Giro Stage 11 *spoiler*

takethehighroad

Kiserlovksi and Agnoli are up on GC too

rick_chasey

Ianf:


in light of that Dr. Ferrari article you put up a while back, arguing for longer stages to put the emphasis on, (to use the car analogy) 'bigger fuel tanks' over 'bigger engines', which i think you agreed with, are you happy with a stage like this?

For me, it makes sense to regularly throw 250km+ stages in GTs.

I also believe it would make for better racing...

calvjones

Out to 17'50.

No reason why the 56 out front should not get to the finish almost as quick as the Peloton. Astana are going to be cooked, BMC are crap and Liquigas might decide 2 birds in the hand are better than 2 in the bush...

iainf72

I'm very happy with a stage like this. It's long, it's hard, and it's already playing out like no one would've expected.

Great stuff.

Pross

Looks almost like all the English speaking riders have gone up the road except for Cuddles :shock: At least my PTP pick is in there

frenchfighter

I hope the advantage is SIGNIFICNTLY reduced. I don't see that as an admirable way to get a great placing - more like a gift as the effort involved with 56 riders pulling is much smaller.

Current GC
1 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) Astana 38:59:00
2 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:01:12
3 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Doimo 0:01:33
4 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas-Doimo 0:01:51
5 Marco Pinotti (Ita) Team HTC - Columbia 0:02:17
6 Richie Porte (Aus) Team Saxo Bank 0:02:26
7 Vladimir Karpets (Rus) Team Katusha 0:02:34
8 Stefano Garzelli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone 0:02:47
9 Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre-Farnese Vini 0:03:08
10 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Androni Giocattoli 0:03:09
11 David Arroyo Duran (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 0:04:22
12 Robert Kiserlovski (Cro) Liquigas-Doimo 0:04:25
13 Valerio Agnoli (Ita) Liquigas-Doimo 0:05:18
14 Bauke Mollema (Ned) Rabobank 0:06:05
15 Xavier Tondo Volpini (Spa) Cervelo Test Team 0:06:34
16 Pieter Weening (Ned) Rabobank 0:07:31
17 Markus Eibegger (Aut) Footon-Servetto 0:07:46
18 Alexander Efimkin (Rus) AG2R La Mondiale 0:07:56
19 Laurent Didier (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 0:08:01
20 Thomas Rohregger (Aut) Team Milram 0:08:14
21 Linus Gerdemann (Ger) Team Milram
22 Carlos Sastre Candil (Spa) Cervelo Test Team 0:09:59
23 Vladimir Miholjevic (Cro) Acqua & Sapone 0:10:51
24 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Professional Cycling Team 0:10:54
25 Dario David Cioni (Ita) Sky Professional Cycling Team 0:10:57
26 Josep Jufre Pou (Spa) Astana 0:11:05
27 Jan Bakelandts (Bel) Omega Pharma-Lotto 0:11:15
28 John Gadret (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0:11:59
29 Francis De Greef (Bel) Omega Pharma-Lotto 0:14:37
30 Dario Cataldo (Ita) Quick Step 0:16:16
31 Cayetano Sarmiento (Col) Acqua & Sapone 0:17:46
32 Johann Tschopp (Swi) Bbox Bouygues Telecom 0:17:50
33 Daniel Moreno Fernandez (Spa) Omega Pharma-Lotto 0:18:35
34 Iban Mayoz Echeverria (Spa) Footon-Servetto 0:18:38
35 Evgeni Petrov (Rus) Team Katusha 0:18:41
36 David Millar (GBr) Garmin - Transitions 0:19:25
37 Mauricio Ardila Cano (Col) Rabobank 0:21:08

Neil McC

Looks like it could be another great stage, superb Giro so far.

rick_chasey

Yeah. 250+km days shouldn't be reserved to one day-ers. It's what makes them selective and exciting, and there's no reason not to have that same level of selection in a stage of a stage race.

Wishing I could see all this!

iainf72

frenchfighter wrote:

I hope the advantage is SIGNIFICNTLY reduced. I don't see that as an admirable way to get a great placing - more like a gift as the effort involved with 56 riders pulling is much smaller.

You don't see attacking early in a stage and taking time out of the faves as admirable?

It's unexpected. It's exciting. Roll on fellas.

dave_1

good live feed...run to bottom of top world tv column ans see Giro

http://www.worldlivetv.org/

mididoctors

they cant let tondo go down the road....

msw

Bit of quick maths: with 130km to go and an 18-minute lead, I *think* this means that for the rest of the race the peloton's average speed has to be 8.3 km/h higher than that of the lead group if they're going to catch them. Unlikely, no?

(Disclaimer: I frequently make massive and hilarious mathematical errors, often in public)

stagehopper

disappeared out for a bit and just come back to this!!! How the hell have they let that lot go up the road?

Bloody hell *takes phone off hook, warms up TV and turns it onto Eurosport in advance*

mididoctors

msw wrote:

Bit of quick maths: with 130km to go and an 18-minute lead, I *think* this means that for the rest of the race the peloton's average speed has to be 8.3 km/h higher than that of the lead group if they're going to catch them. Unlikely, no?

(Disclaimer: I frequently make massive and hilarious mathematical errors, often in public)

right maths wrong units they need to pull back 8.3 secs a km

Kléber

iainf72 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

I hope the advantage is SIGNIFICNTLY reduced. I don't see that as an admirable way to get a great placing - more like a gift as the effort involved with 56 riders pulling is much smaller.

You don't see attacking early in a stage and taking time out of the faves as admirable?

It's unexpected. It's exciting. Roll on fellas.

Hmm, the risk is this turns a bit "Pereiro" or "Walkowiak" but who ever wins today will have to defend their lead for a long time.

Gap looks to be going back up...

RichN95.

msw wrote:

Bit of quick maths: with 130km to go and an 18-minute lead, I *think* this means that for the rest of the race the peloton's average speed has to be 8.3 km/h higher than that of the lead group if they're going to catch them. Unlikely, no?

(Disclaimer: I frequently make massive and hilarious mathematical errors, often in public)

I make it about 4 km/h faster (based on the 56 going at an average of 40km/h)

mididoctors

Kléber wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

I hope the advantage is SIGNIFICNTLY reduced. I don't see that as an admirable way to get a great placing - more like a gift as the effort involved with 56 riders pulling is much smaller.

You don't see attacking early in a stage and taking time out of the faves as admirable?

It's unexpected. It's exciting. Roll on fellas.

Hmm, the risk is this turns a bit "Pereiro" or "Walkowiak" but who ever wins today will have to defend their lead for a long time.

Gap looks to be going back up...

i can't see tondo fading enough in the third myself if he has a decent gap

going to be interesting final week


Leaky gas a few riders in there how long are they going to play that card?

fastercyclist

Since the new GC will be much weaker, maybe this will inspire Wiggins to actually do something even if he is sitting down the table. Exciting days ahead, I hope this breakaway crushes the Peloton.

stagehopper

According to my TV planner British Eurosport 2 have live coverage from 1pm (i.e. imminently) before switching to British Eurosport 1 at 1.45pm.

iainf72

There will be a point where the front group will be shredded. It's likely they'll finish ahead but probably by a managable amount.

What percentage of the riders up front are working?

stagehopper

stagehopper wrote:

According to my TV planner British Eurosport 2 have live coverage from 1pm (i.e. imminently) before switching to British Eurosport 1 at 1.45pm.

ignore that it's highlights of stage 10 on BE2.

DaveyL

The ES2 is highlights from yesterday. Today's stage live on ES1 from 1345/

Sheptastic

that old lady lifter-out-of-the-bath thing on RAI 3 made me feel really quite uncomfortable.

msw

mididoctors wrote:

msw wrote:

Bit of quick maths: with 130km to go and an 18-minute lead, I *think* this means that for the rest of the race the peloton's average speed has to be 8.3 km/h higher than that of the lead group if they're going to catch them. Unlikely, no?

(Disclaimer: I frequently make massive and hilarious mathematical errors, often in public)

right maths wrong units they need to pull back 8.3 secs a km

Doh. Knew I had that wooly brain feeling about something :-)

DaveyL

cn.com with the full list of breakaway riders:

Group of 56 riders, including: Richie Porte, Chris Anker Sorensen, Laurent Didier (Saxo Bank); Bradley Wiggins, Michael Barry, Steve Cummings, Morris Possoni (Team Sky); Matt Goss (HTC-Columbia); Giampaolo Caruso, Joan Horrach (Katusha); Matteo Bono (Lampre-Farnese Vini); Valerio Agnoli, Tiziano Dall'Antonia, Robert Kiserlovski, Alessandro Vanotti (Liquigas-Doimo); Jan Bakelandts, Francis De Greef, Matthew Lloyd (Omega Pharma-Lotto); Dario Cataldo, Jerome Pineau (Quick Step); Stefan Kruijswijk, Maurzio Ardila (Rabobank); Andrey Amador, David Arroyo, Arnold Jeannesson, Vasil Kiryienka, Alberto Losada (Caisse d'Epargne); Carlos Sastre, Volodymir Gustov, Marcel Wyss, Xavier Tondo (Cervelo TestTeam); David Moncoutié, Arnoud Fouchard (Cofidis); Dominico Pozzovivo (Colnago-CSF Inox); Giampaolo Cheula, Iban Mayoz (Footon-Servetto); David Millar, Dan Martin (Garmin-Transitions); Brent Bookwalter (BMC-Racing Team); Massimo Codol, Alessandro Donati (Acqua & Sapone); Herbert Dupont, Alexander Efimkin (Ag2R-La Mondiale); Reubens Bertogliati, Richard Ochoa, Jose Serpa, Cameron Wurf (Androni-Giocattoli); Josep Jufre, Gorazd Stangelj (Astana); Thomas Voeckler, Damien Gaudin, Yuri Trofimov (Bbox Bouygues Telecom); Linus Gerdemann, Matthias Russ (Milram)

mididoctors

that group is too good.... i bet millar is wishing he hadn't sat up in the laughing group at terminillo now...

avoidingmyphd

This has to have been deliberate by Vino though. He is hardly a tactical imbecile, and he had ages to decide whether a 4 mins gap became 15, and decided yes.

It's nothing like Perreiro though. The gap will be waaaay smaller than his at the end. Vino is gambling that he can afford to let minor GC players like Wiggins back into the mix as long as he keeps the main threats in his group, in exchange for a break from the jersey.

Kléber

The gap grew very quickly. I think Vino and Evans might have worried about committing to a big chase so early in the day, they don't have big teams capable of bringing back a determined break on the best of days, yet alone 50 riders at the start of a 260km stage.

mididoctors

avoidingmyphd wrote:

This has to have been deliberate by Vino though. He is hardly a tactical imbecile, and he had ages to decide whether a 4 mins gap became 15, and decided yes.

It's nothing like Perreiro though. The gap will be waaaay smaller than his at the end. Vino is gambling that he can afford to let minor GC players like Wiggins back into the mix as long as he keeps the main threats in his group, in exchange for a break from the jersey.

bit risky if he was controlling at sub 10 mins I would say you may be right

an other possibility is he was hoping to open the race up as you said but miscalculated....

we will see how much they can reel in in the final 100k.. guys up front will start to fade but 56 men means a fair few are sitting in with fresher legs

DaveyL

avoidingmyphd wrote:

This has to have been deliberate by Vino though. He is hardly a tactical imbecile, and he had ages to decide whether a 4 mins gap became 15, and decided yes.

It's nothing like Perreiro though. The gap will be waaaay smaller than his at the end. Vino is gambling that he can afford to let minor GC players like Wiggins back into the mix as long as he keeps the main threats in his group, in exchange for a break from the jersey.

I'm not sure how much you "decide" to let 56 riders go. It's almost 1/3 of the peloton.