Tour de Suisse Stage 4 **SPOILER**
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the wheel collapsing reminded me of Marcus Burghardt`s when he hit the labrador on the TDF and it just folded over.who cares?0
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NapoleonD wrote:Just watched the replay numerous times on Eurosport (I recorded it), they drift in to each other.
Racing accident IMO.
cav goes for the deliberate overlap
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k2rider wrote:the wheel collapsing reminded me of Marcus Burghardt`s when he hit the labrador on the TDF and it just folded over.
That's stil one of the most amusing things I've seen in a bike race - only because everyone was OK afterwards of course. I remember the dog just trotted away like nothing had happened!!My cycle racing blog: http://cyclingapprentice.wordpress.com/
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The same as the Athletics High jump pole then.No tA Doctor wrote:
It's a split second where his wheel is folded, it springs back as soon as HH's wheel comes back off it. If you watch the vid you'll have to be fairly focussed to notice it.
Sod riding on that rubbish, as you are asking for trouble.
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Big pile up that could ruin anyone's season 200 Euro, V sign, 6,000 Euro.
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my last 2 cents is it wasn Cav's rim that caused the acceiden but Haussler's front wheel rode over it. It's really clear. It wasn't a front to back wheel thing - it was front to front. Cav's bike was at max right-side swing which makes the angle of his wheel to the ground at maybe around 45 degrees and Hausslers' wheel just mounts it.
At 0:55-0:56 on the cycling.tv yout tube video you can see the front end of Haussler's bike riding up and over the wheel.
Case closed. Hope they both make the tour.When a cyclist has a disagreement with a car; it's not who's right, it's who's left.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
Assuming I've got them the right way round as you see it, I think because the V sign wasn't necessarily considered, it could have been an adrenaline rush moment. Was the crash careless, or was it ill considered, as to the outcome, juvenile behaviour by someone that has forgotten how to lose graciously.
I still say the difference in the fines is very wrong, given the consequences of the two acts.0 -
dougzz wrote:
Assuming I've got them the right way round as you see it, I think because the V sign wasn't necessarily considered, it could have been an adrenaline rush moment. Was the crash careless, or was it ill considered, as to the outcome, juvenile behaviour by someone that has forgotten how to lose graciously.
I still say the difference in the fines is very wrong, given the consequences of the two acts.
Consequences shouldn't have anything to do with any judgement. You rule on the foul not the outcome. For example in football if a player makes a late tackle he'll get a yellow card. The ref doesn't wait to see if the 'foulee' is injured and then maybe upgrade to a red or downgrade to nothing. If you focus on the consequences rather than the actual offence, you get inconsistent justice.
In this case the foul was deviating from his line in the sprint - something we've seen many times before from many sprinters, particularly in a messy sprint like that one (both Haussler and Ciolek moved too, to a lesser extent). The commisaires can't know if this was deliberate or more natural drift. With no intent, it is just a racing accident caused by carelessness so the fine is levied accordingly.
The fact that there was a crash should be immaterial to any judgement. He should be fined the same as had there been no crash at all. You can't fine riders for causing crashes, there are several every day.
The V sign on the other hand was not done by accident. It was very deliberate and designed to offend. Therefore, bigger fine.
Now if you think that he deliberately brought Haussler down (a la Bos), then that's a different matter. But I don't.
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Still disagree
I think your analogy is wrong too, football refs often give themselves time whilst calling on the trainer to judge the extent of an injury before showing the card, so I think outcome does change the punishment. If you look at general law (rather than sporting) the consequences of an action massively change the punishment.
Edit: Forgot to add that whether or not the V sign was considered is just your opinion, it's not fact, only Cav knows that.0 -
dougzz wrote:Still disagree
I think your analogy is wrong too, football refs often give themselves time whilst calling on the trainer to judge the extent of an injury before showing the card, so I think outcome does change the punishment. If you look at general law (rather than sporting) the consequences of an action massively change the punishment.
Edit: Forgot to add that whether or not the V sign was considered is just your opinion, it's not fact, only Cav knows that.
I didn't suggest the V sign was considered (as in pre-planned), just that his fingers didn't get there by accident.
As to the football thing, the ref gives him a quick look and, as is almost always the case, gets the trainer on when he doesn't get up immediately, and then does the booking. He doesn't wait to see if the player gets on his feet and continues or gets substituted.
I'll give you an example from a hockey match I played in this year. Incident 1: A player tackles are captain late and from the wrong side. The captain goes down, does his knee in and won't play for 8 months. Crime: Bad tackling, Punishment: Yellow card
Incident 2: Their centre forward squares up to me and pushes me in the face (and I'm a goalkeeper wearing a helmet so no damage). Crime: Violent behaviour, Punishment: Red Card, Three month ban.
I think we're going to disagree on this one regardless. No big deal.Twitter: @RichN950 -
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