper in a sport I love.
    Cheats who admit to it are bad enough.

    Cheats who are in denial are far worst.

    But the worst of the lot are the hypocrites. If Conti-babe is found out here, I'm afraid he will not be getting much in the way of sympathy/pity from moi
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  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    It's a shame that many of these 'great' attacking riders with pananche and such turn out to be tooled up.


    Frenchfighter - herein lies your problem - you like this type of ride and rider, and don't seem to mind that the source of their jump is artificial. Most of us also like this type of ride and rider - but when it inevitably turns out to be dope-fuelled, we lose respect for the rider.

    Personally, I enjoy watching the suffering rides of someone like Evans - still up there with the leaders but not floating up the mountain like he is made of air. It's a ride that I can believe is genuine but is still interesting to watch.
  • pat1cp
    pat1cp Posts: 766
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Kleber. Really, well maybe to you. I don't think I have ever read anything ever about Freire outside of the sport. Not saying he is or isn't (as I really don't know). He probably is quite modest and quiet, a good man. As for his racing, mostly it invloves hiding, hiding, hiding, opening up. Reilhan.

    I really can't be bothered to explain about Contador or draw on a hundred other riders for comparison. You think he is boring, fine.

    Have you ever tried "hiding, hiding, hiding, opening up" at the end of 250km ?? There is a knack to it you know.
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    frenchfighter wrote:
    If Contador raced like an alien and was found at the Tour to have tested positive for something of note in proper quantities then I would have a different opinion. I'm afraid that is not the case though.

    It doesn't have to be something of note... Clenbuterol is on the banned list and one presumes they don't just throw it on there for a chuckle. Likewise the quantity is unimportant, as the rules say you aren't allowed to have ANY.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • meggiedude
    meggiedude Posts: 257
    Pokerface wrote:
    Frenchfighter - herein lies your problem - you like this type of ride and rider, and don't seem to mind that the source of their jump is artificial. Most of us also like this type of ride and rider - but when it inevitably turns out to be dope-fuelled, we lose respect for the rider.
    Nope - he's just in denial, and will be till the bitter end.
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  • surista
    surista Posts: 141
    meggiedude wrote:
    Pokerface wrote:
    Frenchfighter - herein lies your problem - you like this type of ride and rider, and don't seem to mind that the source of their jump is artificial. Most of us also like this type of ride and rider - but when it inevitably turns out to be dope-fuelled, we lose respect for the rider.
    Nope - he's just in denial, and will be till the bitter end.
    There is something almost quaintly, nostalgically noble about it. Going down with the ship, and all that.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Hey Pokerface you still dont seem to understand.

    If he tested positive for something like CERA then I would have a different opinion. At the moment he has a miniscule trace of something minor - I am not going to infer from that that he has won everything by doping.

    And guess what, if I disagree with you it doesn't mean I have a problem.

    And who knows whether Evans is clean? Just because you want to think so and because people say so? (Before you point the finger, let it be known that I think he is clean with the same logic as any other rider)
    Contador is the Greatest
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    What would you guys do if I wasn't here to voice a differing opinion.

    I'm out of here...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzNFnOx-RA
    Contador is the Greatest
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    frenchfighter wrote:
    What would you guys do if I wasn't here to voice a differing opinion.

    I'm out of here...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzNFnOx-RA

    You can't have it both ways. You can't say "i'm the only one here offering this opinion" and then complain that nobody agrees with you.

    If Clenbuterol is such a minor infringement, why are WADA pushing for 2 years? And what would you punish a missed test with?
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

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  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    Never before have I seen such a breathtaking combination of naievty and arrogance.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    frenchfighter wrote:

    And who knows whether Evans is clean? Just because you want to think so and because people say so? (Before you point the finger, let it be known that I think he is clean with the same logic as any other rider)

    As I tried to point out to you before, can you show me one thing where Evans has been linked to something dodgy, even slightly?

    I don't know if Evans is clean but there differences between him and Contador are so vast it's not even funny.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    frenchfighter wrote:
    If he goes, stage racing will be hugely worse off. We will have to try and cheer for someone as exciting as Wiggins or Menchov or Andy.

    Has it occurred to you that the riders you slate for being boring might be able to ride with a little more panache if the playing field was level.

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