First Crash folks, serious leasons learned

Flanker37

Just spent 4 hours in A&E

Had a crash
Hit someone (he's ok)
I got Hurt
The end.

see last post

fast as fupp

wtf is the fact he was asian got to do with it?

Anonymous

Flanker37 wrote:

Just spent 4 hours in A&E

my cousin came up for a week, and looking for things to do i suggested a bike ride. I put her on my £1000 touring bike, whilst i rode my new 2 week old Carrera Vengeance Disc Ltd. I thought i would take on a nice easy flat(ish) ride along the Tyne River. Its a proper marked cycle route. Well half way into my journey past wallsend ship yards, there is a nice long downhill stretch. I decided to freewheel down it, I got so far down when i noticed a cyclist coming up the hill.

I went left, he went right. So we were both on the same side of the path, and i was doing between 10-15mph when i locked both disk brakes up. The entire path was covered in wet leaves, and i just skidded toward him without stopping. i turned the bars to my right to try and get clear of him, but my hands were still clinging onto the brakes for dear life.

I lost the bike from then on, and smashed into this bloke with my bike almost over on its right side, i went under, him & his bike went over me, and i don't know how i managed it, but i went skull first into the muddy shoot/leaf soup on the ground.

I instantly jumped up to ask him if he was all right. And all i saw was a nice steady stream of red flowing off the end of my beak and all over my right eye.

And i said to my cousin, that cant be good, and she said, nope i can see bone.

Bugger me, the other guy never once asked me if i was all right ( an indian btw)

Ambulance had a bugger finding me too, luckily all the other guy got was a slight grazed arm, and his chain come off.

Me on the other hand, my new Oakley polarised half jackets are knackered. frames ok but lenses aren't. My left/rear brake handle is hanging off, and my front wheel is badly buckled. At least the ambulance were nice enough to let me put it in back and take it to hospital.

And i still had to ride it 7 miles home when i came out of A&E with 7 stitches above my right eye, nice cut on my arm, and 2 nice grazes top & bottom of right thigh.

And the lessons learned from this

when i am riding on the road, and going to work i ALWAYS were a cycle helmet.

today though, because i was mostly on a flat cycle path i decided to leave it at home.

Thats one mistake i will not make again

Why does it make any difference if the fella on the other bike was Indian ? WTF ?

Flanker37

nothing except he was completely ignorant, and didn't once ask me how i was. all he was worried about was his bike. And i forgot to mention above. this guy turned out to be a Doctor, because both the ambulance people knew him.

If he had went left up the path the same as me we would both have missed each other. I like to think road rules still apply on a cycle path

Anonymous

Maybe he was pi55ed that you lost control and smacked into him ?

Still has nothing to do with him being Indian though, does it or am I missing something ?

Flanker37

yeah fcuk his bike, a so called doctor, and i'm leaking blood all over my face, bike, clothes and ground and all he does is look bewildered and nothing else

afx237vi

I think most people would look bewildered if some guy slid into them and knocked them off their bike!

shouldbeinbed

fast as fupp wrote:

wtf is the fact he was asian got to do with it?

+1 hopefully its an addendum to DDD's ethnicity of cyclists thread not something that should be in the BNP section.

(edit - tho reading the other post whilst I was typing I'm not so sure - Are you suggesting a non indian knocked off his bike out of the blue would have been offering you tea and sympathy?)

Flanker - TBH he was probably p'd off the have been hammered into going about his own buiness rather than worried about your beak and glasses. glad its minor injuries all round.

Try the quiet roads down the Tyne from Wylam down to Ovingham / ton if you want a nice quiet scenic route on not bad roads, over the river and up to Prudhoe and round again - theres a few different ways to make nice different length and inclined routes.

I've not tried the paths down that part past the city centre, I'm going to nab my Bro's bike and have a run out that way next time I'm up home.

Anonymous

Flanker37 wrote:

yeah fcuk his bike, a so called doctor, and i'm leaking blood all over my face, bike, clothes and ground and all he does is look bewildered and nothing else

I'm bewildered too, think I'll flag up your Original post as racist.

deptfordmarmoset

http://raghavsubramanian.blogspot.com/2 ... india.html

''Do we drive on the left or
right of the road? The answer is "both". Basically you start on the left of the road, unless it is occupied. In that case, go to the right, unless
that is also occupied.Then proceed by occupying the next available gap, as in chess. Just trust your instincts, ascertain the direction, and proceed.
Adherence to road rules leads to much misery and occasional fatality.''

fast as fupp

Flanker37 wrote:

yeah fcuk his bike, a so called doctor, and i'm leaking blood all over my face, bike, clothes and ground and all he does is look bewildered and nothing else

BOO HOO!

volvicspar

He probably thought, ffs it's bad enough I have to stitch people up all day at work without people crashing into me

Chip \'oyler

fast as fupp wrote:

wtf is the fact he was asian got to do with it?

+1

If you'd have displayed your shite bike handling skills and ploughed into me I wouldn't be too happy either. (is there an emoticon smiley for w•anker?)

BTW - I'm white.

nolf

The fact you managed to lock up your brakes freewheeling down a leafy path...
Maybe try improving handling skills/ being more careful in future?

I am a bit sympathetic thats a rubbishly bad outcome for a low speed collision but it really was your fault.

Also I've had to cycle further than that with worse injuries than that just to reach an ambulance in the first place.

afcbian

No sympathy here either.
Why did you feel the need to even mention his ethnicity ??

Flanker37

Now that i've had time to relax and reflect

I certainly didn't make any racist comments, I never said it was his fault either. Nor mine, its just one of those cases where shit happens.

It just bugs me that this guy just stood about like a dork for the 10 minutes it took the ambulance to arrive, not saying anything to me the whole time.

And i learned later that night from my cousin that he didn't even put his own chain back on. My cousin did that for him.... whats the matter, not want to get his precious doctor hands covered in oil

And as for my riding skills, for someone who hasnt had an accident in 33 years, who does a daily commute of 15 miles to work and back, who does an average bike ride 200 miles a week.... this is the first bike ive had with hydraulic disk brakes, so its a lot different from my tourer

Anonymous

Flanker37 wrote:

Now that i've had time to relax and reflect

I certainly didn't make any racist comments, I never said it was his fault either. Nor mine, its just one of those cases where shoot happens.

It just bugs me that this guy just stood about like a dork for the 10 minutes it took the ambulance to arrive, not saying anything to me the whole time.

And i learned later that night from my cousin that he didn't even put his own chain back on. My cousin did that for him.... whats the matter, not want to get his precious doctor hands covered in oil

And as for my riding skills, for someone who hasnt had an accident in 33 years, who does a daily commute of 15 miles to work and back, who does an average bike ride 200 miles a week.... this is the first bike ive had with hydraulic disk brakes, so its a lot different from my tourer

Relax and reflect ?

You seem to be missing the point, " an indian btw" insinuates that for some reason being an "indian" was a major factor in the incident.

Whats the point, can't believe I'm still pursuing this as you seem to resent the fact the bloke YOU crashed into did not help you because he is Indian. Why don't you get off this forum and find a nice right wing BNP stylee forum where your views and comments will be welcomed rather than questioned.

Dazzza

My you roadies are a cheerful bunch.

skinson

I'm not racist...............................I hate everybody
Dave

thejesusandsedischain

well at least i now know to avoid the c2c route near my house unless i wont to be mowed down by somebody who having never ridden disk brakes didnt think to check them out before a ride and cant fit his helmet over his KKK head gear.

tatanab

The main thing to learn from this is that if you see somebody approaching on an off road cycle route, bridleway whatever, then you can lay odds of 100 to 1 that they will move to their right hand side. I've seen it many many times over the years and really do not know why they do it.

salsarider79

Oh.My.God.Please. :evil:
You said that he's a doctor, cos "everyone in the ambulance knew him". Do you know he was a doctor, or are you guessing? If you had been that guy, what do you think you would have done? Go rushing over to check the other guy? Maybe go and hit the other guy for crashing into you?

Please Note: Race doesn't matter. It's a very sensitive issue currently, with the BNP being so vocal and stuff. Oh, and you can't expect people to run round looking after you. At least the ambulance was able to get to you, and 10minutes wait isn't that bad. I had to wait longer after my motorbike crash.

The Hedgehog

dmclite wrote:

Flanker37 wrote:

Now that i've had time to relax and reflect

I certainly didn't make any racist comments, I never said it was his fault either. Nor mine, its just one of those cases where shoot happens.

It just bugs me that this guy just stood about like a dork for the 10 minutes it took the ambulance to arrive, not saying anything to me the whole time.

And i learned later that night from my cousin that he didn't even put his own chain back on. My cousin did that for him.... whats the matter, not want to get his precious doctor hands covered in oil

And as for my riding skills, for someone who hasnt had an accident in 33 years, who does a daily commute of 15 miles to work and back, who does an average bike ride 200 miles a week.... this is the first bike ive had with hydraulic disk brakes, so its a lot different from my tourer

Relax and reflect ?

You seem to be missing the point, " an indian btw" insinuates that for some reason being an "indian" was a major factor in the incident.

Whats the point, can't believe I'm still pursuing this as you seem to resent the fact the bloke YOU crashed into did not help you because he is Indian. Why don't you get off this forum and find a nice right wing BNP stylee forum where your views and comments will be welcomed rather than questioned.

I'm in complete agreement.

Saying 'I certainly didn't make any racist comments' is such an untruth. Most racism that unfortunately still exists in this country is exhibited through exactly this type of comment & attitude. As if somehow its acceptable & ok to put ethnic minorities down and/or explain people's perceived wrongdoings based on the colour of their skin/ethnic background. I am shocked at YOUR ignorance.

Your post was TOTALLY racist and you ought to be very ashamed of yourself for holding such small minded views. I have no second thoughts about this & will be flagging this up as a racist comment.

Chip \'oyler

thejesusandsedischain wrote:

well at least i now know to avoid the c2c route near my house unless i wont to be mowed down by somebody who having never ridden disk brakes didnt think to check them out before a ride and cant fit his helmet over his KKK head gear.

shouldbeinbed

Flanker37 wrote:

Now that i've had time to relax and reflect

I certainly didn't make any racist comments, I never said it was his fault either. Nor mine, its just one of those cases where shoot happens

yes you did and made them worse by explaining them further, you come across as completely prejudiced - quite right nothing to blame him for it at all - it was totally your fault - nothing to do with shoot happens, you're inexperience/refusal to learn caused it all. if it was unavoidable due to the conditions why did only you bin your bike out of the 3 people there?

It just bugs me that this guy just stood about like a dork for the 10 minutes it took the ambulance to arrive, not saying anything to me the whole time.

And i learned later that night from my cousin that he didn't even put his own chain back on. My cousin did that for him.... whats the matter, not want to get his precious doctor hands covered in oil

Maybe it was his first time on a bike and you'd scared the bejesus out of him, you also mention a grazed chin that meant he hit his head after you smashed into him - maybe he was a bit dazed by it all. injuries don't need to have blood - think of someone else for a change.

And as for my riding skills, for someone who hasnt had an accident in 33 years, who does a daily commute of 15 miles to work and back, who does an average bike ride 200 miles a week.... this is the first bike ive had with hydraulic disk brakes, so its a lot different from my tourer

35 years never used hydraulic or discs before this september and my daily ride includes several miles of hilly wet leafed to bits country park tarmac. I've managed not to crash or hurt anyone else in my 160 odd miles a week. Getting used to new kit and the changing seasons is called EXPERIENCE, you would appear to have just ridden a bike for 33 years on dumb luck by the sounds of it

Buckled_Rims

Interesting how everyone has picked this up as a racist statement. I have sneaking suspicion that most of those who object are from the south of England.

Be honest, if the statement had said " a Scotsman"....how many would have picked it out and complained?

I hear nouns being used as adjectives (I think that's correct, been over 35 years since I was at school) all the time. It sometimes irritates me because I call it the "WTF has that got to do with it?" syndrome and the answer usually is "well I'm trying to explain".

Maybe I'm being a bit hypersensitive to a fellow Geordie, but many of the statements leaves a bad taste of Culturism (against the way a person speaks), never mind racism.

I like forums, usenet etc. Most of the discussions are great, but every so often I see people jumping on a crusade bandwagon and being more bigoted then the offending article. One of the main things about forums is that sometimes you write the way you speak and that can look strange to anothers eyes. As the vast majority of those reading this article are south of the Leeds - Manchester line, a Geordie writing the way he speaks is going to read very different.

Also interesting to note, that the original poster might still be in shock after a bad crash, yet, nobody has mentioned that. If you've ever been in an accident you'll soon understand the systems of shock by the babbling. He was viewing the accident through his eyes and "telling the truth" as he saw it. If this is again true, then many of the previous posts were indeed bigoted reponses.


Interesting to see who shouts at me for speaking my mind.

teagar

Buckled_Rims wrote:

Interesting how everyone has picked this up as a racist statement. I have sneaking suspicion that most of those who object are from the south of England.

Be honest, if the statement had said " a Scotsman"....how many would have picked it out and complained?

It'd still have been odd if he'd said a Scotsman, but, the Scots, unlike Indians, do not have a history of discrimination based on their race. I see no 19th or 20th Century articles arguing that Scots are racially inferior and a rung lower than the English (and that is precisely what I specialised in at university).

Indeed, Scots were themselves very much involved in the whole colonial European exploration of the rest of the world, namely Livingstone and Mungo Park, who both racialised (unconsciously) their findings.

It is moments like this that demonstrate that inherrent, unconscious and even unwanted racism still exists. I'm sure the OP doesn't believe he's racist. Why would he?

That's why the reaction needs to be fierce. In order to demonstrate that these things still do exist and still do need to be address. Discrimination towards minorites still goes on and still makes British society an uneven playing field. That's why you get these strong reactions, in an attempt to redress the balance.

Chip \'oyler

Buckled_Rims wrote:

Interesting how everyone has picked this up as a racist statement. I have sneaking suspicion that most of those who object are from the south of England.

Be honest, if the statement had said " a Scotsman"....how many would have picked it out and complained?

I hear nouns being used as adjectives (I think that's correct, been over 35 years since I was at school) all the time. It sometimes irritates me because I call it the "WTF has that got to do with it?" syndrome and the answer usually is "well I'm trying to explain".

Maybe I'm being a bit hypersensitive to a fellow Geordie, but many of the statements leaves a bad taste of Culturism (against the way a person speaks), never mind racism.

I like forums, usenet etc. Most of the discussions are great, but every so often I see people jumping on a crusade bandwagon and being more bigoted then the offending article. One of the main things about forums is that sometimes you write the way you speak and that can look strange to anothers eyes. As the vast majority of those reading this article are south of the Leeds - Manchester line, a Geordie writing the way he speaks is going to read very different.

Also interesting to note, that the original poster might still be in shock after a bad crash, yet, nobody has mentioned that. If you've ever been in an accident you'll soon understand the systems of shock by the babbling. He was viewing the accident through his eyes and "telling the truth" as he saw it. If this is again true, then many of the previous posts were indeed bigoted reponses.


Interesting to see who shouts at me for speaking my mind.

Boo hoo - poor badly done to Geordies. Everyone's against you. If I were you I'd take that chip off your shoulder.

My brother has already commented on the guy's post. My brother lives in Newcastle and is from Barnsley, so no Southern bias there. I live in Leeds. And from my experience mentioning whether a guy is Indian, Scottish or a Maori has got nothing to do with the situation.

So could you tell me if the word 'Indian' and it's reference in the OP means something different in the Geordie tongue?

Limburger

Buckled_Rims wrote:

Interesting how everyone has picked this up as a racist statement. I have sneaking suspicion that most of those who object are from the south of England.

Be honest, if the statement had said " a Scotsman"....how many would have picked it out and complained?

I hear nouns being used as adjectives (I think that's correct, been over 35 years since I was at school) all the time. It sometimes irritates me because I call it the "WTF has that got to do with it?" syndrome and the answer usually is "well I'm trying to explain".

Maybe I'm being a bit hypersensitive to a fellow Geordie, but many of the statements leaves a bad taste of Culturism (against the way a person speaks), never mind racism.

I like forums, usenet etc. Most of the discussions are great, but every so often I see people jumping on a crusade bandwagon and being more bigoted then the offending article. One of the main things about forums is that sometimes you write the way you speak and that can look strange to anothers eyes. As the vast majority of those reading this article are south of the Leeds - Manchester line, a Geordie writing the way he speaks is going to read very different.

Also interesting to note, that the original poster might still be in shock after a bad crash, yet, nobody has mentioned that. If you've ever been in an accident you'll soon understand the systems of shock by the babbling. He was viewing the accident through his eyes and "telling the truth" as he saw it. If this is again true, then many of the previous posts were indeed bigoted reponses.


Interesting to see who shouts at me for speaking my mind.

+1 for some common northern sense (Originally from Scumberland)

I like how the first thing people question on here is why the OP felt the need to elaborate on who he collided with.
He hit a bloke who was Indian (or Pakistani or Bangladeshi or martian FFS)
There is absolutely nothing racist about that.

All those who lambasted the OP for mentioning the cyclist was Indian are feeling bloody guilty about something. Suggests to me you have some sort of ultra sensitivity which is exactly the sort of crap the BNP pick up on.
Its like a headline from The Sun.

"Fascist Britain: Saying Indian a crime"

There is absolutely nothing wrong with describing someone. If I have to direct someone to a colleague I do so by describing what they look like. The Turkish guy with the beard, the Vietnamese girl. Thats not racist. Thats a good description of what they look like.

Also an English lesson for you.
Indian is not a race, its a nationality. Therefore the worst thing you could do is be xenophobic by making derogatory remarks based on someone being Indian.
There are only 5 races of human beings on the planet.
Caucasian includes English, the rest of Europe AND the Indian subcontinent. (Classically speaking, obviously migration buggers all that up).

Get out of that one.

afx237vi

Limburger wrote:

+1 for some common northern sense (Originally from Scumberland)

I like how the first thing people question on here is why the OP felt the need to elaborate on who he collided with.
He hit a bloke who was Indian (or Pakistani or Bangladeshi or martian FFS)
There is absolutely nothing racist about that.

All those who lambasted the OP for mentioning the cyclist was Indian are feeling bloody guilty about something. Suggests to me you have some sort of ultra sensitivity which is exactly the sort of crap the BNP pick up on.
Its like a headline from The Sun.

"Fascist Britain: Saying Indian a crime"

There is absolutely nothing wrong with describing someone. If I have to direct someone to a colleague I do so by describing what they look like. The Turkish guy with the beard, the Vietnamese girl. Thats not racist. Thats a good description of what they look like.

Also an English lesson for you.
Indian is not a race, its a nationality. Therefore the worst thing you could do is be xenophobic by making derogatory remarks based on someone being Indian.
There are only 5 races of human beings on the planet.
Caucasian includes English, the rest of Europe AND the Indian subcontinent. (Classically speaking, obviously migration buggers all that up).

Get out of that one.

No-one has said otherwise. People are objecting to the implication that the other guy had a bad attitude because he was an Indian. That is wrong, however way you look at it.

Chip \'oyler

Limburger wrote:

Buckled_Rims wrote:

Interesting how everyone has picked this up as a racist statement. I have sneaking suspicion that most of those who object are from the south of England.

Be honest, if the statement had said " a Scotsman"....how many would have picked it out and complained?

I hear nouns being used as adjectives (I think that's correct, been over 35 years since I was at school) all the time. It sometimes irritates me because I call it the "WTF has that got to do with it?" syndrome and the answer usually is "well I'm trying to explain".

Maybe I'm being a bit hypersensitive to a fellow Geordie, but many of the statements leaves a bad taste of Culturism (against the way a person speaks), never mind racism.

I like forums, usenet etc. Most of the discussions are great, but every so often I see people jumping on a crusade bandwagon and being more bigoted then the offending article. One of the main things about forums is that sometimes you write the way you speak and that can look strange to anothers eyes. As the vast majority of those reading this article are south of the Leeds - Manchester line, a Geordie writing the way he speaks is going to read very different.

Also interesting to note, that the original poster might still be in shock after a bad crash, yet, nobody has mentioned that. If you've ever been in an accident you'll soon understand the systems of shock by the babbling. He was viewing the accident through his eyes and "telling the truth" as he saw it. If this is again true, then many of the previous posts were indeed bigoted reponses.


Interesting to see who shouts at me for speaking my mind.

+1 for some common northern sense (Originally from Scumberland)

I like how the first thing people question on here is why the OP felt the need to elaborate on who he collided with.
He hit a bloke who was Indian (or Pakistani or Bangladeshi or martian FFS)
There is absolutely nothing racist about that.

All those who lambasted the OP for mentioning the cyclist was Indian are feeling bloody guilty about something. Suggests to me you have some sort of ultra sensitivity which is exactly the sort of crap the BNP pick up on.
Its like a headline from The Sun.

"Fascist Britain: Saying Indian a crime"

There is absolutely nothing wrong with describing someone. If I have to direct someone to a colleague I do so by describing what they look like. The Turkish guy with the beard, the Vietnamese girl. Thats not racist. Thats a good description of what they look like.

Also an English lesson for you.
Indian is not a race, its a nationality. Therefore the worst thing you could do is be xenophobic by making derogatory remarks based on someone being Indian.
There are only 5 races of human beings on the planet.
Caucasian includes English, the rest of Europe AND the Indian subcontinent. (Classically speaking, obviously migration buggers all that up).

Get out of that one.

If the guy had mentioned that he'd crashed into an Indian bloke then I don't think there would have been the reaction to the OP.

However I'll just pop in the OP's original sentence

"Bugger me, the other guy never once asked me if i was all right ( an indian btw)"

It's the inclusion of 'By the way' which carries some sort of insinuation