The ultimate Lance doping thread

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  • rockmount
    rockmount Posts: 761
    Kléber wrote:
    I think anyone offended by comments should comment the forum moderators first and ask for their removal. If this is complied with promptly then they would have few grounds to sue
    Wrong !!
    .. who said that, internet forum people ?
  • The Prodigy
    The Prodigy Posts: 832
    Surely this thread should be the place to have the Lance debate again??

    As for his latest indiscretion, if thats what it is, the man's a fool, surely if you are not guilty of any wrongdoing you don't give the doubters any opportunities to start a whole new series of acusations. By going for a shower, he did just that.
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    The Prodigy wrote:
    As for his latest indiscretion, if thats what it is, the man's a fool, surely if you are not guilty of any wrongdoing you don't give the doubters any opportunities to start a whole new series of acusations. By going for a shower, he did just that.

    But he didn't know the rules :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    Fair enough for wanting to get the ID, but surely Bruyneel could have done that while Lance waited with the tester.
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    Yeah, so 'the most tested man in cycling' doesn't understand the identify or authority of the testing body in the country he's training in and doesn't recognise the most senior tester employed by AFLD? Given the length of time between this incident, a subsequent injury and the fact that someone's Twitter feed has been the source of much of the information - smells like a ready made excuse to back out the race with the justification of a 'French witch-hunt'. Do others find it ironic that the man who 'fears for his safety' in France should actually choose to train there?
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Monty Dog wrote:
    Yeah, so 'the most tested man in cycling' doesn't understand the identify or authority of the testing body in the country he's training in and doesn't recognise the most senior tester employed by AFLD? Given the length of time between this incident, a subsequent injury and the fact that someone's Twitter feed has been the source of much of the information - smells like a ready made excuse to back out the race with the justification of a 'French witch-hunt'. Do others find it ironic that the man who 'fears for his safety' in France should actually choose to train there?

    I wouldn't buy a bit of what Lance is supposed to have said about this or that unless I
    knew the context in which he meant it. There are many, many people out there who
    follow ever word of their "heroes". You see it all the time Oprah said, Rush Limbaugh
    said, President Obama said, Lance said. Then what happens? Everyone knows exactly what they meant by that. Even if it's only a snippet of a piece of a conversation. Have you never regretted saying something? C'mon, these are humans we are talking about.
    And humans make jokes, say crazy things once in a while, make idiots of themselves,
    get p*ssed off on occasion, are happy and sad, have feelings and opinions about things,
    and on and on. Lance is one of these "humans" even though lots of people expect him to be perfect in everything. No way, he's just like you and I. Going through life as best he can - just like you and I. You want him perfect but he can't be all things to everyone just
    as you can't be a be all - do all.

    Dennis Noward
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    dennisn wrote:
    Lance is one of these "humans" even though lots of people expect him to be perfect in everything. No way, he's just like you and I. Going through life as best he can - just like you and I. You want him perfect but he can't be all things to everyone just
    as you can't be a be all - do all.

    Dennis Noward

    Dennis - I think you're missing the point here. Nobody's asking any cyclist, or other human being to be perfect in every single way. When it comes to doping, though, we should expect the very best behaviour from athletes.

    Why? Because there are three ways of doing things.

    1) Do everything possible to eliminate doping.
    2) Ban doping, but turn a blind eye to the practice, taking just a few scapegoats every now and then.
    3) Permit doping.

    The problem with options 2 & 3 is that they will both eventually kill off cycling, as well as cost lives. If you were a parent with a very sporting son or daughter, would you encourage them to go into cycling if you knew doping to be widespread? Of course not, as you would not want your offspring to start taking a load of medical products which aren't designed for pushing the human body past its natural limits. We know that doping can kill in the very short term, but how do we know what effect CERA, or HGH will have on an athlete's body over 30 or 40 years?

    So, ethics aside, on a more pragmatic point of view, the only way to tackle this problem is to take a hardline approach.

    That is why fans want pro cyclists to behave perfectly with regards to doping. It isn't a case of expecting more than we would give ourselves, we just want a good, clean, healthy sport.

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