Astana: le merde hits the fan

Kléber
Kléber Posts: 6,842
edited March 2010 in Pro race
Le Monde have just declared that French officials seized infusion equipment from Astana during the Tour de France last July. This kit is illegal in France and is contrary to WADA guidelines.

If true, Contador, Armstrong and the others on the team, from riders to staff, will have some explaining to do. More news in due course...

EDIT: this isn't new, it's a follow on from http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article/200 ... _3242.html
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Merrrrrrrrry Christmas!
  • teagar
    teagar Posts: 2,100
    :shock:


    Edit: Any other sources yet?
    Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.
  • Vino
    Vino Posts: 184
    afx237vi wrote:
    Merrrrrrrrry Christmas!

    EEEEs no funnies. I haf steeel not finish pay for that.

    Ave infused Calves
  • teagar
    teagar Posts: 2,100
    http://www.monstersandcritics.com/sport ... -de-France


    Same Le Monde source.
    Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Vino wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    Merrrrrrrrry Christmas!

    EEEEs no funnies. I haf steeel not finish pay for that.

    Ave infused Calves

    How do you say SSDD in Russian? :wink:
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 21,812
    Just watch the UCI try and keep the team name, rather than the culprits at the front of this.
    Just wait for the French conspiracy theorists to start their deflecting campaign.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Lance and The Hog get out from under and leave Berto carrying Pat's leaky can. :oops:
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • jrduquemin
    jrduquemin Posts: 791
    afx237vi wrote:
    Vino wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    Merrrrrrrrry Christmas!

    EEEEs no funnies. I haf steeel not finish pay for that.

    Ave infused Calves

    How do you say SSDD in Russian? :wink:

    то же самое дерьмо, различный день

    However, Vino is a Kazakh so it would be different :-)
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    jrduquemin wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:

    How do you say SSDD in Russian? :wink:

    то же самое дерьмо, различный день

    However, Vino is a Kazakh so it would be different :-)

    LOL, good ol' internet - ask and ye shall receive.

    I thought Russian was his first language though? Or is there like a Kazakh dialect of Russian that Kazakhs speak?
  • northernneil
    northernneil Posts: 1,549
    afx237vi wrote:
    jrduquemin wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:

    How do you say SSDD in Russian? :wink:

    то же самое дерьмо, различный день

    However, Vino is a Kazakh so it would be different :-)

    LOL, good ol' internet - ask and ye shall receive.

    I thought Russian was his first language though? Or is there like a Kazakh dialect of Russian that Kazakhs speak?

    That would the 'pigeon english'
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 21,812
    A pity that The Shack have opted not to attend the Giro, as this investigation will probably see their Tour invitation, ripped up.

    I don't think the Vuelta will offer much in the way of consolation.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    A pity that The Shack have opted not to attend the Giro, as this investigation will probably see their Tour invitation, ripped up.

    I don't think the Vuelta will offer much in the way of consolation.

    I think you're underestimating the sport's (ie the UCI's) ability to sweep inconvenient things under the carpet. Bruyneel and LA have dodged every other bullet fired at them over goodness knows how long, why is this any different?
  • attica
    attica Posts: 2,362
    yep, they'll probably rip up the Astana invitation not the Shack one
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  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    Do you think LAs lawyers have not been through the rulebook? You can bet they'll produce a wording, a legal interpretation to defend. These kits are multi purpose from what i read...TDF medics will likely have this stuff too? Anyway, no LA at 2010 TDF is till fine...but no AC would be sad...he's caught in the crossfire, such a shame...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    7 different DNA profiles identified
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Slapshot
    Slapshot Posts: 211
    iainf72 wrote:
    7 different DNA profiles identified

    Armstrong and all six of his ego's.... :wink::wink:
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  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    from babelfish:

    'The parquet floor of Paris opened an preliminary investigation after the seizure of an significant amount of medical device in July'

    Goddamn french wood flooring conspiracies.
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  • fastercyclist
    fastercyclist Posts: 396
    Slapshot wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    7 different DNA profiles identified

    Armstrong and all six of his ego's.... :wink::wink:

    Legend :D

    Not sorry to see the cheaters get caught - if the story is confirmed. Just wish they would all get caught to keep it fair. Agree with others that it would be a bit hairy if Astana gets punished but not the Shack, since its Astana 2.0
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  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    afx237vi wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    A pity that The Shack have opted not to attend the Giro, as this investigation will probably see their Tour invitation, ripped up.

    I don't think the Vuelta will offer much in the way of consolation.

    I think you're underestimating the sport's (ie the UCI's) ability to sweep inconvenient things under the carpet. Bruyneel and LA have dodged every other bullet fired at them over goodness knows how long, why is this any different?

    This is the police who have seized the equipment.

    The UCI tends to act tough when the law gets involved.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Why are THE FRENCH such ANTI-AMERICAN RACISTS?

    :lol:
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
    No, Astana 1.0 was Vino et al, the Kazakh cycling team from 2006 & 2007

    Astana 2.0 was the 2008 name for the Discovery/US Postal/Tailwind team of LA & JB

    Astana 3.0 is what's left after the Shack hit the fan...
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french- ... fusion-kit

    The newspaper also claims that DNA testing on the seized Astana team material revealed the presence of seven unique DNA fingerprints, but linking the evidence to individual riders would rely upon the UCI sharing its blood profile data with the French authorities.

    Get-out #1...
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    iainf72 wrote:
    7 different DNA profiles identified

    there are 30 people in the team probs and contamination....there's very little chance of proving stuff...and the idea of AC and LA doping together? Being in the same jersey meant nothing to them, no way would they trust each other with their careers like that
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Here's the team btw. You know, just to refresh our memories:

    * 21 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa)
    * 22 Lance Armstrong (USA)
    * 23 Andreas Klöden (Ger)
    * 24 Levi Leipheimer (USA)
    * 25 Dmitriy Muravyev (Kaz)
    * 26 Sergio Miguel Moreira Paulinho (Por)
    * 27 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr)
    * 28 Grégory Rast (Swi)
    * 29 Haimar Zubeldia Aguirre (Spa)
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Had Levi quit before the bags were seized?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • teagar
    teagar Posts: 2,100
    afx237vi wrote:
    Here's the team btw. You know, just to refresh our memories:

    * 21 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa)
    * 22 Lance Armstrong (USA)
    * 23 Andreas Klöden (Ger)
    * 24 Levi Leipheimer (USA)
    * 25 Dmitriy Muravyev (Kaz)
    * 26 Sergio Miguel Moreira Paulinho (Por)
    * 27 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr)
    * 28 Grégory Rast (Swi)
    * 29 Haimar Zubeldia Aguirre (Spa)

    That'll be everyone but the top two's DNA then. Naturally.
    Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 21,812
    iainf72 wrote:
    Had Levi quit before the bags were seized?
    Yes.

    So, we have 7 out of 8, with Levi being out of the race?
    Let me see.....
    21 CONTADOR Alberto
    22 ARMSTRONG Lance
    23 KLÖDEN Andréas
    24 LEIPHEIMER Levi
    25 MURAVYEV Dmitriy
    26 PAULINHO Sergio
    27 POPOVYCH Yaroslav
    28 RAST Gregory
    29 ZUBELDIA Haimar

    ________ = Current Astana Riders

    ________ = Current Shack Riders

    Oh dear!
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Bakunin
    Bakunin Posts: 868
    Well, given LA's dislike for Contador, may be he was denied access to the hot sauce.

    Poor old Flandis experienced that, if I read Walsh correctly. LA and the Hog are hard men.
  • teagar
    teagar Posts: 2,100
    Bakunin wrote:
    Well, given LA's dislike for Contador, may be he was denied access to the hot sauce.

    Poor old Flandis experienced that, if I read Walsh correctly. LA and the Hog are hard men.

    Could be everyone but Levi and Armstrong.

    They did both underperform...
    Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.
  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    Most likely all of them, but they only have good DNA evidence for 7 of them so far. The only surprising thing about this will be if they actually manage to make anything stick.
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  • Doobz
    Doobz Posts: 2,800
    nice way to spend Christmas with this sh|t hanging over your head..
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