About to succumb to the Hype.
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Using your Fulcrum wheels wont be a problem, Shimano and SRAM are compatible.
I have SRAM Force on my summer bike and the new Ultegra 6700 on the winter bike.
SRAM wins, hands down.
Probably take you about 10 minutes to get used to the double tap changing method.Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!0 -
TornadoTom wrote:10spd Shimano cassettes have the same spacing as 10spd Shimano, and they fit on the same freehubs.
I would hope 10spd Shimano is the same as 10spd Shimano!!
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Pokerface wrote:TornadoTom wrote:10spd Shimano cassettes have the same spacing as 10spd Shimano, and they fit on the same freehubs.
I would hope 10spd Shimano is the same as 10spd Shimano!!
Oops.
Well you know what I mean, SRAM/Shimano, the cassettes are interchangeable.0 -
Karen - if you ARE going to purchase a new groupset - and you have the 'budget' - seriously consider the Sram stuff. 2010 Sram Force is pretty damn nice. Red is better, but you're paying a premium for a few lighter parts that you can probably do without.
Ultegra is OK, but nowhere near as nice as Sram Force.
Congrats on the new bike and let us know what you decide regarding parts!!0 -
Cheers Colin. I'm seriously thinking about SRAM now.
If I were sticking with shimano, I would go for ultegra - seems like good enough performance and reasonable price. Dura Ace seems just a bit too much money and I'm not sure I'd notice the difference for the extra cash. Could you draw a parallel with the SRAM stuff? Would you notice a difference between Red/Force for the £300 extra?
Now, do you know if I can get a 29t cassette on the back? I'm sure I read that SRAM do one of those - if so, I'll def go for the SRAM compact, 29 on the back, forget the triple, sell my old bike - jobs a good 'un.0 -
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i think the rear limit on cog size is 27 teeth for sram derailers.0
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popette wrote:Cheers Colin. I'm seriously thinking about SRAM now.
If I were sticking with shimano, I would go for ultegra - seems like good enough performance and reasonable price. Dura Ace seems just a bit too much money and I'm not sure I'd notice the difference for the extra cash. Could you draw a parallel with the SRAM stuff? Would you notice a difference between Red/Force for the £300 extra?
Now, do you know if I can get a 29t cassette on the back? I'm sure I read that SRAM do one of those - if so, I'll def go for the SRAM compact, 29 on the back, forget the triple, sell my old bike - jobs a good 'un.
OK - from what I've read...
Sram Force is better than Ultegra. Ultegra is better than Sram Rival. Red is better than all of them.
You wouldn't notice the difference between Sram Red and 2010 Force. 2010 is different than 2009 Force though! 2010 is VERY similar to Sram Red - just SLIGHTLY heavier and doesn't use ceramic bearings in the rear mech or BB. Works EXACTLY the same and looks VERY similar. I have the Red on my road bike and Force on my TT bike.
Sram do a 28 cassette. Not sure about a 29 so can't confirm if the rear mech can handle it. But you CAN use a Shimano cassette instead of a Sram one.
But hey - just get in slightly better shape and you won't need to rely on a 29T cassette to get you up those giant hills! Definitely don't soil that brand new frame with a triple.
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If you are going to do it, do it properly! SRAM is the way to go, I nearly bought Force for my Madone, but for the marginal extra cost it's worth going the whole hog and getting Red.0
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redddraggon wrote:Pokerface wrote:Sram Force is better than Ultegra. Ultegra is better than Sram Rival. Red is better than all of them.
Rival pwns ultegra
pwns?!0 -
+1 it would be a good cheaper option.0
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spanielsson wrote:If you are going to do it, do it properly! SRAM is the way to go, I nearly bought Force for my Madone, but for the marginal extra cost it's worth going the whole hog and getting Red.
£400 is not really a marginal cost to some people. Especially for very little weight or performance gain.
If you CAN do it -then do it. But if you've already stretched yourself thin, then Force is a damn good alternative.0 -
redddraggon wrote:rake wrote:i think the rear limit on cog size is 27 teeth for sram derailers.
27 is "official" for Shimano, but overly conservative.
SRAM make 11-28 cassettes, so they can take 28 officially.
SRAM make an 11-34 :shock: But, it is MTB and £269.00 :shock: :shock:Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!0 -
hopper1 wrote:redddraggon wrote:rake wrote:i think the rear limit on cog size is 27 teeth for sram derailers.
27 is "official" for Shimano, but overly conservative.
SRAM make 11-28 cassettes, so they can take 28 officially.
SRAM make an 11-34 :shock: But, it is MTB and £269.00 :shock: :shock:
You'd also need an XX rear mech to use it with the SRAM road groups.0 -
TornadoTom wrote:
Just had to Google what leetspeak is. Internet bastardisation for retards. No wonder the yoof of today are degenerates like Willhub. At least it keeps me in a job working with special needs.
I didn't mean marginal costs for the groupsets in isolation, I should have said the build cost of the bike, in for a penny.......
The SRAM PG 1070 cassette is available in: 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 19, 22, 25, 28, as Colin says, I don't think you will need it by the time you come to ride the Etape!0 -
spanielsson wrote:TornadoTom wrote:
Just had to Google what leetspeak is. Internet bastardisation for retards. No wonder the yoof of today are degenerates like Willhub. At least it keeps me in a job working with special needs.
Lol, are you saying I need special help with my education?0 -
cheers for the info everyone - you've sold me on SRAM.
I've already done one etape on 34-27 but when I was grovelling my way up Ventoux, I really wished I'd got a lower gear!
I need to dig out some gear tables. I'm sure there can't be much difference between 30x25 and 34x28.
Night all 0 -
redddraggon wrote:spanielsson wrote:TornadoTom wrote:
Just had to Google what leetspeak is. Internet bastardisation for retards. No wonder the yoof of today are degenerates like Willhub. At least it keeps me in a job working with special needs.
Lol, are you saying I need special help with my education?
Not you personally, but the promotion of such garbage perpetuates literacy problems.0 -
spanielsson wrote:redddraggon wrote:spanielsson wrote:TornadoTom wrote:
Just had to Google what leetspeak is. Internet bastardisation for retards. No wonder the yoof of today are degenerates like Willhub. At least it keeps me in a job working with special needs.
Lol, are you saying I need special help with my education?
Not you personally, but the promotion of such garbage perpetuates literacy problems.
lolwut*, u r jst jelus tht u av no sk!llz
*the hub taught me that one0 -
popette wrote:cheers for the info everyone - you've sold me on SRAM.
I've already done one etape on 34-27 but when I was grovelling my way up Ventoux, I really wished I'd got a lower gear!
I need to dig out some gear tables. I'm sure there can't be much difference between 30x25 and 34x28.
Night all
Try this one Karen
http://software.bareknucklebrigade.com/ ... pplet.html
As you will see only 0.4 of an inch in it.Norfolk, who nicked all the hills?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3013/243 ... 8d.jpg?v=0
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... 076tl5.jpg
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popette wrote:cheers for the info everyone - you've sold me on SRAM.
I've already done one etape on 34-27 but when I was grovelling my way up Ventoux, I really wished I'd got a lower gear!
I need to dig out some gear tables. I'm sure there can't be much difference between 30x25 and 34x28.
Night all
Don't forget you'll be fitter and lighter and your bike will be stiffer and lighter so a 34x28 will get you up anything!0 -
Oh dear. It appears I have found one for myself at the right price. :oops:
Card details going out in the morning!!0 -
I like the look of Force 2010 more than Red 2009 - they just look prettier to me. I can use the £350 difference to buy a new seat post & bars. I already have a nice saddle, wheels & stem & pedals. Is there anything else I need to buy? Does a groupset include a bottom bracket?
Wiggle just emailed to say it's ready for dispatch. 8)0 -
Groupset includes:
Chainset
Bottom Bracket
Shifters
Cables
Cassette
Brakes
Chain
Front derailleur
Rear derailleur0
