Astana: le merde hits the fan

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  • attica
    attica Posts: 2,362
    Doobz wrote:
    nice way to spend Christmas with this sh|t hanging over your head..

    That would only be a problem if you had a guilty conscience.
    "Impressive break"

    "Thanks...

    ...I can taste blood"
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    It could be seven support staff. We'll see.

    The latest on Le Monde says lab tests reveal "polypetides" but this could be anything like iron and vitamin supplements but it also include plasma expanders, the products some riders have used to get their haematocrit down just before "vampire" testing. Or it could be something else, either benign or for doping.

    Certainly a far cry from Garmin's "no needles" policy. Even if it's just vitamins, there's no need for any intravenous equipment.
  • sward29
    sward29 Posts: 205
    Perhaps they'll suggest that the infusion equipment was for several members of the backup staff, a bit like the Actovegin the team dumped in 2001 was for a diabtetic mechanic.

    Aye right!
  • Rodrego Hernandez
    Rodrego Hernandez Posts: 1,436
    Vitamins and iron injections are still allowed aren't they?

    I wonder what Sean Yates knows about all of this??
  • intothe12
    intothe12 Posts: 190
    there is no way that in hell that LA wont be at the tour.

    even if they had a you tube video of him shooting up with ten gallons of vino's blood.

    the ASO, UCI etc.. are so corrupt, that they would not turn down the huge $$$$$ that come with the LA band wagon.

    pity.
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    But if the French police are involved, then it might be difficult to sweep under the carpet (hopefully)
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    so teams aren't allowed to have their dr administer a drip for riders anymore? Aren't Drs allowed to do this anywhere in most countries to anyone they deem needs that? I doubt all this will come to much...LA and JB are too clever to make such an error...Contador is nowhere near as prepared for the shit that's about to be thrown I bet
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    sward29 wrote:
    Perhaps they'll suggest that the infusion equipment was for several members of the backup staff, a bit like the Actovegin the team dumped in 2001 was for a diabtetic mechanic.

    But don't WADA guys say the reason actovegin is not on the banned list is it's completely worthless as a doping substance?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • AndyRubio
    AndyRubio Posts: 880
    MatHammond wrote:
    The only surprising thing about this will be if they actually manage to make anything stick.
    It's in no-one's (except the fans') interests in making it stick.
    My hour on the plinth
  • jp1985
    jp1985 Posts: 434
    The latest on Le Monde says lab tests reveal "polypetides" but this could be anything like iron and vitamin supplements but it also include plasma expanders, the products some riders have used to get their haematocrit down just before "vampire" testing. Or it could be something else, either benign or for doping.

    Vitamins and Iron are chemical compounds not proteins (polypeptides) so it wont be that.

    Were the polypeptides found on the transfusion equipment or just in the waste?
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    jp1985 wrote:
    Vitamins and Iron are chemical compounds not proteins (polypeptides) so it wont be that.
    See http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12900815
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    http://twitter.com/ContadorFTW/status/6966314513

    LOL
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    AndyRubio wrote:
    MatHammond wrote:
    The only surprising thing about this will be if they actually manage to make anything stick.
    It's in no-one's (except the fans') interests in making it stick.

    Andy Schleck and Wiggo might not mind!!

    It all depends (IMO) on how the media pick up on it. If they shout it from the rooftops then the UCI will be forced to examine the situation carefully and it will be in their interests to make it stick, or at least give a truly convincing explanation.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • jp1985
    jp1985 Posts: 434
    Kléber wrote:
    jp1985 wrote:
    Vitamins and Iron are chemical compounds not proteins (polypeptides) so it wont be that.
    See http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12900815

    Heme iron is different, it is derived from bovine haemoglobin e.g. the iron has already been assimilated into the haemoglobin structure. Iron it in itself is not a protein.

    Plus Heme Iron is taken orally so it wouldn't provide an explanation as to why polypeptides were found on transfusion equipment (if they were?).
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    I reckon it's Bertie's and 6 mechanics?
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • flanners1
    flanners1 Posts: 916
    "The AFLD lodged repeated complaints this summer that the Astana team had been given preferential treatment by the UCI during the Tour de France, charging that riders were allowed to delay giving their samples by nearly an hour. The team denied holding up the proceedings, stating that the testers arrived earlier than expected and waited voluntarily."

    Ha ha made me laugh 'the testers arrived early'!!! FFS! I bet all hell broke out when the 'vampires' turned up, panic stations.

    Santa has come early, wonder what the jungle drums are banging between JB, LA and their legal reps! Great news........Maybe Vino may not have 'his' team for the forthcoming season! :shock:

    C/O Cycling News:

    Polypeptides?

    Polypeptides are small protein fragments that could be just about anything, but illegal drugs like EPO and Human Growth Hormone are made of polypeptides.

    Anti-hypertensives?

    Blood pressure medication isn't banned by WADA, but there is speculation that the drugs are used by athletes who use EPO or blood transfusions to prevent negative side-effects

    No mention on LA's 'Twatter' page as yet................... :o
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  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    What glee! Although, although...........

    something about all of this is bothering me. I don't have the time to check the internet until Boxing Day, in fact I've only had time to quickly scan this thread and the CN article, but I still have difficulty believing that anyone doping would be so dumb as to dump their used equipment in such a way.

    And whatever The Hog is, he ain't dumb.

    It just doesn't make any sense.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    It could just be residues from Bertie's shampoo. Some ad on the telly keeps telling me one brand is packed with "pentapeptides"....
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    AndyRubio wrote:
    MatHammond wrote:
    The only surprising thing about this will be if they actually manage to make anything stick.
    It's in no-one's (except the fans') interests in making it stick.

    This.
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    Tusher wrote:
    What glee! Although, although...........




    It just doesn't make any sense.

    There is a collective cumming of pants going on in here amongst a lot of forumites but it would be wise to see where it ends up before indulging in this love fest. It may end up being nothing underhand.
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • singlespeedexplosif
    singlespeedexplosif Posts: 1,564
    what Muray Gob said. Remember, Armstrong has a very powerful legal team.
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Moray Gub wrote:
    It may end up being nothing underhand.
    Quite, I almost suspect the investigation has run out of steam so someone involved wants to stick it to Armstrong and Contador, they can't do it through the judicial system so better to leak something, to put a bit of smoke out there.

    We'll see where this ends up in 2010 but as ever cycling fans have to remain extra vigilant, one eye on the road and one on the laboratories and courtrooms of Europe.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    Moray Gub wrote:
    Tusher wrote:
    What glee! Although, although...........




    It just doesn't make any sense.

    There is a collective cumming of pants going on in here amongst a lot of forumites but it would be wise to see where it ends up before indulging in this love fest. It may end up being nothing underhand.

    Jesus, do you kiss you mother with that mouth?
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    I was beginning to think that Moray was missing, because he couldn't get time off from his local drama society's performance of "A Christmas Carol". :P
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    calvjones wrote:
    Moray Gub wrote:
    Tusher wrote:
    What glee! Although, although...........




    It just doesn't make any sense.

    There is a collective cumming of pants going on in here amongst a lot of forumites but it would be wise to see where it ends up before indulging in this love fest. It may end up being nothing underhand.

    Jesus, do you kiss you mother with that mouth?

    I only wish i could.
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    what are the rules on drips/mutli use equipement on the TDF? One presumes totally legal as Drs need to save lives, treat people anywhere on the land I guess
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • Bhima
    Bhima Posts: 2,145
    Can someone quickly enlighten me on what exactly this equipment is and how it could be used to cheat? I'm not that hot on the latest doping methods and all the technical terms...

    I know about blood transfusions - are infusions somehow related to this? I don't get it, what could they be infusing?

    When I first read "infusion equipment", I assumed it was a coffee machine which had been found. :roll: :lol:
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Dave_1 wrote:
    what are the rules on drips/mutli use equipement on the TDF? One presumes totally legal as Drs need to save lives, treat people anywhere on the land I guess

    You can use them in an emergency situation.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Le Monde reports that Oclaesp investigators confirmed the delays granted to Astana, and said that they were "sufficient to allow for the dilution of blood."

    The investigation originally targetted several teams, but as of now, focuses only on Astana. According to the information uncovered by Le Monde, the prosecutors found the evidence insufficient to open proceedings against any other teams.


    So, the UCI's grand proclamation was, just that. Maybe, their favouritism will be their pin up boys downfall?
    Anyhow, it isn't hard to figure out, from this, that Pat isn't going to play ball with the French.......again.

    LeMonde's story gets confirmation:
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... yibN1MMCtw
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    Why now? I can only guess that leaking it just before Christmas allows the story to get some traction for a few days while everyone else is off stuffing their faces.*

    *except Lance of course. He'll be doing 15 hours on the bike tomorrow.
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'

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