First Crash folks, serious leasons learned

Chip \'oyler

volvicspar wrote:

Wasn't there some research recent;y that proved that we are all racist from the day we are born. ? I see nothing wrong with his comments, whoever commented about if he had been a Scotsman was spot on. Certainly it would not have been racist if he had said "he was British BTW". Too sensitive these days.

The point is WTF has someones ethnicity/nationality/regionality got to do with the original crash and the crashee's failure to respond to the OP?

Anyway we're all missing the point - in the North East somewhere is a cyclist who locks his brakes up very easily and flys at people not wearing an helmet. Stay clear of him at all costs!

zanes

dmclite wrote:

zanes wrote:

volvicspar wrote:

Certainly it would not have been racist if he had said "he was British BTW". Too sensitive these days.

Yeah, but that would have been "different", wouldn't it DMC?

Any racism is abhorrent to me. being Scottish and living in England gives you perspective. Have you travelled Zanes, been part of different communities, I base my views on 26 years of travelling the world, how about you ?

Well, considering I'm not even 26!

I'd like to think I've mixed fairly well over the course of my life, with a reasonable amount of travel over asia. maybe I have, maybe I haven't. I'm still at a loss to see how saying he was indian is racist, although I suspect some of the usual interwebz not being face-to-face malarky is playing up here.

Question: Would it be racist for a witness to tell the rozzers the offender "was indian, btw?"

Edit;

Anyway we're all missing the point - in the North East somewhere is a cyclist who locks his brakes up very easily and flys at people not wearing an helmet. Stay clear of him at all costs!

I lol'd at this mental image. Caution, low flying cyclists ahead....

Limburger

dmclite wrote:

Limburger wrote:

dmclite wrote:

Institutional racism is when an INSTITUTION is racist. For example when the Met Police were accused of institutional racism after the murder of Stephen Lawrence


If I may correct your misinformed understanding.

Definition: The term "institutional racism" describes societal patterns that have the net effect of imposing oppressive or otherwise negative conditions against identifiable groups on the basis of race or ethnicity.

Getting back to the point of the OP, I can't believe a number of people are defending his comments.Shameful.

You may not, because you are wrong. Just did a quick search and looked at 8 definitions - none of which matched yours.

I think the BBC site has 3 nice ones.
"The collective failure of an organisation to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin. It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people."
The Macpherson report
"Institutional racism is that which, covertly or overtly, resides in the policies, procedures, operations and culture of public or private institutions - reinforcing individual prejudices and being reinforced by them in turn."
A. Sivanandan, Director, Institute of Race Relations

"If racist consequences accrue to institutional laws, customs or practices, that institution is racist whether or not the individuals maintaning those practices have racial intentions."
The Commission for Racial Equality

Good to see you are defending racism, right wing Netherlander, nice. Can't see why you are so keen to defend a racist slur on this forum, why are you so Keen ?

See this is the problem with this sort of discussion.

I don't think anyone has defended racism, I know I most certainly haven't. I deplore all prejudice. If you believe I am defending racism you either didn't read or understand what I wrote; you are being deliberately obtuse or are trying to label me as a racist because I have challenged you and that annoys you.

You clearly haven't read everything as I stated earlier I am from Sunderland but left the UK due to the prevalence of idiots. So no I am not a right wing Netherlander, I am, as they say, a buitenlander.

I notice you originally insulted me by calling me an 'ignoramus' which is where your arguments fall down if you cannot formulate a coherent and convincing argument.

volvicspar

How can it be discriminatory if that comment is only racist against certain races ? It should be considered racist against all or it is not racist at all. Isn't that paving the way for more racism ? History should not matter - or come into it.

To say that comment would not have been racist if he had been white but it is racist because he is Indian is wrong in my opinion.

The world has gone mad :roll:

teagar

volvicspar wrote:

How can it be discriminatory if that comment is only racist against certain races ? It should be considered racist against all or it is not racist at all. Isn't that paving the way for more racism ? History should not matter - or come into it.

To say that comment would not have been racist if he had been white but it is racist because he is Indian is wrong in my opinion.

The world has gone mad :roll:

You're quite wrong.

It's the level of social response/outcry.

Not whether it is racist or not.

And the past, imagined or not, has to come into it.

It's not an instant issue. It's an issue which has developed and changed over time.

Mothyman

...when I first read the post I pictured the author in a stetson with spurs on....
:roll:

how about we ask the author exactly what he meant...

Anonymous

Limburger wrote:

dmclite wrote:

Limburger wrote:

dmclite wrote:

Institutional racism is when an INSTITUTION is racist. For example when the Met Police were accused of institutional racism after the murder of Stephen Lawrence


If I may correct your misinformed understanding.

Definition: The term "institutional racism" describes societal patterns that have the net effect of imposing oppressive or otherwise negative conditions against identifiable groups on the basis of race or ethnicity.

Getting back to the point of the OP, I can't believe a number of people are defending his comments.Shameful.

You may not, because you are wrong. Just did a quick search and looked at 8 definitions - none of which matched yours.

I think the BBC site has 3 nice ones.
"The collective failure of an organisation to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin. It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people."
The Macpherson report
"Institutional racism is that which, covertly or overtly, resides in the policies, procedures, operations and culture of public or private institutions - reinforcing individual prejudices and being reinforced by them in turn."
A. Sivanandan, Director, Institute of Race Relations

"If racist consequences accrue to institutional laws, customs or practices, that institution is racist whether or not the individuals maintaning those practices have racial intentions."
The Commission for Racial Equality

Good to see you are defending racism, right wing Netherlander, nice. Can't see why you are so keen to defend a racist slur on this forum, why are you so Keen ?

See this is the problem with this sort of discussion.

I don't think anyone has defended racism, I know I most certainly haven't. I deplore all prejudice. If you believe I am defending racism you either didn't read or understand what I wrote; you are being deliberately obtuse or are trying to label me as a racist because I have challenged you and that annoys you.

You clearly haven't read everything as I stated earlier I am from Sunderland but left the UK due to the prevalence of idiots. So no I am not a right wing Netherlander, I am, as they say, a buitenlander.

I notice you originally insulted me by calling me an 'ignoramus' which is where your arguments fall down if you cannot formulate a coherent and convincing argument.

Not an insult, simply stating a fact.

Special K

Dare I say it, but ethnicity not entirely irrelevant given the road manners and attitude: precisely what I have seen in India before following a crash and precisely what I wouldn't expect to find here. No question of whether it is good or bad. Everywhere is different - some people react in different ways. Spotting those differences that make up the diversity is not racist per se. Would you all be jumping up and down and wringing your hands if the OP had mentioned that he was Dutch?

teagar

Special K wrote:

Dare I say it, but ethnicity not entirely irrelevant given the road manners and attitude: precisely what I have seen in India before following a crash and precisely what I wouldn't expect to find here. No question of whether it is good or bad. Everywhere is different - some people react in different ways. Spotting those differences that make up the diversity is not racist per se. Would you all be jumping up and down and wringing your hands if the OP had mentioned that he was Dutch?

What's being Dutch got to do with anything?


You're on thin ice here.

Flanker37

OK, take 2.

You’re right I was in shock, and the local anaesthetic was wearing off when I wrote this an hour after getting in the house.

All this hate aimed at me is something else.

My hats off to Buckled_Rims, yeah we Geordies do have mannerisms & speech patterns different to most, and yes I do write on forums like I would speak too.

We will forget about this guy being an Asian for a moment, and recap after I learned new things today.

If it all comes off as being racist, then so be it, it is certainly not my intent, it’s just the way I talk.

It would appear there is a few of you here can’t read properly. Because I never once said he hit his head, or chin. I said his chain came off, and he had a slight graze on his left arm. I want you all to remember this “fact”

we were both in the middle of the path, I turned to avoid him he turned into me. So should I not be the one p!ssed here. So far you are all on his side.
The first thing I did was ask him if he was ok, he wasn’t in pain or anything and he was standing over his bike when I picked my self off the ground blood pouring from my head with my skull exposed.
during the whole time I was on the phone to the ambulance service, this guy just stood there mute. My cousin standing between us.
as my cousin was from Leicester, and I had a hard time explaining the 999 were I was exactly (being in a sort of ravine) the Asian didn’t even know where he was exactly, so I was thankful for a passing elderly couple on the opposite footpath trial who came along explained to 999 where we exactly.
The elderly gentleman even volunteered to wait at the top of the hill to flag the ambulance down. Whilst his wife fussed over me.
The Indian guy was checking out his bike, whilst the woman insisted I lie down because of my injuries, and I told her I felt fine. I even suggested that we all go up to the top of the hill to meet the ambulance, as we would have to go up there eventually anyway. When I went to collect my bike I saw my cousin fiddling with the other chaps bike, but thought nothing of it at the time.
I got to the top of the hill just as the ambulance pulled up, and was wisked straight inside and asked what had happened, and I told them I had also hit another bloke and was coming up the hill.
Whilst the female ambulance driver was cleaning out my head wound, I could not believe what happened next, the ambulance driver pointed to the chap I had just hit, and said “you couldn’t have hit a nicer bloke, this guy’s a doctor”
And then the ambulance guy asked him if he was ok, and he showed him his arm with a an inch & a half graze on his inner forearm. Which he then asked the ambulance guy to bandage for him.
Just before the closed the ambulance doors I thanked to old couple for helping me, and apologized to the Indian chap for hitting him (lets not forget at this point that from the moment he turned into my path we were both doomed)
It wasn’t until I was waiting in A&E waiting room that I got a txt off my cousin saying that this guy didn’t want to get his hands dirty and asked her to put his chain back on for him.

Now I don’t care what nationality he was, he could have been another diehard Geordie for all I care. This guy came off as a complete ponce, and for a Doctor, who couldn’t even put his own chain on, didn’t ask if I was ok and had a tiny little scuff on his arm bandaged for him, is what is winding me up, that and all the hateful posts aimed at me.

I didn’t get my 7 inch long cut on my arm bandaged, or the 2 cuts on my leg.

And for those of you calling my skills into question

If I did anything wrong, it was to presume to think that travelling at slower speeds on flat national cycle networks without wearing a helmet would be safer than riding on roads with one.

And locking both brakes up instead of just the back to give me at least some steerabilty to avoid hitting the other bloke.

I’m sure you are all unflappable when the moment of panic hits you and all you want to do is stop.

These are the facts as I see them, make of it what you will

I’m still the victim here

Anonymous

Flanker37 wrote:

OK, take 2.

You’re right I was in shock, and the local anaesthetic was wearing off when I wrote this an hour after getting in the house.

All this hate aimed at me is something else.

My hats off to Buckled_Rims, yeah we Geordies do have mannerisms & speech patterns different to most, and yes I do write on forums like I would speak too.

We will forget about this guy being an Asian for a moment, and recap after I learned new things today.

If it all comes off as being racist, then so be it, it is certainly not my intent, it’s just the way I talk.

It would appear there is a few of you here can’t read properly. Because I never once said he hit his head, or chin. I said his chain came off, and he had a slight graze on his left arm. I want you all to remember this “fact”

we were both in the middle of the path, I turned to avoid him he turned into me. So should I not be the one p!ssed here. So far you are all on his side.
The first thing I did was ask him if he was ok, he wasn’t in pain or anything and he was standing over his bike when I picked my self off the ground blood pouring from my head with my skull exposed.
during the whole time I was on the phone to the ambulance service, this guy just stood there mute. My cousin standing between us.
as my cousin was from Leicester, and I had a hard time explaining the 999 were I was exactly (being in a sort of ravine) the Asian didn’t even know where he was exactly, so I was thankful for a passing elderly couple on the opposite footpath trial who came along explained to 999 where we exactly.
The elderly gentleman even volunteered to wait at the top of the hill to flag the ambulance down. Whilst his wife fussed over me.
The Indian guy was checking out his bike, whilst the woman insisted I lie down because of my injuries, and I told her I felt fine. I even suggested that we all go up to the top of the hill to meet the ambulance, as we would have to go up there eventually anyway. When I went to collect my bike I saw my cousin fiddling with the other chaps bike, but thought nothing of it at the time.
I got to the top of the hill just as the ambulance pulled up, and was wisked straight inside and asked what had happened, and I told them I had also hit another bloke and was coming up the hill.
Whilst the female ambulance driver was cleaning out my head wound, I could not believe what happened next, the ambulance driver pointed to the chap I had just hit, and said “you couldn’t have hit a nicer bloke, this guy’s a doctor”
And then the ambulance guy asked him if he was ok, and he showed him his arm with a an inch & a half graze on his inner forearm. Which he then asked the ambulance guy to bandage for him.
Just before the closed the ambulance doors I thanked to old couple for helping me, and apologized to the Indian chap for hitting him (lets not forget at this point that from the moment he turned into my path we were both doomed)
It wasn’t until I was waiting in A&E waiting room that I got a txt off my cousin saying that this guy didn’t want to get his hands dirty and asked her to put his chain back on for him.

Now I don’t care what nationality he was, he could have been another diehard Geordie for all I care. This guy came off as a complete ponce, and for a Doctor, who couldn’t even put his own chain on, didn’t ask if I was ok and had a tiny little scuff on his arm bandaged for him, is what is winding me up, that and all the hateful posts aimed at me.

I didn’t get my 7 inch long cut on my arm bandaged, or the 2 cuts on my leg.

And for those of you calling my skills into question

If I did anything wrong, it was to presume to think that travelling at slower speeds on flat national cycle networks without wearing a helmet would be safer than riding on roads with one.

And locking both brakes up instead of just the back to give me at least some steerabilty to avoid hitting the other bloke.

I’m sure you are all unflappable when the moment of panic hits you and all you want to do is stop.

These are the facts as I see them, make of it what you will

I’m still the victim here

Tell it to Matthew Wright, pmsl.
You are about as sincere as X Factor.
No more posts from me. :roll:

bazbadger

If that chap really was a doctor, he's in the wrong job.

Like reading the Guardian, this thread...

Bloomin leaves.

rake

Buckled_Rims

volvicspar wrote:

Wasn't there some research recent;y that proved that we are all racist from the day we are born. ? I see nothing wrong with his comments, whoever commented about if he had been a Scotsman was spot on. Certainly it would not have been racist if he had said "he was British BTW". Too sensitive these days.

Not sure if its the same research but humans are a "discriminatory animal". We pick and choose what we want either through colour, smell or logic. We would have died out if we were a random animal. Imagine going to a club and picking the first random girl you see as your wife - but then again you might be lucky.

Chip \'oyler

rake wrote:

this has been blown all out of proportion. he was probably just miffed that this indian gentleman didnt appear to show any concern at all for another fellow citizen of this country(of any ethnicity). i support towards people who ride on the left as we also drive on the left and its a reasonable assumption.the relevance of this guy being indian is probably the road rules that apply in india(lack of) and the chaos that ensues there as a result.

Fook me I've read it all now :roll:

afx237vi

rake wrote:

this has been blown all out of proportion. he was probably just miffed that this indian gentleman didnt appear to show any concern at all for another fellow citizen of this country(of any ethnicity). i support towards people who ride on the left as we also drive on the left and its a reasonable assumption.the relevance of this guy being indian is probably the road rules that apply in india(lack of) and the chaos that ensues there as a result.

How do we even know the guy was Indian?! Did the OP ask to see his passport after he wiped him out?

volvicspar

Chip \'oyler wrote:

rake wrote:

this has been blown all out of proportion. he was probably just miffed that this indian gentleman didnt appear to show any concern at all for another fellow citizen of this country(of any ethnicity). i support towards people who ride on the left as we also drive on the left and its a reasonable assumption.the relevance of this guy being indian is probably the road rules that apply in india(lack of) and the chaos that ensues there as a result.

Fook me I've read it all now :roll:

Have you never been to India ? The motorist there are nearly as bad as in London

carrock

I see no 19th or 20th Century articles arguing that Scots are racially inferior and a rung lower than the English

True- although quite afew people North of Carlisle think the opposite..

GavH

Flanker37 wrote:

OK, take 2.

You’re right I was in shock, and the local anaesthetic was wearing off when I wrote this an hour after getting in the house.


All this hate aimed at me is something else.

My hats off to Buckled_Rims, yeah we Geordies do have mannerisms & speech patterns different to most, and yes I do write on forums like I would speak too.

We will forget about this guy being an Asian for a moment, and recap after I learned new things today.

If it all comes off as being racist, then so be it, it is certainly not my intent, it’s just the way I talk.

It would appear there is a few of you here can’t read properly. Because I never once said he hit his head, or chin. I said his chain came off, and he had a slight graze on his left arm. I want you all to remember this “fact”

we were both in the middle of the path, I turned to avoid him he turned into me. So should I not be the one p!ssed here. So far you are all on his side.
The first thing I did was ask him if he was ok, he wasn’t in pain or anything and he was standing over his bike when I picked my self off the ground blood pouring from my head with my skull exposed.
during the whole time I was on the phone to the ambulance service, this guy just stood there mute. My cousin standing between us.
as my cousin was from Leicester, and I had a hard time explaining the 999 were I was exactly (being in a sort of ravine) the Asian didn’t even know where he was exactly, so I was thankful for a passing elderly couple on the opposite footpath trial who came along explained to 999 where we exactly.
The elderly gentleman even volunteered to wait at the top of the hill to flag the ambulance down. Whilst his wife fussed over me.
The Indian guy was checking out his bike, whilst the woman insisted I lie down because of my injuries, and I told her I felt fine. I even suggested that we all go up to the top of the hill to meet the ambulance, as we would have to go up there eventually anyway. When I went to collect my bike I saw my cousin fiddling with the other chaps bike, but thought nothing of it at the time.
I got to the top of the hill just as the ambulance pulled up, and was wisked straight inside and asked what had happened, and I told them I had also hit another bloke and was coming up the hill.
Whilst the female ambulance driver was cleaning out my head wound, I could not believe what happened next, the ambulance driver pointed to the chap I had just hit, and said “you couldn’t have hit a nicer bloke, this guy’s a doctor”
And then the ambulance guy asked him if he was ok, and he showed him his arm with a an inch & a half graze on his inner forearm. Which he then asked the ambulance guy to bandage for him.
Just before the closed the ambulance doors I thanked to old couple for helping me, and apologized to the Indian chap for hitting him (lets not forget at this point that from the moment he turned into my path we were both doomed)
It wasn’t until I was waiting in A&E waiting room that I got a txt off my cousin saying that this guy didn’t want to get his hands dirty and asked her to put his chain back on for him.

Now I don’t care what nationality he was, he could have been another diehard Geordie for all I care. This guy came off as a complete ponce, and for a Doctor, who couldn’t even put his own chain on, didn’t ask if I was ok and had a tiny little scuff on his arm bandaged for him, is what is winding me up, that and all the hateful posts aimed at me.

I didn’t get my 7 inch long cut on my arm bandaged, or the 2 cuts on my leg.

And for those of you calling my skills into question

If I did anything wrong, it was to presume to think that travelling at slower speeds on flat national cycle networks without wearing a helmet would be safer than riding on roads with one.

And locking both brakes up instead of just the back to give me at least some steerabilty to avoid hitting the other bloke.

I’m sure you are all unflappable when the moment of panic hits you and all you want to do is stop.

These are the facts as I see them, make of it what you will

I’m still the victim here

I had some sympathy for you until I read this post. I've highlighted the bits that to me, display the fact that you have not in any way taken on board the comments made, some of which, up until now, I felt were possibly unfair.

I'll also take issue with a couple of other comments you've made in this post. Firstly, you mention that you could not care what nationality he was, yet clearly, as it was something you were quick to mention in the OP, you obviously were caring about.

Second, you say you were cycling along 'flat national cycling networks' - didn't you come off going down a hill?

And as for 'locking both brakes up instead of just the back to give me at least some steerabilty' where exactly do you get the idea that both wheels locked = steerability? Front wheel locked - no steering - same in a car, if it aint turning, it aint sterring either. So much for your 30 odd years experience.

I initially thought you were terribly unlucky and that the 'Dr' was a bit of a tit for not at least asking after your wellbeing. Actually, I still think the 'Dr' was probably a tit, but sadly he appears not to have been the only person in a collision that day who seems a bit of a tit.

rake

Jez mon

rake wrote:

just go and look how many busses drive over mopeds there because they drive on the side that they fancy at the time or just up the middle. :!:

and...

xRichx

Quote from Flanker37 earlier...

I went left, he went right. So we were both on the same side of the path, and i was doing between 10-15mph when i locked both disk brakes up. The entire path was covered in wet leaves, and i just skidded toward him without stopping. i turned the bars to my right to try and get clear of him, but my hands were still clinging onto the brakes for dear life.

I lost the bike from then on, and smashed into this bloke with my bike almost over on its right side, i went under, him & his bike went over me, and i don't know how i managed it, but i went skull first into the muddy shoot/leaf soup on the ground.

After being questioned on Flankers bike skills it turns into the other cyclists fault...

I turned to avoid him he turned into me

So you lost the bike, then smashed into him, but it was his fault for turning into you? try to at least keep your story straight!?!

Also, I see you point out that he's indian/asian quite a few times, yet only once refer to him as "this guy"... this need to point out that he's of different ethnicity is being racist, wether it's a concious thought or not is still racist.

As to the fact that he didn't want to get his hands dirty being an arrogant action., maybe thinking about the fact that he had a gash on his arm and you were bleeding from the head, I'd say that he was the sensible one... He knows he's probably the best person there to help out either himself or you if you took a turn for the worse, he wouldn't want to have grease mud etc all over his hands if he was touching open wounds... Also the amount that doctors seem to get sued nowadays for any mistakes, he's probably not wanting to touch you or inform you that he was a doctor due to you probably assuming that he should have patched you up there and then with blood flowing form both of you...

Also, he got his cut cleaned up and wrapped up because he knows that's for the best... you're sat there sounding like you think you're 'tough' by not doing so... I think you really should be asking yourself who knows best about this?

Anonymous

rake wrote:

this has been blown all out of proportion. he was probably just miffed that this indian gentleman didnt appear to show any concern at all for another fellow citizen of this country(of any ethnicity). i support towards people who ride on the left as we also drive on the left and its a reasonable assumption.the relevance of this guy being indian is probably the road rules that apply in india(lack of) and the chaos that ensues there as a result.

Has a lightbulb just gone out or has it just got REALLY dim in here?
:roll: :roll: :roll:

jimmypippa

Just to add my tuppensworth:

There is a big difference between saying "I crashed into this guy and he didn't ask how I was" and, "I crashed into this guy and he didn't ask how I was, (he was Indian BTW)"

The second bit only adds to the story if you consider the person's race to be important in that situation.

Chip \'oyler

volvicspar wrote:

Chip \'oyler wrote:

rake wrote:

this has been blown all out of proportion. he was probably just miffed that this indian gentleman didnt appear to show any concern at all for another fellow citizen of this country(of any ethnicity). i support towards people who ride on the left as we also drive on the left and its a reasonable assumption.the relevance of this guy being indian is probably the road rules that apply in india(lack of) and the chaos that ensues there as a result.

Fook me I've read it all now :roll:

Have you never been to India ? The motorist there are nearly as bad as in London

No my point was that it never occured to you that the 'Indian' guy might in fact never have been to India. That he was British born and bred? Shows a bit of igonorance on your part of the cultural history of Britain.

The Hedgehog

rake wrote:

this has been blown all out of proportion. he was probably just miffed that this indian gentleman didnt appear to show any concern at all for another fellow citizen of this country(of any ethnicity). i support towards people who ride on the left as we also drive on the left and its a reasonable assumption.the relevance of this guy being indian is probably the road rules that apply in india(lack of) and the chaos that ensues there as a result.

:shock:
Holy sh*t. If he had 2 brain cells to rub together he'd be dangerous.

Anonymous

The Hedgehog wrote:

rake wrote:

this has been blown all out of proportion. he was probably just miffed that this indian gentleman didnt appear to show any concern at all for another fellow citizen of this country(of any ethnicity). i support towards people who ride on the left as we also drive on the left and its a reasonable assumption.the relevance of this guy being indian is probably the road rules that apply in india(lack of) and the chaos that ensues there as a result.

:shock:
Holy sh*t. If he had 2 brain cells to rub together he'd be dangerous.

He is so dense, he can bend light.

Barkiesnake

Oh if only everyone was as colour blind as the 5 yr old i overheard in the school playground last week.
When asked by his mother whether "Sami" was the kid with black or brown skin he replied without hesitation, i dont know, i never noticed, he's just Sami !!

His mother went bright red, but i could barely suppress a smile

volvicspar

This thread is so sad. All this OTT for nothing.

shouldbeinbed

Chip \'oyler wrote:

No my point was that it never occured to you that the 'Indian' guy might in fact never have been to India. That he was British born and bred? Shows a bit of igonorance on your part of the cultural history of Britain.

++++1

Flanker - my mistake I thought you'd mentioned he had a graze on his chin.
I went back to read the original to find it heavily edited but manged to see it fully quoted a couple of posts down ( :roll:) even so by your own admission yow went under him & presumably knocked him off his bike so there is a good chance he did bang his head off the ground - you managed it after all. Or is he going to have levitated or bunny hopped over you by your next post?

The more you post the more you make yourself sound like a petulant 5 year old blaming everyone and everything but yourself. You are completely ignoring the consequences you've inflicted on him and anything that may have had a bearing on his reactions before during and after the crash.

You've admitted to being in shock etc, ever thought he was as well and that may have made him act just a bit out of character?

Flanker37 wrote:

I went left, he went right. So we were both on the same side of the path, and i was doing between 10-15mph when i locked both disk brakes up. The entire path was covered in wet leaves, and i just skidded toward him without stopping. i turned the bars to my right to try and get clear of him, but my hands were still clinging onto the brakes for dear life.

I lost the bike from then on, and smashed into this bloke with my bike almost over on its right side, i went under, him & his bike went over me, and i don't know how i managed it, but i went skull first into the muddy shoot/leaf soup on the ground.

You were out of control sliding towards him with fully locked brakes (all the better to steer with :shock:) virtually on your side (how wide is the path? you and bike near horizontal has got to be 5+ feet wide or so). Which bit of any of those factors is his fault and makes you the victim? There were 3 people on bikes and now 2 pedestrians too but only 1 of them fell over, how in the name of God do you see it as anyone elses fault?

Maybe he was trying to steer out of your way to the side that he though was safest, maybe your cousin was behind you blocking him from steering one prticular way, or maybe he was experiencing the same panic reaction as any other human being knowing there was an impact coming and just yanked the bars.
I'm well aware of the North East mentality and language and I've yet to meet anyone that routinely punctuate's their stories with he was Indian, Welsh, Scottish, not from Northumberland etc unless it was directly relevant to the story being told. I even know a couple of people on the BNP leaked list and proud to be there that don't. Please don't try and blame the entire Geordie nation for your poor choice of words however they were meant.