Lance,not about the team ?
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I'm thinking Hitler and Thatcher.
That's a little unfair on Hitler, mentioning him in the same breath as Th*tcher.
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MrChuck wrote:Earthbound wrote:SpaceJunk wrote:Someone from Astana were surely just about to pick him up.
But they didn't.
Did they.
No (well, allegedly!), but you can't think that intent is absolutely irrelevant if you think this story says something about the state of things at Astana? And who knows what the intent was?
Sounds to me like another teams conspiracy against Astana. They got into Astana's
email / communication system and put out bad info. Happens all the time in the CIA spy
business. Maybe another team had a "double agent or mole" embedded in Astana.0 -
dennisn wrote:MrChuck wrote:Earthbound wrote:SpaceJunk wrote:Someone from Astana were surely just about to pick him up.
But they didn't.
Did they.
No (well, allegedly!), but you can't think that intent is absolutely irrelevant if you think this story says something about the state of things at Astana? And who knows what the intent was?
Sounds to me like another teams conspiracy against Astana. They got into Astana's
email / communication system and put out bad info. Happens all the time in the CIA spy
business. Maybe another team had a "double agent or mole" embedded in Astana.
Err, yeah.
Anyhoo, I'm with SpaceJunk with this one. Assuming the story is true and complete, either Astana just muffed up and he got left behind, or they were deliberately trying to make sure that their main GC contender missed the start of the stage, in such a way that everyone would know about it.
Regardless of the people involved, I just can't buy the latter. Occam's razor and all that.0 -
Is there not room for a 'middle ground' interpretation of what was reported? I would be very surprised if this story were a complete fabrication. However, I don't think that anyone really thought that such a stunt would see Contador actually miss his start.
More likely the intention was to 'rattle' Contador so he wouldn't get the glory of the stage win and to say to him in no uncertain way 'You are on your own'. (As he was for most of the race come to that).
As to why he decided to call his brother, most likely to have someone around who he could trust and would be supportive. I am sure that he, Bruyneel and Armstrong all knew that all Contador had to do was to pick up the phone in order for the Tour organisers to send someone for him, probably with a police escort!0 -
And then there’s the story that Armstrong, to ‘rub in’ to AC that his first victory should have been Rasmussen’s, secretly swopped the audio CD with the Spanish anthem on it, and to be used for Contador at the prize ceremony, with one containing the Danish national anthem.
LA then gave the CD with the Spanish anthem to Bruyneel who, before Astana went up for the team prize, substituted it for the audio CD with the Kazakhstan anthem on it, which was planned to be played at the team ceremony.0 -
Does Lance work for the CIA?
How come he hasn't found Bin Laden?
Damn, I guess it really is not about the bike.0 -
got to admit the funniest part of this years tour was lance standing on the podium with a face like a smacked ar$e- this is a grown man a father and a multi millionare acting like a spoit kid coz he didnt get his own way!!
isnt it customary for handshakes all round on the podium- didnt see any of that going on
'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'0 -
Sorry have I missed something?
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fast as fupp wrote:got to admit the funniest part of this years tour was lance standing on the podium with a face like a smacked ar$e- this is a grown man a father and a multi millionare acting like a spoit kid coz he didnt get his own way!!
isnt it customary for handshakes all round on the podium- didnt see any of that going on
Did you really get all that out of it? Or are you wishing that's how the podium thing went down? Looked to me like 3 guys standing on a stage with smiles on their faces. But you could be right. Maybe the anger was seething just below the surface, ready to explode in a flurry of on stage kicking, biting, punching, and gun play. A knifing would really have been great. Blood and guts everywhere. A fitting ending to a tragic affair. Was that what you wanted to see?0 -
Arkibal wrote:I've defended LA (and JB) many times here, but this Tour has really been an eye opener for me.
Let's just say I don't have anything good to say about LA (or JB) anymore.
AC didn't crack under the mental pressure from LA/JB, well done.
http://www.diariosur.es/20090727/deport ... 90727.html
They reporter names no source for this story.
If it's no coroborated elsewhere I wouldn't give it much attention.
I know his brother was at a couple of stages. Could be someone say the brother drive him to the stage and the rest is a product of an active imagination.0 -
just a thought on Armstrong's mug during the podium.. apart from not being #1, the wrong anthem being played etc., but was Hinault also not standing next to him?0
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Bristol Exile wrote:fraserq wrote:wonderful athlete, great ambassador for cancer, shallow human being.
I would think being a great ambassador for cancer would preclude someone from being shallow.
He has a cause, appears to be a good father while admitting he wasn't a good husband first time around, he's mending fences, he appears totally engaged in every personal interaction.... I don't see how you get shallow out of that.
The economy in the USA is in serious trouble. Donations to NGO's are down 40 and 50 percent, staff layoffs, some going under. LAF is holding it's own, funding it's programs, and hasn't laid anybody off.
All because a guy is riding for Astana for free. And please don't bore me with talk about appearance fees because it's clear he he isn't doing this for money he doesn't need.0 -
fast as fupp wrote:got to admit the funniest part of this years tour was lance standing on the podium with a face like a smacked ar$e- this is a grown man a father and a multi millionare acting like a spoit kid coz he didnt get his own way!!
isnt it customary for handshakes all round on the podium- didnt see any of that going on
And of course, if he'd have been more demonstrative you be accusing him of trying to seal the spotlight from Alberto.
It's halarious seeing how far the haters will go. Like the pic of him moving off the podium with the others standing there. That's the side of the podium they enter and leave from, so of course he leaves first. But it has to MEAN something. 0 -
True, he clearly doesn't need the millions he gets paid in 'appearance fees', but he was still quick to let it be known that the money he is paid certainly isn't going to end up in the coffers of the LAF.jackhammer11 wrote:please don't bore me with talk about appearance fees because it's clear he he isn't doing this for money he doesn't need.
Cyclingnews.com
17 January 2009
Armstrong also dismissed reports that the appearance fee he has been paid to contest Tour Down Under will go to the charity. Earlier in the week South Australian Premier Mike Rann's media department told Cyclingnews that any monies which may have been paid to Armstrong will go to the Livestrong charity.0 -
You know all this business on his bro I though his brother took him everywhere anyways. They had a profile on AC on eurosport I think where they said the one man who goes everywhere with him is his brother who sorts where he needs to be and when.
For example its contadors brother who went and told the TdF organizers that the wrong national anthem was playing yesterday (though to be fair a lot of probably probably noticed).0 -
jackhammer11 wrote:Bristol Exile wrote:fraserq wrote:wonderful athlete, great ambassador for cancer, shallow human being.
I would think being a great ambassador for cancer would preclude someone from being shallow.
He has a cause, appears to be a good father while admitting he wasn't a good husband first time around, he's mending fences, he appears totally engaged in every personal interaction.... I don't see how you get shallow out of that.
The economy in the USA is in serious trouble. Donations to NGO's are down 40 and 50 percent, staff layoffs, some going under. LAF is holding it's own, funding it's programs, and hasn't laid anybody off.
All because a guy is riding for Astana for free. And please don't bore me with talk about appearance fees because it's clear he he isn't doing this for money he doesn't need.
Wot a load of effin bollox.0 -
avalon wrote:jackhammer11 wrote:Bristol Exile wrote:fraserq wrote:wonderful athlete, great ambassador for cancer, shallow human being.
I would think being a great ambassador for cancer would preclude someone from being shallow.
He has a cause, appears to be a good father while admitting he wasn't a good husband first time around, he's mending fences, he appears totally engaged in every personal interaction.... I don't see how you get shallow out of that.
The economy in the USA is in serious trouble. Donations to NGO's are down 40 and 50 percent, staff layoffs, some going under. LAF is holding it's own, funding it's programs, and hasn't laid anybody off.
All because a guy is riding for Astana for free. And please don't bore me with talk about appearance fees because it's clear he he isn't doing this for money he doesn't need.
Wot a load of effin bollox.
this is what people who have nothing to say do.0 -
jackhammer11 wrote:avalon wrote:jackhammer11 wrote:Bristol Exile wrote:fraserq wrote:wonderful athlete, great ambassador for cancer, shallow human being.
I would think being a great ambassador for cancer would preclude someone from being shallow.
He has a cause, appears to be a good father while admitting he wasn't a good husband first time around, he's mending fences, he appears totally engaged in every personal interaction.... I don't see how you get shallow out of that.
The economy in the USA is in serious trouble. Donations to NGO's are down 40 and 50 percent, staff layoffs, some going under. LAF is holding it's own, funding it's programs, and hasn't laid anybody off.
All because a guy is riding for Astana for free. And please don't bore me with talk about appearance fees because it's clear he he isn't doing this for money he doesn't need.
Wot a load of effin bollox.
this is what people who have nothing to say do.
What happened to your first incarnation.
Bored it's self to death did it?0 -
BikingBernie wrote:
True, he clearly doesn't need the millions he gets paid in 'appearance fees', but he was still quick to let it be known that the money he is paid certainly isn't going to end up in the coffers of the LAF.jackhammer11 wrote:please don't bore me with talk about appearance fees because it's clear he he isn't doing this for money he doesn't need.
Cyclingnews.com
17 January 2009
Armstrong also dismissed reports that the appearance fee he has been paid to contest Tour Down Under will go to the charity. Earlier in the week South Australian Premier Mike Rann's media department told Cyclingnews that any monies which may have been paid to Armstrong will go to the Livestrong charity.
Millions? prove it.
Not that it matters. He can't refuse appearance money anymore than he can refuse prize money.
Considering that he's gets no money from Astana it matters little if he keeps the appearance money. It' should necessarily cost him money to ride for the cause.
Only someone obsessed with him would think he needs to do this for money.0 -
avalon wrote:jackhammer11 wrote:Bored it's self to death did it?
Nobody forces you to read what I write.0 -
dennisn wrote:fast as fupp wrote:got to admit the funniest part of this years tour was lance standing on the podium with a face like a smacked ar$e- this is a grown man a father and a multi millionare acting like a spoit kid coz he didnt get his own way!!
isnt it customary for handshakes all round on the podium- didnt see any of that going on
Did you really get all that out of it? Or are you wishing that's how the podium thing went down? Looked to me like 3 guys standing on a stage with smiles on their faces. But you could be right. Maybe the anger was seething just below the surface, ready to explode in a flurry of on stage kicking, biting, punching, and gun play. A knifing would really have been great. Blood and guts everywhere. A fitting ending to a tragic affair. Was that what you wanted to see?
great tv!'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'0 -
jackhammer11 wrote:avalon wrote:jackhammer11 wrote:Bored it's self to death did it?
Nobody forces you to read what I write.
I know, but it's good for a giggle.
What happened to your first incarnation?0 -
avalon wrote:jackhammer11 wrote:Bristol Exile wrote:fraserq wrote:wonderful athlete, great ambassador for cancer, shallow human being.
I would think being a great ambassador for cancer would preclude someone from being shallow.
He has a cause, appears to be a good father while admitting he wasn't a good husband first time around, he's mending fences, he appears totally engaged in every personal interaction.... I don't see how you get shallow out of that.
The economy in the USA is in serious trouble. Donations to NGO's are down 40 and 50 percent, staff layoffs, some going under. LAF is holding it's own, funding it's programs, and hasn't laid anybody off.
All because a guy is riding for Astana for free. And please don't bore me with talk about appearance fees because it's clear he he isn't doing this for money he doesn't need.
Wot a load of effin bollox.
Great rebuttal. Clear, concise, to the point, well thought out, thoroughly explained facts, presented with a flare seldom seen in journalism.0 -
dennisn wrote:avalon wrote:jackhammer11 wrote:Bristol Exile wrote:fraserq wrote:wonderful athlete, great ambassador for cancer, shallow human being.
I would think being a great ambassador for cancer would preclude someone from being shallow.
He has a cause, appears to be a good father while admitting he wasn't a good husband first time around, he's mending fences, he appears totally engaged in every personal interaction.... I don't see how you get shallow out of that.
The economy in the USA is in serious trouble. Donations to NGO's are down 40 and 50 percent, staff layoffs, some going under. LAF is holding it's own, funding it's programs, and hasn't laid anybody off.
All because a guy is riding for Astana for free. And please don't bore me with talk about appearance fees because it's clear he he isn't doing this for money he doesn't need.
Wot a load of effin bollox.
Great rebuttal. Clear, concise, to the point, well thought out, thoroughly explained facts, presented with a flare seldom seen in journalism.
Doh. you meant flair didn't you? :roll:0 -
One thing is for sure, Armstrong's 'alleged' behaviour here is exactly what we would expect from someone with his 'personality'. As those who support Armstrong tend to dismiss his critics as being 'haters' :roll: perhaps it is best to look to what his biggest supporters say about him, such as Daniel Coyle, author of 'Lance Armstrong’s War'
Booknoise: What’s our biggest misconception about Armstrong?
Daniel Coyle: That he’s a nice guy. Lance is smart, charismatic, incredibly hardworking, and he does a lot of good works, especially within the cancer community. All that has led most of us to the misimpression that he’s saintlike or even cuddly. He’s not, by a long shot... When it comes to his sport, and especially winning the Tour, niceness is just not part of his decision-making.
So what’s he really like? Let’s put it like this: He’s the kid from nowhere who became best in the world at a sport that is very difficult, painful, and dangerous. He’s the proof that Darwinism works. As his best friend, John Korioth, says, Lance is animalistic, the ultimate alpha wolf. On the bike, and often off the bike, he’s a competitive beast. It’s what makes him a fearsome competitor—it also makes him a complicated human being to deal with.0 -
Of course he doesn't need to do it for the money, which is why his failure to donate his huge 'appearance fees' to cancer charities, or even the self-serving PR machine that is the Lance Armstrong Foundation, is all the more telling.jackhammer11 wrote:Only someone obsessed with him would think he needs to do this for money.0 -
BikingBernie wrote:
Of course he doesn't need to do it for the money, which is why his failure to donate his huge 'appearance fees' to cancer charities, or even the PR machine that is the Lance Armstrong Foundation, is all the more telling.jackhammer11 wrote:Only someone obsessed with him would think he needs to do this for money.
I'll ask the old question "What's need got to do with money?" Everyone, you, me, them, us, wants more money. Nothing to do with need. It's all about want. So LA wants more money? What's that make him? Could it be that he's actually one of you, me, them, us?0 -
dennisn wrote:BikingBernie wrote:
Of course he doesn't need to do it for the money, which is why his failure to donate his huge 'appearance fees' to cancer charities, or even the PR machine that is the Lance Armstrong Foundation, is all the more telling.jackhammer11 wrote:Only someone obsessed with him would think he needs to do this for money.
I'll ask the old question "What's need got to do with money?" Everyone, you, me, them, us, wants more money. Nothing to do with need. It's all about want. So LA wants more money? What's that make him? Could it be that he's actually one of you, me, them, us?
He has donated millions to his own foundation.0 -
jackhammer11 wrote:dennisn wrote:BikingBernie wrote:
Of course he doesn't need to do it for the money, which is why his failure to donate his huge 'appearance fees' to cancer charities, or even the PR machine that is the Lance Armstrong Foundation, is all the more telling.jackhammer11 wrote:Only someone obsessed with him would think he needs to do this for money.
I'll ask the old question "What's need got to do with money?" Everyone, you, me, them, us, wants more money. Nothing to do with need. It's all about want. So LA wants more money? What's that make him? Could it be that he's actually one of you, me, them, us?
He has donated millions to his own foundation.
And drawn it out again utilising tax deductable charitable benefit perks maybe?0
