Tour de Suisse Stage 4 **SPOILER**

dave_1

Cav looked lethal when he lunged out toward the barriers when starting his sprint..Hausseler and the French chap could do him for that today...?? Cav went massively off his line twice

wasabi_m

@camerone

piss of back to the midlands to ride your heap of shite litespeed. you were clearly watching that sprint out of your arse hole.

Garry H

Had to laugh at the penultimate sentence of the stage report on the home page.

takethehighroad

What absolute idiocy to suggest that anyone, even a professional bike rider, would deliberately cause an accident at 65km/h.

Garry H

TakeTheHighRoad wrote:

What absolute idiocy to suggest that anyone, even a professional bike rider, would deliberately cause an accident at 65km/h.

+1

Moronic comment.

Gazzaputt

wasabi_m wrote:

You tend to wonder whether Cavendish is worried about Haussler's growing ability. Injured almost all season, on his way to winning his second stage in three days and taken out by a thug who has been failing to achieve anything compared to last year.

Also Hushovd to win the green.

Yea so he takes him out deliberately :roll:

Thug wtf you on about?

Cav was daft as arseholes to come offline and very lucky he wasn't more seriously hurt.

Tusher

Oh My Goodness.


Utter Carnage.

camerone

wasabi_m wrote:

@camerone

wee-wee of back to the midlands to ride your heap of shite litespeed. you were clearly watching that sprint out of your ars* hole.

hold on there my little stroppy child, toys back in pram please.

judging by your abusive and frankly pathetic post i would suggest you are the thug not Cavendish,.

not a sign of much intelligence resorting to insults so early in a discussion.

phil s

Can't believe Haussler's not wearing race mitts :shock: I came off in training at the weekend without mitts and my palms are not thanking me for it.

rick_chasey

I wonder how the crash would have played out had Cavendish been on metal rims...

rick_chasey

Boonen also fell on his "painful knee", which apparantly is playing up.

Oh dear.

Tusher

Cycling Weekly reporting "We think he's okay physically, even if mentally he's shaken up and he's very angry," added team manager Rolf Aldag.

So, if he's angry, he clearly doesn't think it was his fault.

FransJacques

From the frontal pic it looks like HH comes to his right a bit, maybe to take on Cav side by side. The OH camera show, by virtue of the fat yellow lines on the road, that in fact, HH pretty much keeps going straight on.

I've had "the benefits of helmets" fights on another thread earlier this year but just watch HH's head ricochet off the pavement - thank God these guys are wearing helmets. Cav's head hits hard as well. Don't think his thick skull will feel that :-)

His teeth still looked great at the very least!

ju5t1n

Tusher wrote:

So, if he's angry, he clearly doesn't think it was his fault.

You can be angry with yourself can't you? I often am

Ironman595

Ok... I've seen the overhead- watched the slow motion a dozen times...

Still can't see where the crank arms come into it?

I just see it that (apart from cav coming off line) Hausslers front wheel lateral movement to his right whilst sprinting, makes contact with the back of cavs front wheel, which collapses it. This and a timely clash of shoulders puts cav and co. on the deck.

IMO at the point of contact haussler excessively swerves his front wheel. I'm not saying he was the cause- he was still holding his own line, but I believe he was max out and completely spent. He had his head down at point of contact (not for effort, just had nothing left) and his front swerved more than it should have.

Cav is a muppet, ofcourse, but in the slow motion he had corrected himself twice to try a re align himself. A thug? no. Should have known better? yes. Still think he was the faster of the two... and I still think it was his fault.

Just think there is a lot of unjust criticism on here... (surprise surprise)

ju5t1n

Rick Chasey wrote:

I wonder how the crash would have played out had Cavendish been on metal rims...

That was my first thought when I saw it. Cav’s rim folded like it was made of cardboard

Monty Dog

We don't know whether the disintegration of Cav's wheel could be a contributory factor to his erratic riding?

Anonymous

closeup of Cav's new whiter teeth. Oh, and cardboard rim...

Tusher

Frightening photograph of his front wheel, wasn't it?

No malicious intent, just ghastly luck.

Inmyhumbleopinion.

rick_chasey

Monty Dog wrote:

We don't know whether the disintegration of Cav's wheel could be a contributory factor to his erratic riding?

There's a chance he might have stayed upright, or at least fallen in a different direction.

stefrees

theres a youtube clip from cycling.tv which the slo mo shows haussler clearly turning his wheel into cav causing the crash.... completely changing my view on it. still completely accidental

Doobz

Very tough one to call from the pics as it looks like they are both in the wrong a bit

deejay

But surely Petacchi was behind Cavendish before he moved to the middle to keep in front of Haussler to contest the sprint.
That left the door open for Petacchi to get a podium place anyway. IMO.

My other point is the Crap Carbon equipment couldn't take the "side on" stresses.

steviedonut

FOAD wrote:

steviedonut wrote:

Ironman595 wrote:

looked to me as if hausslers front wheel took out the Cavs rear? No?

aye,poor cav the victim.
he had a quick glance and deliberately rode across ciolek and haussler-the sort of thing thor was complaining about last july.The crash was entirely cavandishs fault and i suspect if hed bothered to ride straight hed have won easily

Lol. Perhaps if it didn't involve Cav you would take of the bias blinkers and actually see what happened. Lol.

you know what,im quite happy to admit i cant stand the manx gobshite;to suggest that in this case it is me who is viewing things with blinkers,though,not the posters who are trying to deflect the blame from where it quite clearly lies,is ridiculous and you know it

Anonymous

Just watched the replay numerous times on Eurosport (I recorded it), they drift in to each other.

Racing accident IMO.

Anonymous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RNAYR3KPIg

Tusher

Doobz and Stefrees- wow, you're right.

Cav is completely innocent.


But, of course, deep down, we all knew that.

No wonder he's raging. One moment he's on target for a win, the next he's on the deck being run over by all and sundry.

On this basis, it's Haussler who should be fined and docked 30 seconds (for all the difference that'll make to a sprinter).


Although, no malicious intent from Barbie either, it's just been an accident. It's a dangerous game and these things happen.

rick_chasey

Either way, it's avoidable.


Having said that....


Using the white line on the road, to the left of Haussler, it's pretty clear to see that he keeps a true course, whilst Cavendish really moves over a long way to the left.

Cavendish is not sprinting straight. Hence the penalty.

Tom Butcher

Just watched it - for me Cav is more at fault. He isn't sprinting in a straight line - whether he moves across deliberately or not is impossible to know but he does move across the road in the sprint and he isn't more than half a wheel in front of Haussler - in effect he rides into him. Maybe if Haussler isn't tieing up and getting a bit ragged with his head down it's just a bit of bumping but Cav's move is the main cause for me.

AidanR

I gotta say, I don't see any foot or crank contact as alluded to earlier in this thread. The way I saw it is that Cav moved over to Haussler (no idea why - to intimidate maybe?) and they clashed shoulders. However, this clash wasn't equal, which is why they didn't just bump off each other. Obviously they were both rocking side-to-side with their respective efforts, but when the clash came Haussler was rocking towards Cav whilst Cav was rocking away from Haussler, which is why he went down - he was simply knocked off balance. Haussler had braced for the impact by steering slightly towards Cav, but I don't think it was any more than that - just bracing himself. The clash was Cav's fault, but the fall itself wasn't - it was just bad luck.