The ultimate Lance doping thread
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iainf72 wrote:dennisn wrote:You're right. Defeat at last. And at the hands of the English. I'll probably get exiled from the USA. If not hung or worse.
Don't call me english Dennis. I don't want to have to come over to Ohio.
I must plead ignorance when it comes to English and or British and their uses. Please give me a brief lesson, so to speak. Really!
Dennis Noward0 -
I don't agree with Dennis' and Arkibal's LA defence of "don't knock him because you don't know him".
He is a person who has not only been thrust into the limelight because of his sporting excellence(?) but because he has chosen to write books about his life and how brill he is and take sponsors money to prostitute their wares.
It is widely believed that he is able to exploit his profile through use of ped's and in so doing has surrendered his right to remaining unscrutinised. You can't on the one hand be shouting look at me, buy my autobiography, buy my products, be my fan then ask for the quiet life when people start to question how you got where you are.
I would generally defend the average man on the street from the scrutiny that Lance comes under on this forum but that's because the average man on the street is different. He generally doesn't profit from self promotion and he generally doesn't earn his crust when considered by many to be a cheat.0 -
Yellow Peril wrote:I don't agree with Dennis' and Arkibal's LA defence of "don't knock him because you don't know him".
He is a person who has not only been thrust into the limelight because of his sporting excellence(?) but because he has chosen to write books about his life and how brill he is and take sponsors money to prostitute their wares.
Hate to say it but that sounds like it could be just about any sports star. However I don't follow the "brill" thing(from the US you know). My dictionary says - brill - a European flatfish. Fill me in.
Dennis Noward0 -
You are right, you can say that about most sports stars. I think the exceptions, if there are any left, are those that go out and give an honest performance, take their paycheque and go home. Any sports person who does that deserves to be left in peace. If they are believed to be cheats or decide to cash in on their persona then they are fair game.
There are guys in the peleton who are good cyclists, don't cheat and are not suspected of cheating and haven't written tell al books. We don't talk about them and they are probably the TdF heroes that Wiggins mentions.
Sorry about the use of the word "brill" it was my attempt at a youthful abbreviation of the word brilliant. At my age I should know my "plaice".0 -
iainf72 wrote:dennisn wrote:You're right. Defeat at last. And at the hands of the English. I'll probably get exiled from the USA. If not hung or worse.
Don't call me english Dennis. I don't want to have to come over to Ohio.
If Dennis says you are English, that's good enough for me. .. who said that, internet forum people ?0 -
Yellow Peril wrote:
It is widely believed that he is able to exploit his profile through use of ped's ...
No it isn't !!.. who said that, internet forum people ?0 -
Yellow Peril wrote:You are right, you can say that about most sports stars. I think the exceptions, if there are any left, are those that go out and give an honest performance, take their paycheque and go home. Any sports person who does that deserves to be left in peace. If they are believed to be cheats or decide to cash in on their persona then they are fair game.
There are guys in the peloton who are good cyclists, don't cheat and are not suspected of cheating and haven't written tell al books. We don't talk about them and they are probably the TdF heroes that Wiggins mentions.
Sorry about the use of the word "brill" it was my attempt at a youthful abbreviation of the word brilliant. At my age I should know my "plaice".
I just couldn't put European flatfish and Lance together.
Thought it might have been an English , or is it British, thing. Still waiting for clarification on
English / British.
Dennis Noward0 -
dennisn wrote:Yellow Peril wrote:You are right, you can say that about most sports stars. I think the exceptions, if there are any left, are those that go out and give an honest performance, take their paycheque and go home. Any sports person who does that deserves to be left in peace. If they are believed to be cheats or decide to cash in on their persona then they are fair game.
There are guys in the peloton who are good cyclists, don't cheat and are not suspected of cheating and haven't written tell al books. We don't talk about them and they are probably the TdF heroes that Wiggins mentions.
Sorry about the use of the word "brill" it was my attempt at a youthful abbreviation of the word brilliant. At my age I should know my "plaice".
I just couldn't put European flatfish and Lance together.
Thought it might have been an English , or is it British, thing. Still waiting for clarification on
English / British.
Dennis Noward
England, Scotland and Wales are separate nations.
Together they make up Great Britain.
Northern Ireland + Great Britain = the United Kingdom.
UK + Republic of Ireland = the British Isles.0 -
rockmount wrote:A single figure number out of close to 150,000 registered members, would I guess constitute a very small [sad] vocal minority.
No.
What it actually shows is that both the fanboys and haters are part of the same small minority.
The vast majority have no interest at all, in Lance Armstrong; his return, cancer foundation, ego, success on a bike, or drug taking habits.
149,900+ members cannot be bothered to pass comment."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:rockmount wrote:A single figure number out of close to 150,000 registered members, would I guess constitute a very small [sad] vocal minority.
No.
What it actually shows is that both the fanboys and haters are part of the same small minority.
The vast majority have no interest at all, in Lance Armstrong; his return, cancer foundation, ego, success on a bike, or drug taking habits.
149,900+ members cannot be bothered to pass comment.
You could say that about any other topic on the boards. This thread has just passed the 100 posts mark, which makes it a fairly hot topic I'd say.
But then I would say that, seeing as it was my fantastic idea. 8)0 -
dennisn wrote:Yellow Peril wrote:You are right, you can say that about most sports stars. I think the exceptions, if there are any left, are those that go out and give an honest performance, take their paycheque and go home. Any sports person who does that deserves to be left in peace. If they are believed to be cheats or decide to cash in on their persona then they are fair game.
There are guys in the peloton who are good cyclists, don't cheat and are not suspected of cheating and haven't written tell al books. We don't talk about them and they are probably the TdF heroes that Wiggins mentions.
Sorry about the use of the word "brill" it was my attempt at a youthful abbreviation of the word brilliant. At my age I should know my "plaice".
I just couldn't put European flatfish and Lance together.
Thought it might have been an English , or is it British, thing. Still waiting for clarification on
English / British.
Dennis Noward
Dennis old chap here is the thing.
The English have conquered and subdued the whining scots, the unemployable blackhaired midget miners of wales and the unspeakable irish but have been undone by an observance of liberality that means the scottish basically run the English Parliment despite that none of the scottish labour party have ever really had a proper job, the WElsh are well, Welsh and have their own increasingly independant state intent on disabling its population with its adherance and slavish devotion to a minor obselete language. Even the Irish have have their own parliament of sorts. The right on English are now ashamed of their own flag as its been claimedby the liberals as racist whilst the other members of greatbritain are encouraged to fly flags with pride and enjoy their culture.
Meanwhile English culture is to be swept away in the wave of multiculturalism that says Christmas should be Winterval, and people who settle here for a few months whilst carrying out terrorist activities are to be given support and housing. England is a morally bankrupt state obsesed with self loathing and no identity where immigrant and chav rights run independantly of responsibiltiy.
So the difference is English is to be spat upon and British is a feeding trough filled by the English.
I am English. I would be considered racist by popular directed thinking for pride in independance. yet the scots mostly live in the \english home counties and fly that blue thing with pride, the welsh have little red rabbity bthings on car bumpers and charge to enter their filthy mountain county. Its odd but thats the diference. I.E. its ok to be nationalist as long as youre not English.
The USA is impressive. You can be texan and you might be a lone star flag flying red neck but youre still American.
Rant over.0 -
dennisn wrote:Yellow Peril wrote:You are right, you can say that about most sports stars. I think the exceptions, if there are any left, are those that go out and give an honest performance, take their paycheque and go home. Any sports person who does that deserves to be left in peace. If they are believed to be cheats or decide to cash in on their persona then they are fair game.
There are guys in the peloton who are good cyclists, don't cheat and are not suspected of cheating and haven't written tell al books. We don't talk about them and they are probably the TdF heroes that Wiggins mentions.
Sorry about the use of the word "brill" it was my attempt at a youthful abbreviation of the word brilliant. At my age I should know my "plaice".
I just couldn't put European flatfish and Lance together.
Thought it might have been an English , or is it British, thing. Still waiting for clarification on
English / British.
Dennis Noward0 -
markwalker wrote:dennisn wrote:Yellow Peril wrote:You are right, you can say that about most sports stars. I think the exceptions, if there are any left, are those that go out and give an honest performance, take their paycheque and go home. Any sports person who does that deserves to be left in peace. If they are believed to be cheats or decide to cash in on their persona then they are fair game.
There are guys in the peloton who are good cyclists, don't cheat and are not suspected of cheating and haven't written tell al books. We don't talk about them and they are probably the TdF heroes that Wiggins mentions.
Sorry about the use of the word "brill" it was my attempt at a youthful abbreviation of the word brilliant. At my age I should know my "plaice".
I just couldn't put European flatfish and Lance together.
Thought it might have been an English , or is it British, thing. Still waiting for clarification on
English / British.
Dennis Noward
Dennis old chap here is the thing.
The English have conquered and subdued the whining scots, the unemployable blackhaired midget miners of wales and the unspeakable irish but have been undone by an observance of liberality that means the scottish basically run the English Parliment despite that none of the scottish labour party have ever really had a proper job, the WElsh are well, Welsh and have their own increasingly independant state intent on disabling its population with its adherance and slavish devotion to a minor obselete language. Even the Irish have have their own parliament of sorts. The right on English are now ashamed of their own flag as its been claimedby the liberals as racist whilst the other members of greatbritain are encouraged to fly flags with pride and enjoy their culture.
Meanwhile English culture is to be swept away in the wave of multiculturalism that says Christmas should be Winterval, and people who settle here for a few months whilst carrying out terrorist activities are to be given support and housing. England is a morally bankrupt state obsesed with self loathing and no identity where immigrant and chav rights run independantly of responsibiltiy.
So the difference is English is to be spat upon and British is a feeding trough filled by the English.
I am English. I would be considered racist by popular directed thinking for pride in independance. yet the scots mostly live in the \english home counties and fly that blue thing with pride, the welsh have little red rabbity bthings on car bumpers and charge to enter their filthy mountain county. Its odd but thats the diference. I.E. its ok to be nationalist as long as youre not English.
The USA is impressive. You can be texan and you might be a lone star flag flying red neck but youre still American.
Rant over.
Thanks for putting it so clearly. Now I know even less than I did before. Which was next to nothing. Good rant though. I think.
Dennis Noward0 -
johnfinch wrote:dennisn wrote:Yellow Peril wrote:You are right, you can say that about most sports stars. I think the exceptions, if there are any left, are those that go out and give an honest performance, take their paycheque and go home. Any sports person who does that deserves to be left in peace. If they are believed to be cheats or decide to cash in on their persona then they are fair game.
There are guys in the peloton who are good cyclists, don't cheat and are not suspected of cheating and haven't written tell al books. We don't talk about them and they are probably the TdF heroes that Wiggins mentions.
Sorry about the use of the word "brill" it was my attempt at a youthful abbreviation of the word brilliant. At my age I should know my "plaice".
I just couldn't put European flatfish and Lance together.
Thought it might have been an English , or is it British, thing. Still waiting for clarification on
English / British.
Dennis Noward
England, Scotland and Wales are separate nations.
Together they make up Great Britain.
Northern Ireland + Great Britain = the United Kingdom.
UK + Republic of Ireland = the British Isles.
Well, that's more than I knew before. Still wondering whether to call people Engish or British. i.e. would you be English or British or both if from London? Stupid question I'm sure, but try to remember, I'm from the states. And you know how we are?
Dennis Noward0 -
dennisn wrote:markwalker wrote:dennisn wrote:Yellow Peril wrote:You are right, you can say that about most sports stars. I think the exceptions, if there are any left, are those that go out and give an honest performance, take their paycheque and go home. Any sports person who does that deserves to be left in peace. If they are believed to be cheats or decide to cash in on their persona then they are fair game.
There are guys in the peloton who are good cyclists, don't cheat and are not suspected of cheating and haven't written tell al books. We don't talk about them and they are probably the TdF heroes that Wiggins mentions.
Sorry about the use of the word "brill" it was my attempt at a youthful abbreviation of the word brilliant. At my age I should know my "plaice".
I just couldn't put European flatfish and Lance together.
Thought it might have been an English , or is it British, thing. Still waiting for clarification on
English / British.
Dennis Noward
Dennis old chap here is the thing.
The English have conquered and subdued the whining scots, the unemployable blackhaired midget miners of wales and the unspeakable irish but have been undone by an observance of liberality that means the scottish basically run the English Parliment despite that none of the scottish labour party have ever really had a proper job, the WElsh are well, Welsh and have their own increasingly independant state intent on disabling its population with its adherance and slavish devotion to a minor obselete language. Even the Irish have have their own parliament of sorts. The right on English are now ashamed of their own flag as its been claimedby the liberals as racist whilst the other members of greatbritain are encouraged to fly flags with pride and enjoy their culture.
Meanwhile English culture is to be swept away in the wave of multiculturalism that says Christmas should be Winterval, and people who settle here for a few months whilst carrying out terrorist activities are to be given support and housing. England is a morally bankrupt state obsesed with self loathing and no identity where immigrant and chav rights run independantly of responsibiltiy.
So the difference is English is to be spat upon and British is a feeding trough filled by the English.
I am English. I would be considered racist by popular directed thinking for pride in independance. yet the scots mostly live in the \english home counties and fly that blue thing with pride, the welsh have little red rabbity bthings on car bumpers and charge to enter their filthy mountain county. Its odd but thats the diference. I.E. its ok to be nationalist as long as youre not English.
The USA is impressive. You can be texan and you might be a lone star flag flying red neck but youre still American.
Rant over.
Thanks for putting it so clearly. Now I know even less than I did before. Which was next to nothing. Good rant though. I think.
Dennis Noward
Dennis - observe the English right in action. Typical rant goes like this: "I hate foreigners and others who don't share my nationality, but I get upset if somebody calls me racist."
Every Christmas the shops start celebrating/selling in September, the whole country goes into Christmas mode - lights on in every town, Christmas trees etc. Everybody's happy, except for the paranoid nutcase right, who sit there complaining that they aren't allowed to celebrate Christmas anymore because of the Muslims. All because 1 council, about 10 years ago, chose to have an elongated festival celebrating all of the major religious holidays (Birmingham has a massive ethnic minority population) and call it Winterval. I was in Birmingham at the time. The council had put up Christmas trees, Christmas lights, Happy Christmas signs, etc, etc, but because people believe any old shite they read in the Daily Mail, they thought that Christmas had been banned in Birmingham.
And there's my rant over with.
By the way Mark, if you're going to make a case for independence, you might want to learn how to spell the word. :roll:0 -
In plain English, if you want to reply to someone on the forum, press reply. You don't have to quote 5 people's comments all the time.
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English culture? Isn't that Morris dancing? I'd have thought you'd be happy to get shot of that. Is there anything else?Le Blaireau (1)0
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Cricket and good manners old chap.
The other defining thing about being English is the Guardian and Telegraph reading self styled intelectual superiors. They are dismissive of readers of the Mail, a paper that panders to peoples frustrations and fears in a blatant way.
Oddly theres probably more independant thinking by the readers of the mail than the Guardian/telegraph.
Many schools no longer do tradidtional nativity plays for children at Christmas becasue theyre "innapropriate in modern multicultural Britain"
Not that this has anything to do with Lance doping0 -
Of course if you are from where I am sat you are not English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish but Manx (for the record I'm a recent English immigrant to these shores).
The native people are fiercely independent (the Isle of Man is not part of the UK) even though you can clearly see all the UK countries from the top of the mountain. Anyone not Manx is a "comeover" and they will tell you so. But even though it is usually very windy, most of the roads are rough and it's quite hilly the locals sure can ride a bike!0 -
LANCE ROCKS!!! :P0
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markwalker wrote:The other defining thing about being English is the Guardian and Telegraph reading self styled intelectual superiors. They are dismissive of readers of the Mail, a paper that panders to peoples frustrations and fears in a blatant way.
Oddly theres probably more independant thinking by the readers of the mail than the Guardian/telegraph.
:shock: :shock:
IndependEnt thinking from a Mail reader?!?!?!
There's a reason that people look down on the Daily Mail. It's crap. 60-odd pages of telling British people (who live a life of luxury compared to the majority of the world's population) that they are somehow poor persecuted victims.0 -
rockmount wrote:
..you should get a load of me !! 8)StrangelyBrown wrote:Yeah the guy can be aggressive and come across like a bit of an ars* at times, but so what..
What an arse It doesn't get any easier, but I don't appear to be getting any faster.0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:rockmount wrote:A single figure number out of close to 150,000 registered members, would I guess constitute a very small [sad] vocal minority.
No.
What it actually shows is that both the fanboys and haters are part of the same small minority.
The vast majority have no interest at all, in Lance Armstrong; his return, cancer foundation, ego, success on a bike, or drug taking habits.
149,900+ members cannot be bothered to pass comment.
I'm not a fanboy or a hater - it's not LA that I have a problem with, it's the people with sweeping rabid opinions on something they can't possibly be conclusive about. They are all idiots and I hate them all without exception... erm...
PS You were bothered enough to post that you're not bothered It doesn't get any easier, but I don't appear to be getting any faster.0 -
You are right, but I would put what you said slightly differently:johnfinch wrote:IndependEnt thinking from a Mail reader?!?!?!
There's a reason that people look down on the Daily Mail. It's crap. 60-odd pages of telling British people (who live a life of luxury compared to the majority of the world's population) that they are somehow poor persecuted victims.
'There's a reason that people look down on the Daily Mail. It's crap. 60-odd pages of telling largely middle class British people (who live a life of luxury compared to a large proportion of the British population) that they are somehow poor persecuted victims.'
The Hate Mail's biggest joke is the way it peddles the myth of the 'persecution of the beleaguered motorist.' As I recall the Mail was also the first paper to use the term 'Lycra louts' to describe cyclists. :roll: And yet some would argue that fascism is dead!
P.s to be fair the Daily Mail is not alone it it's attitudes. Just look at the Express!0 -
StrangelyBrown hates: people with 'sweeping rabid opinions.'StrangelyBrown wrote:it's not LA that I have a problem with, it's the people with sweeping rabid opinions on something they can't possibly be conclusive about. They are all idiots and I hate them all without exception.
StrangelyBrown says: ..'I hate them all without exception'
StrangelyBrown hates: people who say things 'they can't possibly be conclusive about'.
StrangelyBrown says: 'They are all idiots'.
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aurelio wrote:[
The Hate Mail's biggest joke is the way it peddles the myth of the 'persecution of the beleaguered motorist.' As I recall the Mail was also the first paper to use the term 'Lycra louts' to describe cyclists. :roll: And yet some would argue that fascism is dead!
Let's be fair though - not all Daily Mail readers are fascists - some are Nazis!0 -
Wow - this has got to be the BEST thread on the forum!
I can't stop chuckling at (some of) the inane banter going on.............................. 0 -
I dunno, could be wrong here but I reckon that bloke might have been joking.aurelio wrote:
StrangelyBrown hates: people with 'sweeping rabid opinions.'StrangelyBrown wrote:it's not LA that I have a problem with, it's the people with sweeping rabid opinions on something they can't possibly be conclusive about. They are all idiots and I hate them all without exception.
StrangelyBrown says: ..'I hate them all without exception'
StrangelyBrown hates: people who say things 'they can't possibly be conclusive about'.
StrangelyBrown says: 'They are all idiots'.
:roll:It doesn't get any easier, but I don't appear to be getting any faster.0 -
The loony loser left call anyone who doesnt agree with them a facist. Surely theres nothing wrong with prefering your own culture and history over someone elses. Problem is that many feel that the right way is to lie down and get trampled.
Thats becasue theyre not strong. Armstrong would never have that. Livestrong. Just because hes the one putting it up em hes despised by the weak.
Its said they dont like it up em but i think they need it.0
