BNP MEP voted in.

redddraggon

I reckon the country started going downhill when the Saxons turned up.

freehub

I want to ask a question.

Are most people fine/not bothered about the build up of foreigners/foreign culture in the UK?

For example:

Bradford
Birmingham

redddraggon

freehub wrote:

I want to ask a question.

Are most people fine/not bothered about the build up of foreigners/foreign culture in the UK?

For example:

Bradford
Birmingham

I agree with what you said yesterday.

softlad

freehub wrote:

I want to ask a question.

Are most people fine/not bothered about the build up of foreigners/foreign culture in the UK?

For example:

Bradford
Birmingham

define 'foreign culture'...???

redddraggon

softlad wrote:

freehub wrote:

I want to ask a question.

Are most people fine/not bothered about the build up of foreigners/foreign culture in the UK?

For example:

Bradford
Birmingham

define 'foreign culture'...???

Define normal Will's from Yorkshire:


Normal in Yorkshire:

freehub

Yea, I want to see what the majority of people think too.

I'm not racist, I'd hapilly get along with foreign people from all places, but the mass movement of foreigners to the UK is an absolute joke and it should certainly be stopped and lots of them should be deported, allot live here illegally too.

The UK is no longer British, English whatever you want to call it, it's very multicultural and allot of the foreigners add massively to the crime rate in this country too.

If I could afford it I'd want to move to Spain to get away from it, yes oh the irony as I'm doing what they all do coming into this country. But there is a difference, for example Spain is not overrun and we English actually do good to there country, well all the drunks probably do the opposite, but if there country got too overcrowded and had masses coming into there country to live I'd not disagree with them wanting us all out, should limit it in all countries.

I'm sure I'll get flamed and I'm not making total sense anyway.

Foreign culture, well I'd class it as all this religion and all the mosques, that is foreign culture, as far as I know.

robmanic1

redddraggon wrote:

I reckon the country started going downhill when the Saxons turned up.

they come over here, stealing our jobs, don't even bother learning the language, practising their paganism......

Special K

freehub wrote:

I want to ask a question.

Are most people fine/not bothered about the build up of foreigners/foreign culture in the UK?

For example:

Bradford
Birmingham

Not fine - as long as there deliberate efforts to not integrate and appreciate the cultural sensitivities here in the UK.
Very bothered - as long as I/we keep funding a good proportion of layabouts (immigrants or locals)

It depends on some key criteria: I work in an office where there are at least 12 languages spoken daily. This company would not function without being as international as it is possible to be. They have jobs, an appreciation but not necessarily a universal approval of British life, and an interest in being involve with their local colleagues, neighbours and friends.

by the way, if you go to abookshop and pick up and Lonely Planet or Rough Guide there will be a section on cultural sensitivities or similar. Things like, no topless bathing, no drinking, covering up in churches, monasteries and mosques, not pointing feet, eating with right hand etc etc etc etc.

Why not here in the UK? Why are we so afraid to say: "that's not appreciated here, please either don't do it or do it elsewhere."

finchy

Special K wrote:

by the way, if you go to abookshop and pick up and Lonely Planet or Rough Guide there will be a section on cultural sensitivities or similar. Things like, no topless bathing, no drinking, covering up in churches, monasteries and mosques, not pointing feet, eating with right hand etc etc etc etc.

Why not here in the UK? Why are we so afraid to say: "that's not appreciated here, please either don't do it or do it elsewhere."

Go to Krakow, Bratislava, Budapest or Prague on any summer weekend, see how Brits abroad "respect" the local population when they visit. :roll:

robmanic1

johnfinch wrote:

Special K wrote:

by the way, if you go to abookshop and pick up and Lonely Planet or Rough Guide there will be a section on cultural sensitivities or similar. Things like, no topless bathing, no drinking, covering up in churches, monasteries and mosques, not pointing feet, eating with right hand etc etc etc etc.

Why not here in the UK? Why are we so afraid to say: "that's not appreciated here, please either don't do it or do it elsewhere."

Go to Krakow, Bratislava, Budapest or Prague on any summer weekend, see how Brits abroad "respect" the local population when they visit. :roll:

+1

They are the reason why immigration (and emmigration) should be actively encouraged in some situations.

mmitchell88

freehub wrote:

I want to ask a question.

Are most people fine/not bothered about the build up of foreigners/foreign culture in the UK?

For example:

Bradford
Birmingham

Frankly I've got other things to worry about than the apparent 'build up of oreigners/foreign culture' in Bradford and Birmingham. So yes, I guess I'm not bothered.

Special K

Robmanic1 wrote:

johnfinch wrote:

Special K wrote:

by the way, if you go to abookshop and pick up and Lonely Planet or Rough Guide there will be a section on cultural sensitivities or similar. Things like, no topless bathing, no drinking, covering up in churches, monasteries and mosques, not pointing feet, eating with right hand etc etc etc etc.

Why not here in the UK? Why are we so afraid to say: "that's not appreciated here, please either don't do it or do it elsewhere."

Go to Krakow, Bratislava, Budapest or Prague on any summer weekend, see how Brits abroad "respect" the local population when they visit. :roll:

+1

They are the reason why immigration (and emmigration) should be actively encouraged in some situations.

No - they are the reason why enforced sterilisation should be encouraged. :twisted:

finchy

freehub wrote:

Yea, I want to see what the majority of people think too.

I'm not racist, I'd hapilly get along with foreign people from all places, but the mass movement of foreigners to the UK is an absolute joke and it should certainly be stopped and lots of them should be deported, allot live here illegally too.

The UK is no longer British, English whatever you want to call it, it's very multicultural and allot of the foreigners add massively to the crime rate in this country too.

If I could afford it I'd want to move to Spain to get away from it, yes oh the irony as I'm doing what they all do coming into this country. But there is a difference, for example Spain is not overrun and we English actually do good to there country, well all the drunks probably do the opposite, but if there country got too overcrowded and had masses coming into there country to live I'd not disagree with them wanting us all out, should limit it in all countries.

I'm sure I'll get flamed and I'm not making total sense anyway.

Foreign culture, well I'd class it as all this religion and all the mosques, that is foreign culture, as far as I know.

Have you ever tried living in a foreign country? Do you know how hard it is to integrate? I'll tell you from first hand experience, it's very, very difficult.

Immigrants into this country have ALWAYS faced hostility. Ever heard of "No Irish no Blacks" signs on accommodation to rent? Or the NF numbering 20,000 in the 1970s? What about the London nail bomb attacks that pre-dated the 2005 Islamic extremists bombings?

andyp

freehub wrote:

Yea, I want to see what the majority of people think too.

I'm not racist, I'd hapilly get along with foreign people from all places, but the mass movement of foreigners to the UK is an absolute joke and it should certainly be stopped and lots of them should be deported, allot live here illegally too.

The UK is no longer British, English whatever you want to call it, it's very multicultural and allot of the foreigners add massively to the crime rate in this country too.

If I could afford it I'd want to move to Spain to get away from it, yes oh the irony as I'm doing what they all do coming into this country. But there is a difference, for example Spain is not overrun and we English actually do good to there country, well all the drunks probably do the opposite, but if there country got too overcrowded and had masses coming into there country to live I'd not disagree with them wanting us all out, should limit it in all countries.

I'm sure I'll get flamed and I'm not making total sense anyway.

Foreign culture, well I'd class it as all this religion and all the mosques, that is foreign culture, as far as I know.

As soon as I read the "I'm not a rascist but" comment I knew what was coming, namely misinformed, factually incorrect tedious bullsh1t.

You are a rascist, and typically for one, ignorant to boot. Do all your opinions come straight from the Daily Mail?

redddraggon

andyp wrote:

As soon as I read the "I'm not a rascist but" comment I knew what was coming, namely misinformed, factually incorrect tedious bullsh1t.

You are a rascist, and typically for one, ignorant to boot. Do all your opinions come straight from the Daily Mail?

Andy, you obviously don't know Will. He doesn't like anyone who's not a true Yorkshireman, he's not racist because he doesn't like anyone.

Jeez, you're having a laugh if you think he reads the Daily Mail, that costs money. Actually all his opinions come from Oveclockers UK.

DavidBelcher

redddraggon wrote:

He doesn't like anyone who's not a true Yorkshireman, he's not racist because he doesn't like anyone.

Reading that put me in mind of some classic Whatever Happened To The Likely Lads? dialogue;

BOB: What do you think of the Chinese?

TERRY: Shifty...like most Orientals…

BOB: Oh well, that's a third of the world's population dealt with in a sentence! What about the Koreans?

TERRY: Koreans? Cruel.

BOB: Americans?

TERRY: Flash.

BOB: What about Britain?

TERRY: Well, I haven't got much time for the Irish or the Welsh, and the Scots are worse than the Koreans…

BOB: …and you never could stand southerners.

TERRY: To tell you the truth I don't much like anyone outside this town. And actually, there aren't many families down our street that I can stand…

David

inseine

Some of us left the country, not because of the 'foreigners' but because of people like freehub.

mmitchell88

The Likely Lads bit - I've never seen/heard that before! I never done this on the interweb, so here goes: LOL!*

*Is that how one writes it?

robmanic1

Excellent work David, hell is indeed other people.

Rev\'d Gatlin

Genius David

cee

freehub wrote:

Yea, I want to see what the majority of people think too.

I'm not racist, I'd hapilly get along with foreign people from all places, but the mass movement of foreigners to the UK is an absolute joke and it should certainly be stopped and lots of them should be deported, allot live here illegally too.

The UK is no longer British, English whatever you want to call it, it's very multicultural and allot of the foreigners add massively to the crime rate in this country too.

If I could afford it I'd want to move to Spain to get away from it, yes oh the irony as I'm doing what they all do coming into this country. But there is a difference, for example Spain is not overrun and we English actually do good to there country, well all the drunks probably do the opposite, but if there country got too overcrowded and had masses coming into there country to live I'd not disagree with them wanting us all out, should limit it in all countries.

I'm sure I'll get flamed and I'm not making total sense anyway.

Foreign culture, well I'd class it as all this religion and all the mosques, that is foreign culture, as far as I know.

I wrote this in another thread on the same subject....

parts of spain are overrun and have practically been invaded and conquered by brits...towns have been built with the express purpose of accommodating british holiday makers....

do they want to integrate, or even sample the spanish culture...no.

English pubs and restaurants with english staff, entertainers beers, supermarkets, newspapers....

Where the majority of peoples idea of asking a local for cigarettes is simply to shout it really slowly....because they wouldn't understand if you just talked more clearly...

The british tourist is an absolute disgrace.

on the road

I've heard it so many times before, "I'm not a racist, BUT".

Whenever anyone says "I'm not a racist, BUT", then you know they are a racist. I've lost count the number of times someone's said that to me. :roll:

robmanic1

on the road wrote:

I've heard it so many times before, "I'm not a racist, BUT".

Whenever anyone says "I'm not a racist, BUT", then you know they are a racist. I've lost count the number of times someone's said that to me. :roll:

“I’m not racist in any way,” Mr Hunt, 51, said, as he packed away the shoe stall that he runs in Barnsley town centre. “But there are too many foreigners. They are not good for the local economy. Even if they are working they are not spending; they are sending the money back home. A lot of people are fed up with the situation: they think they get treated better than others — they get houses and phones and cars. Whether they do or not I don’t know, but that seems to be the general opinion.”

A classic if ever there was one, lifted from the other BNP thread.

teagar

You have to remember than when people refer to 'foreigners' they usually actually mean, non-Europeans...

The term immigrant has largely, though not exclusively, become a byword for non-white, or at least, non-saxon.

I like to point out from time that I'm an immigrant, but to strong anti-immigrant campaigners I don't really count somehow, because you can't distinguish between myself and another Brit....

Don't get too caught up in the literal definition of 'foreign'. When people talk about the 'foreign problem' in Bradford, they sure as sh!t arn't talking about the influx of European students.

Immigration has become a vehicle for people to vent their latent racism. Indeed, by their very nature, most people are racist - they've just learned how to conceal it. Maybe everyone is racist (as I've argued convincingly in plenty of essays). Eitherway, people need to be careful not to fall into traps of arguments about "foreigners", or any "us" and "them" mentality.

How humans divide groups up all over the world is pretty abitrary, whether its race, nationality, religious orientation or sexuality, and I think we can all agree everyone is equal, so why make a "us" and "them" distinction which naturally leads to discrimination?

Perhaps it's human nature, but then again, it's human nature to be violent, and we don't tolerate that anymore.

robmanic1

It's far easier to divide the world into two types of people;

1 - Those who encourage the variety and richness of each others cultures, whilst trying to combine the best aspects of each and promoting human kindness, understanding and tolerance.

2 - Everyone else

Rev\'d Gatlin

Robmanic1 wrote:

It's far easier to divide the world into two types of people;

1 - Those who encourage the variety and richness of each others cultures, whilst trying to combine the best aspects of each and promoting human kindness, understanding and tolerance.

2 - Everyone else

There are infact 10 types of people in the world; those that understand binary and those that don't.

softlad

freehub wrote:

Foreign culture, well I'd class it as all this religion and all the mosques, that is foreign culture, as far as I know.

So it's specifically Islam that you aren't happy with..?? What about Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Bhuddists and the rest..??

Culture and religion are not necessarily the same thing.....

TarmacExpert

Robmanic1 wrote:

It's far easier to divide the world into two types of people;

1 - Those who encourage the variety and richness of each others cultures, whilst trying to combine the best aspects of each and promoting human kindness, understanding and tolerance.

2 - Everyone else

Okay, lets have an example of a real world situation. I hold a door open for someone following behind me, and they don't say thank you, they don't even touch the door to take it off me, they just walk through while I hold it open. In my culture, this is extremely rude, but I assume that in the culture the person is from, their behaviour is the norm. As I find the other person's behaviour rude, does that put me into your category 2? Which category is the other person in? Should they have made an effort to try to understand the culture of the country they have moved to, and how to behave to avoid being seen as rude?

robmanic1

TarmacExpert wrote:

Robmanic1 wrote:

It's far easier to divide the world into two types of people;

1 - Those who encourage the variety and richness of each others cultures, whilst trying to combine the best aspects of each and promoting human kindness, understanding and tolerance.

2 - Everyone else

Okay, lets have an example of a real world situation. I hold a door open for someone following behind me, and they don't say thank you, they don't even touch the door to take it off me, they just walk through while I hold it open. In my culture, this is extremely rude, but I assume that in the culture the person is from, their behaviour is the norm. As I find the other person's behaviour rude, does that put me into your category 2? Which category is the other person in? Should they have made an effort to try to understand the culture of the country they have moved to, and how to behave to avoid being seen as rude?

See "tolerance", I did say it was a simplistic view, you've over-analyzed me.

softlad

this is interesting:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8091605.stm

Ironically, the protest was organised by 'Unite Against Fascism' - the end result is that they have succeeded in preventing the head of a legal political organisation from speaking freely - which strikes me as being slightly fascist in itself....