BNP MEP voted in.

teagar

Just heard that Yorkshire and Humberside have voted a BNP MEP in Andrew Brons, at the expense of a Labour MEP.

He's got a shady past with the BNF, where he, apparantly, said he'd rather go to prison than have blacks in his meetings...(according to the BBC).

I can't tell you how much this makes my stomach turn.

I've just finished my degree in Sheffield and still looking for jobs. I think I'm going to look for jobs outside the UK.

teagar

And now Nick Griffin has been voted in.




Gutted.

Apparantly the BNP in the North West didn't get more votes than last time, just the other main parties lost votes...

Crapaud

teagar wrote:

And now Nick Griffin has been voted in.




Gutted. ...

I had to turn the telly off after the result came in. It's a dark day for British politics. I British politics wasn't in crises already it is now.

teagar wrote:

... Apparantly the BNP in the North West didn't get more votes than last time, just the other main parties lost votes...

This is why it's important to vote, even if there's no-one that you want to vote for.

freehub

Why what is the BNP going to do?

redddraggon

freehub wrote:

Why what is the BNP going to do?

Claim too much money for fancy dress?

softlad

teagar wrote:

He's got a shady past with the BNF, where he, apparantly, said he'd rather go to prison than have blacks in his meetings...(according to the BBC).

realistically though, I can't see many black people wanting to attend BNP/NF meetings.....can you..?

Crapaud

freehub wrote:

Why what is the BNP going to do?

Set up more youth camps? Google 'Hitler Youth' for more info.

Having a couple of MEPs gives them a political legitimacy. Hopefully it'll be fleeting and they'll disappear back into the wilderness as politics reorganises itself and people get more engaged in the mainstream.

Gavin Gilbert

softlad wrote:

teagar wrote:

He's got a shady past with the BNF, where he, apparantly, said he'd rather go to prison than have blacks in his meetings...(according to the BBC).

realistically though, I can't see many black people wanting to attend BNP/NF meetings.....can you..?

I don't know about that. At a Residents Association Meeting I was told to 'f*** off back to my own country' by a Turk :?

softlad

I remember being told by a London cabbie that he was fed up with all the immigrants coming to the UK - so he said he was off to live in Spain...

I think the irony was lost on him at the time....

iainf72

softlad wrote:

I remember being told by a London cabbie that he was fed up with all the immigrants coming to the UK - so he said he was off to live in Spain...

I think the irony was lost on him at the time....

That kind of attitude is common enough. I recall last year seeing a headline in the Daily Express to the effect of "x number of immigrants to the UK, no wonder we're all moving to Spain"

I wonder if the BNP want to repatriate any Brits back to the UK who have moved abroad?

edhornby

so angry

when I voted the list of parties on the ballot paper was so long it was untrue, which is maybe part of the reason why the nasty gits have got in, due to the vote being so split, I voted for one of the big 3 just because they were on the list

teagar

edhornby wrote:

so angry

when I voted the list of parties on the ballot paper was so long it was untrue, which is maybe part of the reason why the nasty gits have got in, due to the vote being so split, I voted for one of the big 3 just because they were on the list

Wasn't the case here in Yorkshire. :roll:

beverick

What I can't understand arises from a comment on the Beeb on Friday that the indications were that Conservative protest voters had supported UKIP and Labour protestors had defected to the BNP.

Basically, disaffected voters from a middle right mainstream party moved further to the right to support a marginal party and I can understand that.

What I can't understand is what sort of twisted politics makes a supporter of the centre left vote for an extreme right party?

Bob

teagar

beverick wrote:

What I can't understand arises from a comment on the Beeb on Friday that the indications were that Conservative protest voters had supported UKIP and Labour protestors had defected to the BNP.

Basically, disaffected voters from a middle right mainstream party moved further to the right to support a marginal party and I can understand that.

What I can't understand is what sort of twisted politics makes a supporter of the centre left vote for an extreme right party?

Bob

They vote culturally and socially rather than politically. A hard working white working class man might have always voted labour. Now he may feel that Labour is no longer his cup of tea, and his trade is being threatened by immigration...

Racism is very prevelant. It's hard to know when you're in the racial majority...

finchy

teagar wrote:

I think I'm going to look for jobs outside the UK.

I wouldn't bother looking for any oasis of tolerance abroad though. This is an EU-wide problem, not just the UK.

robmanic1

At least thick people have someone to vote for now.

pedylan

edhornby wrote:

so angry

when I voted the list of parties on the ballot paper was so long it was untrue, which is maybe part of the reason why the nasty gits have got in, due to the vote being so split, I voted for one of the big 3 just because they were on the list

They have achieved representation at EU level because 6.2% of those who voted did so for the BNP. Allowing for the fact that around 1 in 3 actually voted at all, that means around 2% or 1 in 50 of those eligible to vote cast their vote for a party whose principle manifesto is based on ignorant racism.

LD, Lab acieved 14 and 16% respectively. This makes the BNP a significant minority - only just behind the Greens.

I don't know if the turn out had been twice what it was that the BNP would have been marginalised but it seems likely that extremist parties will benefit the more disenchanted the electorate becomes.

So FFS- vote!

STEFANOS4784

Reflects the frustration of the working classes really. I will be flamed for this but people can bleat on about migrant workers doing jobs that no-one else wants but at the end of the day if these jobs were better paid then people wouldn't be so adverse to taking them.
Communism is the way forward, unfortunately it doesn't work in practice........

People can sit up on their pedestals with their highly paid jobs but factory work is hard and sh1tty and the people working those jobs have to watch M.P's taking fat pay checks, ourt of their hard earned taxes, for doing what? Lying that's what.

P.s people will dismiss these views but it's the truth IMO and IME (from talking to people) :roll: (uh-oh)

P.p.s i will always vote green.

redddraggon

STEFANOS4784
It's true.

People wouldn't have voted for the BNP if they didn't really feel that the country was in such a mess.

There's seemingly been no improvement in the country led by the government, and the people have probably thought a step too far is better than step at all.

spen666

teagar wrote:

Just heard that Yorkshire and Humberside have voted a BNP MEP in Andrew Brons, at the expense of a Labour MEP.

He's got a shady past with the BNF, where he, apparantly, said he'd rather go to prison than have blacks in his meetings...(according to the BBC).

I can't tell you how much this makes my stomach turn.

Another person who thinks its not right that the people of the democracy vote for the candidate they chose to vote for rather than the ones teagar approves of.


:shock:

robmanic1

It really is turning into Germany 1900's, a vote for BNP is much worse than a vote wasted. I fear for an education system that has failed to teach people about what happens when extreme nationalism is advocated, there can be no excuse for voting for the BNP, I'm afraid the old "protest vote" argument holds no water.

The only good thing to come out of this is that the "stay at home" voters will come out in droves for the next election and keep the fascists out!

TarmacExpert

What is really scandalous, IMO, is the under-representation of minority parties. The Greens got 8.6% of the vote, whereas UKIP got 16.5%, i.e. less than twice as many votes as the Greens. With less than twice as many votes, UKIP get 13 representatives, while the Greens only get 2. Proportional Representation my ar5e.

softlad

STEFANOS4784 wrote:

Communism is the way forward, unfortunately it doesn't work in practice........

genuine communism (as Marx intended) never really got going, unfortunately. It could only ever work if the entire planet embraced it, as opposed to a handful of individual countries...

pedylan

spen666 wrote:

Another person who thinks its not right that the people of the democracy vote for the candidate they chosse to vote for rather than the ones teagar approves of.


:shock:

1. It isn't "another person"; it's teagar - his post his view.

2. It's choose not chosse; similarly it's "tooser" not "t*sser".

pedylan

TarmacExpert wrote:

What is really scandalous, IMO, is the under-representation of minority parties. The Greens got 8.6% of the vote, whereas UKIP got 16.5%, i.e. less than twice as many votes as the Greens. With less than twice as many votes, UKIP get 13 representatives, while the Greens only get 2. Proportional Representation my ar5e.

Careful what you wish for. The same arithmetic would give the BNP 10+ candidates.

Assuming they've got 10 members that can walk upright.

that person wot rides a b

hmmmm. economic crisis, far right doing well, now where have I heard of this before?...

frenchfighter

Good to hear Cameron (not that I like him) go at the BNP with relatively unrestrained language when asked about it as he came out his house this morning.

spen666

The brutal, harsh reality is that the BNP have ascended because they enjoy popular support (protest or otherwise), itself a consequence of abandonment of a large section of the people by mainstream political parties.

A quote seen elsewhere on the web.

It is a (sad) fact that those most vociferous against the BNP forget - namely they do enjoy popular support

All that calls for banning such a party ddo is to encourage people to support them

acorn_user

teagar wrote:

I've just finished my degree in Sheffield and still looking for jobs. I think I'm going to look for jobs outside the UK.

I doubt think you'll find many better places in Europe (for absence of strong far right politics). Belgium, the Netherlands, Austria, Italy, France etc all have significant far right parties, and the situation is even less to your liking in the East. I don't think you should pick your home based on it's politics. I've heard people say that they would not visit the states when Bush was president, but now Obama is president, they will.....

cee

is it not the case that no-one in fact 'turned' to the bnp...

rather that the folks who would have voted labour just didn't vote?

For the life of me...all the figures i have seen actually suggest the bnp got fewer votes than they usually do?

Could be wrong, but again, I fear the media is spinning the outrage of it.

robmanic1

[quote="spen666
It is a (sad) fact that those most vociferous against the BNP forget - namely they do enjoy popular support

All that calls for banning such a party do is to encourage people to support them[/quote]

Sadly all this proves is that there are a lot of stupid people out there. I haven't researched it but I'm willing to bet that a large majority of their support comes from socially deprived areas. I'm sure the more enlightened among us (or perhaps the more fortunate) can see through their "window dressed" politics of fascism.

I agree they shouldn't be banned, that would be a form of fascism in itself. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing as long as it doesn't conflict with our beliefs, eh!