The ultimate Lance doping thread
Ladies and gentlemen, as I'm sure you are all aware, a fair few threads on these pages have degenerated into Lance doped/no he didn't arguments, followed by name-calling and insults. The same things are said time and time again, ruining what could be an otherwise interesting discussion on other races and riders.
Well, why don't we all avoid this situation by having one thread, in which anyone who feels the need to air an opinion on this subject can express themselves, instead of discussing it on threads about TDU, Pantani, California, etc, etc.
We could even have some ground rules, namely no insulting other people because they hold a different opinion to you, no twisting other people's words, no libel, no arguing the person rather than the point. If you feel that you've made a strong argument elsewhere, please feel free to do a cut and paste, minus any abuse that you've directed to other posters on the thread.
Instead, just a rational, objective discussion about the evidence that exists for and against (notice I said evidence, not proof). I'm sure that you are all capable of that - and please, let's not start it by somebody saying "well, I'd do it, but the Lance fan boys/haters are incapable of objectivity."
You don't have to try to change other people's minds, just keep yours open.
Right, now I've said my bit I'm going out to do a bit of sun-worshipping on my bike. Bye-bye everybody.
Well, why don't we all avoid this situation by having one thread, in which anyone who feels the need to air an opinion on this subject can express themselves, instead of discussing it on threads about TDU, Pantani, California, etc, etc.
We could even have some ground rules, namely no insulting other people because they hold a different opinion to you, no twisting other people's words, no libel, no arguing the person rather than the point. If you feel that you've made a strong argument elsewhere, please feel free to do a cut and paste, minus any abuse that you've directed to other posters on the thread.
Instead, just a rational, objective discussion about the evidence that exists for and against (notice I said evidence, not proof). I'm sure that you are all capable of that - and please, let's not start it by somebody saying "well, I'd do it, but the Lance fan boys/haters are incapable of objectivity."
You don't have to try to change other people's minds, just keep yours open.
Right, now I've said my bit I'm going out to do a bit of sun-worshipping on my bike. Bye-bye everybody.
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The poll is fantastic!
As for the thread idea, marvellous, though I wonder if your utopian view is achievable (though your poll is more in keeping with a totalitarian regime
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I went for the Stalin approach.[/quote]
Dammmm
....I wanted a Stalin aproach :? ...
Better settle with Hitler...
Fantastic thread...right up there with the "thread for paranoid lowlifes" thread;)...
And the poll...? well good one to..it's on par with "ever been kissed thread?", availeble answers NO,NO :roll:
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Lance Pharmstrong's past gear: Actovegin (cow blood IVs), EPO, HGH, Testosterone, IGF-1, Insulin, hemopure, Viagra too.
WADA still does NOT require IRMS testosterone tests.
Female hormones as well!
Pot Belge Cocaine, amphetamines still used by Pharmstrong throughout drug career as professional drug addict.
rsr-13, some interleukins
glucose feeds.
IV marks on body, ..IV dextrose, IV slaine infusions...Lactate Ringers expected accepted - Realgains
Nike Pharmstrong proficient enough to hook his IV bag around picture frames in the hotel room wall.
-Emma O'Reilly said. She was quote, "the heart and soul of team US Postal."
Blood doping happens in the motor home or camper van nowadays. No police search warants. Doping appology by ALL authorites and governing bodies, (most fans.) How can you love the sport unless....?
All Time Nike drug cheating rankings ( Based on lack of natural talent) :
0.) Michele Ferrari
1.) Nike Pharmstrong
2.) Abraham Olano
3.) Richard Virenque
4.) Raimondas Rumšas
5.) Tony Rominger
6.) Bjarne Riis
7.) Jan Ullrich
8.) Marco Pantani
9.) Miguel Indurain
10.) Alex Zülle
11.) Ángel Casero
12. Fernando Escartín
13.) Tyler Hamilton
14.) Levi Leipheimer
15.) Ivan Basso
16.)Alejandro Valverde
17.) Roid Landis
18.) Santiago Botero
19.) Laurent Jalabert
20.) Christophe Brandt0 -
KKspeeder wrote:
Man? Women? Little of both? Or just another fat sack of sh*t? There are some strange people in this world. I'd love to meet that guy.
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Dennis Noward's Favorite Cyclist's banned doping gear:
Strange?
NOW That is Strange.
Infuse that lactate Lance, to pass those hematocrits!
Dilute you blood Lance! Why must Pharmstrong dilute his blood before morning controls?0 -
KKspeeder wrote:
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aurellio ?Planet X N2A
Trek Cobia 29er0 -
dennisn wrote:Man? Women? Little of both? Or just another fat sack of sh*t? There are some strange people in this world. I'd love to meet that guy.
Dennis, you appear to have judged someone you've never met? If you did meet him, then what?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:dennisn wrote:Man? Women? Little of both? Or just another fat sack of sh*t? There are some strange people in this world. I'd love to meet that guy.
Dennis, you appear to have judged someone you've never met? If you did meet him, then what?
You're right. For whatever reason I have decided that this guy / girl has got to be a loser of gigantic proportions and I do mean gigantic. If I met him i would have to ask "Is this it, is
this all you can come up with in life, this is the best you can do with yourself. and so on and so forth?". He did make me laugh though. What a bozo.
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dennisn wrote:iainf72 wrote:dennisn wrote:Man? Women? Little of both? Or just another fat sack of sh*t? There are some strange people in this world. I'd love to meet that guy.
Dennis, you appear to have judged someone you've never met? If you did meet him, then what?
You're right. For whatever reason I have decided that this guy / girl has got to be a loser of gigantic proportions and I do mean gigantic. If I met him i would have to ask "Is this it, is
this all you can come up with in life, this is the best you can do with yourself. and so on and so forth?". He did make me laugh though. What a bozo.
Dennis Noward
Where's your sense of humour?
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Hmmm, that trident has given me some ideas about customising the front fork on my mountain bike...Le Blaireau (1)0 -
DaveyL wrote:
Hmmm, that trident has given me some ideas about customising the front fork on my mountain bike...
Here's a stupid / strange question. Yellow and black, horns, apparently a "devil"
costume of sorts, what am I missing here??? If anything?? What's the significance
of it all?? If anything??? Or is it just idiotic and that's all there is to it??? I need to know the "deeper" meaning.
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I was going to say: "Now that's what I call a Lance!""Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
dennisn wrote:iainf72 wrote:dennisn wrote:Man? Women? Little of both? Or just another fat sack of sh*t? There are some strange people in this world. I'd love to meet that guy.
Dennis, you appear to have judged someone you've never met? If you did meet him, then what?
You're right. For whatever reason I have decided that this guy / girl has got to be a loser of gigantic proportions and I do mean gigantic. If I met him i would have to ask "Is this it, is
this all you can come up with in life, this is the best you can do with yourself. and so on and so forth?". He did make me laugh though. What a bozo.
Dennis Noward
Paul Kimmage really is a master of disguise0 -
I would surmise, Dennis, that it is due to Lance's "Livestrong" klt comprising of said colours.Le Blaireau (1)0
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I thought that the USA had "Freedom of Speech" and he was intitled to make the gesture. (we have lost that right in the UK)iainf72 wrote:dennisn wrote:Man? Women? Little of both? Or just another fat sack of sh*t? There are some strange people in this world. I'd love to meet that guy.
Dennis, you appear to have judged someone you've never met? If you did meet him, then what?
Me, I would shake his hand for all the trouble he went to, to be up there in the cold with all his equipment.
Mr Finch Ref - Liestrong or Stronglies.
This thread you started about the Virus in this sport and the main protagonist will be of little use to me as I avoid the Hypocrite as much as possible and I can safely say that I am a Bigot on the subject.
I waited long enough for RIis to be nailed, after his Litigation to say he was innocent. (I wonder if he had to pay Libel money back)
I can only wait and hope that somebody will break "Omerta" (and his lawyers) and explain how his TUE has benifitted his "Pass Card" to the Testing Proceedure.
Maybe the simple truth is in front of me and all I need to do is have cancer treatment and Kimo to become an Ace Time Trialist and Mountain Climber. (he couldn't do either before Kimo)
Oh Horror that I should say this but that is the other alternative if he is "Clean" and it would be nice of him to say so.
No, No we all know it's something else and he rather proves it by attacking a bystander.
Hate him, No he's just a Joke. (But like most good comedians he's a Rich one)
That's me Lot, so carry on.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
deejay wrote:Mr Finch Ref - Liestrong or Stronglies.
This thread you started about the Virus in this sport and the main protagonist will be of little use to me as I avoid the Hypocrite as much as possible and I can safely say that I am a Bigot on the subject.
Fair enough. I started it to prevent other threads turning into a Lance doping argument. I'm sure you'll hope that it works!0 -
deejay wrote:
I thought that the USA had "Freedom of Speech" and he was intitled to make the gesture. (we have lost that right in the UK)iainf72 wrote:dennisn wrote:Man? Women? Little of both? Or just another fat sack of sh*t? There are some strange people in this world. I'd love to meet that guy.
Dennis, you appear to have judged someone you've never met? If you did meet him, then what?
Me, I would shake his hand for all the trouble he went to, to be up there in the cold with all his equipment.
Sorry, you just haven't convinced me. I'm going to have to stick with "loser, fat sack of......". First impressions ....., as they say.
And yes, we do have freedom of speech and yes, he is entitled. I don't have a problem with him doing that. Gave me a chuckle. Looks like it gave a few riders a chuckle too.
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dennisn wrote:DaveyL wrote:
Hmmm, that trident has given me some ideas about customising the front fork on my mountain bike...
Here's a stupid / strange question. Yellow and black, horns, apparently a "devil"
costume of sorts, what am I missing here??? If anything?? What's the significance
of it all?? If anything??? Or is it just idiotic and that's all there is to it??? I need to know the "deeper" meaning.
Dennis Noward
maybe he wants to "Bee" the devil.... hehehe
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It's amazing in that thread, the one cyclist who pushes him and takes offence is?? It appears to be Lance Armstrong. I usually just read these threads and I don't know much about Lance. The guy in yellow was not seeming to single out Armstrong.
Another thing I heard is, how could he make that Olson girl pregnant? I guess the operation did not make him impotent.
Yet, his ex-wife had to go through artificial insemmination I heard. I don't like to knock anyone but I heard that was a difficult procedure for the woman.0 -
dennisn wrote:Sorry, you just haven't convinced me. I'm going to have to stick with "loser, fat sack of......". First impressions ....., as they say.
And yes, we do have freedom of speech and yes, he is entitled. I don't have a problem with him doing that. Gave me a chuckle. Looks like it gave a few riders a chuckle too.
Dennis Noward
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What stalkers around??? Kick us off this piece of crap website, fine, better that than the rape stalkers represent, FU!
Let them be happy with their bigotry, their hate crimes of the past and every asso who makes a choice to help criminal scum not address hatred0 -
D-Back Mac wrote:What stalkers around??? Kick us off this piece of crap website, fine, better that than the rape stalkers represent, FU!
Let them be happy with their bigotry, their hate crimes of the past and every asso who makes a choice to help criminal scum not address hatred
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To whom is this addressed?0 -
johnfinch wrote:D-Back Mac wrote:What stalkers around??? Kick us off this piece of crap website, fine, better that than the rape stalkers represent, FU!
Let them be happy with their bigotry, their hate crimes of the past and every asso who makes a choice to help criminal scum not address hatred
:? :shock: :? :shock: :? :shock:
To whom is this addressed?
+1????
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