Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol

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  • simon_e
    simon_e Posts: 1,707
    A food contamination specialist at Portugal's Coimbra University, doesn't buy the contaminated meat story.
    "It's not impossible but improbable," he says. "In my opinion, it's just a story."
    Plenty more in this AP news article.
    Aspire not to have more, but to be more.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    meggiedude wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    the problem now is they are UNLIKELY to get away with it especially in a 3 week tour.

    thats the new reality. the majority of tour podiums are getting busted!

    thats the problem.. retrospective testing means being ahead in the arms race is becoming increasingly irrelevant to avoiding the consequences
    I don't know about this. I wish it were true, but there will always be other doping 'solutions' sold to riders as undetectable. The arms race continues
    The recent tests for plastizisers show that riders could use this method to swap their blood when they need to and gain the advantage.
    The fact that plastisizers have been found just means that the dodgy docs have to come up with a better solutions and use containers that don't leave traces.
    Its always a risk for the riders involved, but the prices are often seen as worth it.

    I think that GT GC riders are now taking big risks relative to the chances of not getting caught over a few years.
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • northernneil
    northernneil Posts: 1,549
    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/503106/wada-dismisses-contador-s-clenbuterol-claims.html

    WADA have dismissed his claims - almost certain to be banned now
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    So unless Alberto proves the bad meat, he's gone for two years.
  • avoidingmyphd
    avoidingmyphd Posts: 1,154
    Kléber wrote:
    So unless Alberto proves the bad meat, he's gone for two years.
    Wasn't that always the case though?
  • Bronzie
    Bronzie Posts: 4,927
    avoidingmyphd wrote:
    Kléber wrote:
    So unless Alberto proves the bad meat, he's gone for two years.
    Wasn't that always the case though?
    No - if he could prove he'd accidentally ingested clenbuterol, the ban could be reduced by 50%
    It's a Lifestyle! -+-+- Coggan Training Levels
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    No, some in the UCI had been pushing for a cushy short term ban, possibly just three months over the winter.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    I don't think we'll see him on a bike again.

    Unless it's popping down the shops in Pinto.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    "For me, Contador is a totally clean rider, he's the best rider, and I hope he can prove his innocence."
    Chechu Rubiera
    Contador is the Greatest
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    frenchfighter wrote:
    "For me, Contador is a totally clean rider, he's the best rider, and I hope he can prove his innocence."
    Chechu Rubiera

    Chechu's got his back? Well, I've changed my mind now....
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    iainf72 wrote:
    I don't think we'll see him on a bike again.

    Unless it's popping down the shops in Pinto.

    Cheat gets banned. Good.

    On the other hand, I sincerely hope he doesn't go down the Pantani road.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    frenchfighter wrote:
    "For me, Contador is a totally clean rider, he's the best rider, and I hope he can prove his innocence."
    Chechu Rubiera

    Honour amongst thieves, eh.
    Le Blaireau (1)
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    edited October 2010
    Its funny, with some of you I think you would be happy to have all the exciting riders gone from the sport.

    If he goes, stage racing will be hugely worse off. We will have to try and cheer for someone as exciting as Wiggins or Menchov or Andy. I see no champions who transcend the levels.

    For sure some of you probably don't even watch the racing, it probably doesn't excite you, you cannot feel the pain or the flying, you cannot admire all but a few, you remain cynical, critical and contemplative. You live to see the destruction of riders who bring life to the sport.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    iainf72 wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    "For me, Contador is a totally clean rider, he's the best rider, and I hope he can prove his innocence."
    Chechu Rubiera

    Chechu's got his back? Well, I've changed my mind now....

    "For me, Kim Jong Il is a totally non-despotic President. He's the best leader in the world"

    Mao Tse Tsung
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Its funny, with some of you I think you would be happy to have all the exciting riders gone from the sport.

    Nope, just the dirty ones. I'd be happy with guys like Chavenel, Gilbert, Dan Martin and Pinotti winning big races, as at least I know it's effort and sacrifice that's got them there.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    edited October 2010
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Its funny, with some of you I think you would be happy to have all the exciting riders gone from the sport.

    This is a circular argument, like so many on here :) What enables your favs to be exciting is not just talent and hard work is it?
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Chavenel, Gilbert, Dan Martin and Pinotti .

    Sig line. 1,2,3
    Contador is the Greatest
  • simon_e
    simon_e Posts: 1,707
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Its funny, with some of you I think you would be happy to have all the exciting riders gone from the sport.
    Nope, just the dirty ones.
    +1.
    For sure some of you probably don't even watch the racing, it probably doesn't excite you, you cannot feel the pain or the flying, you cannot admire all but a few, you remain cynical, critical and contemplative. You live to see the destruction of riders who bring life to the sport.
    It's you with the selective blindness mate, you have too much lurve for someone who, it seems, is a doper, a liar and a cheat.

    Conversely, and especially in this country, where cycling is a minority sport, we all want to see our heroes fly but we're sick of doping stories. It's hard not to be cynical when so many top riders over the last 15 years have been caught or implicated in cheating.

    FF, where do you stand on cheating in sport? Are you for, against or neutral?
    Aspire not to have more, but to be more.
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    well first of all the UCI will have to recommend a ban to the Spanish, isn't that how the process works. Have there been any comments from the Spanish cycling Federation. We know from Valverde how they back riders
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    frenchfighter wrote:
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Chavenel, Gilbert, Dan Martin and Pinotti .

    Sig line. 1,2,3

    Well we agree then!

    I want riders who go about things the right way, who are a genuine example to youngsters taking up the sport and who are prepared to condem doping to do well at the expense of liars and charletons regardless of how entertaining they are. I also would like those caught to have the balls to fess up.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Its funny, with some of you I think you would be happy to have all the exciting riders gone from the sport.

    If he goes, stage racing will be hugely worse off. We will have to try and cheer for someone as exciting as Wiggins or Menchov or Andy. I see no champions who transcend the levels.

    For sure some of you probably don't even watch the racing, it probably doesn't excite you, you cannot feel the pain or the flying, you cannot admire all but a few, you remain cynical, critical and contemplative. You live to see the destruction of riders who bring life to the sport.


    Now that..... is a True Doping Apologist™
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Contador seems quite a boring bloke. He's not particularly clever, doesn't appear to have a sense of humour nor does he give good interviews. He rarely has anything interesting to say. He seems a sincere guy, he's probably a good family man and would make a good neighbour. But interesting in the sport? Not really.

    The only thing going for him is the searing attacks he makes but this appears to be the result of of a crooked doctor, artifice and cheating.
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    frenchfighter wrote:

    For sure some of you probably don't even watch the racing, it probably doesn't excite you, you cannot feel the pain or the flying, you cannot admire all but a few, you remain cynical, critical and contemplative. You live to see the destruction of riders who bring life to the sport.

    Supremely arrogant. We're too stupid to appreciate the beauty and suffering of Bertie and piti, only the Frenchie really gets it. Please explain how a juiced piti brought life to the sport? He used every legal method to avoid the ban he so richly deserved. How does it bring life to cycling to see a guy using chemicals to enable him to better someone using hard work, talent and determination?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    frenchfighter wrote:

    For sure some of you probably don't even watch the racing, it probably doesn't excite you, you cannot feel the pain or the flying, you cannot admire all but a few, you remain cynical, critical and contemplative. You live to see the destruction of riders who bring life to the sport.

    You can't be for real, can you?

    Behind the exciting exploit or ridiculous acceleration up a mountain is a bag of blood being transfused on a bathroom in some crappy hotel, some guy in his 20's being injected with a drug created by mafia connected labs in Russia or China, hangers on with no interest in the riders well being just trying to get a buck, injecting someone elses urine into your bladder so you can pass a doping test etc etc.

    Cycling was hard enough before the athletes became serious medical experiments.

    If you break the rules, you do a ban.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • simon_e
    simon_e Posts: 1,707
    frenchfighter wrote:
    a load of tosh
    If you're blaming those asking for clean sport for killing it then you seriously need help. Do you know anyone who is a good listener? I'm not joking.
    Aspire not to have more, but to be more.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Is it sunny in Shropshire?
    Contador is the Greatest
  • edhornby
    edhornby Posts: 1,780
    dougzz wrote:
    @edhornby
    The ASO want to make money, they're not about enforcing the rules of cycling.

    true but the quality of the sportsmen and women in the races they put on are an integral part of the value of their product (the races they sell to sponsors, tv rights etc.)

    at the moment the winning racers are about as clean as a monkeys bum* - the unveiling of their 2011 race will not have the 2010 winner there because the UCI can't keep control of the riders and they (the UCI) are ultimately causing the scandal which devaules their brand by association

    the ASO have the big stick called the tour de france, they need other organisers to collectvely beat the uci with it

    * ok, not all riders are tainted but for every garmin there's an astana, for every sky there's a saxo
    "I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, how good is that"
    --Jens Voight
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    edited October 2010
    Kléber wrote:
    Contador seems quite a boring bloke. He's not particularly clever, doesn't appear to have a sense of humour nor does he give good interviews. He rarely has anything interesting to say. He seems a sincere guy, he's probably a good family man and would make a good neighbour. But interesting in the sport? Not really.

    The only thing going for him is the searing attacks he makes but this appears to be the result of of a crooked doctor, artifice and cheating.

    Maybe you would like him to drive fast cars, snort cocaine, have a large mouth and no results or something similar. Maybe you dont like quiet people who bang out the results all through the year, consistently, since they were youngsters.

    There is a reason why he is so well liked in the peloton, outside the sport and why he won the 'best rider to photograph' award in the 09 Tour.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • meggiedude
    meggiedude Posts: 257
    I'm sorry guys but you clearly can't see the wood for the trees here.

    FF is just flaming here and you are all getting sucked into it.
    He probably gets off big time from all the recent responses.

    MD
    Can I upgrade???
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    edited October 2010
    the problem is that the riders cant keep it under wraps

    pre 98 no one cared that much

    I didn't.

    they are all on drugs..tell me something I don't know... the rick chasey position..which I understand IF IT WAS 1997


    NOW

    the omerta dosen't work and the cheating doesn't work for that long either... most most forceful patron in years since Hinault can't get it to work

    the drugs don't work anymore because too many of them are getting caught at the front end of the biggest race in the glaring head lights of the worlds media.

    If they were never caught or exposed by disgruntled ex team mates etc etc etc etc. the attitude you paid your money and took the risk would hold more water (physical danger of taking stuff)

    but now you take risks thickening up your blood and getting caught too boot.

    Kohl says he doped at races over 100 times got caught once...you only have to get caught once for everybody in the press/public to assume you doped the other 100

    one positive equals credibility destruction for everything...

    you have to go a long way millar style to win it back...and at what cost?

    well you end up coming 5th,2nd etc most of the time instead of first... which kinda stands out..
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm

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