Now Ricco gets busted for EPO

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  • alanmcn1
    alanmcn1 Posts: 531
    DaveyL

    No. Daamsgard system was put in place as a response to the Basso/Puerot affair
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  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Hmmm - if Ricco was on the juice - then presumably other people were as well- he doesnt seem to have any pals in the peleton - so you cant look for his mates to test positive ?

    I guess there will be a few riders looking to abandon over the next few days, and not risk getting up into the places for fear of a dope test ?
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    Thanks, so that leave's BS's proof that CSC, Astana, Columbia and Garmin are "at it" as the facts that Schleck and Cancellara are "supposedly" on an abnormal values list. Well, if that's not bang to rights, I don't know what is.
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  • Evil_Cod
    Evil_Cod Posts: 35
    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Equ ... 63667.html


    As for mates... he has two I think. Piepoli and Simoni. What are the implications of his Giro performance though?
  • andrewgturnbull
    andrewgturnbull Posts: 3,861
    cougie wrote:
    Hmmm - if Ricco was on the juice - then presumably other people were as well- he doesnt seem to have any pals in the peloton - so you cant look for his mates to test positive ?

    I guess there will be a few riders looking to abandon over the next few days, and not risk getting up into the places for fear of a dope test ?

    Which would explain why Saunier Duval are on the first plane home, while Barloworld and Liquigas are still riding.

    Lets home the Gendarmerie have got them surrounded!

    Cheers, Andy

    Ps Did Raimondo Rusmsas's wife ever get home?
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  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    The guys on the ITV podcast will love this. They all but said it earlier in the week. Well worth getting.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    DaveyL wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Yates has been talking about "3rd Generation EPO" being detected. Anybody know exactly what this means? :? Yates obviously knows what he's talking about.

    As for proof that the "programming" teams being clean, I can only offer this.
    Speculation has accompanied every Tour performance of note. SD must be dirty and so it has proven.
    The teams with these controls in place are getting results on a par with those they were getting, prior to setting up this system.

    So, was Basso riding clean, while at CSC? Why have the Schlecks and Cancellara's name been muted in this speculative abnormal list?

    My memory isn't as good as it used to be. Was Basso on CSC's books whilst the Damsgaard programme was in place?

    No, don't believe so.
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  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    Can't wait for the pods tonight!
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    So has Ricco been accosted by the gendarmerie yet? Moises Duenas is still in custody isn't he?
  • ricadus
    ricadus Posts: 2,379
    So is he staring at a possible 5 year jail sentence, or is that just proposed legislation (I wasn't listening hard enough to the Kelly/Harmon conversation just now).
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  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Ricco was driven off in a team car with a policeman next to him to go to the station.

    Blimey the tour really stretches policing doesnt it. Not only the barrier control, but to process all the crims..

    And over here the forces want so much money just for a Premier Calendar event !
  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
    Barloworld are barely riding, they're now down to 4 men.

    They lost Soler early on after crashing a couple of times, lost another couple that windy day, and apparently Baden Cooke has just abandoned after a crash.
  • davesvord
    davesvord Posts: 80
    I'm surprised they have not pulled the plug on their website yet.

    http://www.saunierduval-scott.com/cycli ... anguage=EN
  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
    Pic on BBC website
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    Ninth stage winner Riccardo Ricco is surrounded by media before Monday 's 156km 10th stage between Pau and Hautacam

    I'll bet the scrum around him today, if the media could get at him, would be a bit thicker !
    (and that French reported guy might not be smiling so sweetly ...)
  • Peakraider
    Peakraider Posts: 143
    OffTheBackAdam wrote:
    Bad.
    Another "Cyclists are dopers" headline in the press, sponsors withdraw, teams go to the wall, people lose jobs, fans lose interest.

    Why is that bad? I'm not going to stop cycling or watching cycling just because sponsors withdraw and some fans leave. Are you?

    Wouldn't it help solve the problem if some of the teams went to the wall, some dodgy people lost jobs, and some of the finance left the sport?

    You sound a bit like the football commentators who moan about bad tackles, sendings off, etc. I enjoy that stuff!
  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    Not that Ricco is finished, he won't be needing those Scott addicts of his, I'll take one of them of his hands - they're about my size.
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  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
    Scott addict - how appropriate !
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Who will be next and when?
    A lot of stuff being said on ESUK that is very selective.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Peakraider
    Peakraider Posts: 143
    MatHammond wrote:
    CSC next? Weren't Schleck and Cancallara being targetted for tests? The team looked suspiciously strong the other day...

    Cancellara's job up the Tourmalet was utterly utterly unbelievable.
  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    Peakraider wrote:
    MatHammond wrote:
    CSC next? Weren't Schleck and Cancallara being targetted for tests? The team looked suspiciously strong the other day...

    Cancellara's job up the Tourmalet was utterly utterly unbelievable.

    You have to remember he got to the foot of the climb ahead of the GC contenders, and they caught him on the climb didn't they? Doesn't seem that unbelievable to me that he got to the top at roughly the same time as them.
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  • jon208
    jon208 Posts: 335
    I've just picked up this weeks copy of Cycling Weekly - out of date as soon as it hit the shelf! I see you can buy Saunier Duval team Musettes, I wonder what you get in those......
  • andrewgturnbull
    andrewgturnbull Posts: 3,861
    Peakraider wrote:
    Wouldn't it help solve the problem if some of the teams went to the wall, some dodgy people lost jobs, and some of the finance left the sport?

    Hi there.

    My thoughts exactly. Well they were my thoughts 4 years ago:

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/letters/?id= ... r02letters

    Cheers, Andy

    ps Jeff Jones - I never received my free copy of that book... I had to go and buy it myself - you owe me!
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  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    Well, Andy, I believe Dave_1 will be along in a minute to challenge your position. Apparently it's better to keep schtum and carry on regardless to preserve riders' jobs...
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  • eh
    eh Posts: 4,854
    Be interesting to know if his 2 Stage win tests also go positive, or whether this stuff has a very short testing period.

    I blame Ligget and Sherwen for banging on about his similarities with Pantani :roll:
  • eh
    eh Posts: 4,854
    Be interesting to know if his 2 Stage win tests also go positive, or whether this stuff has a very short testing period.

    I blame Ligget and Sherwen for banging on about his similarities with Pantani :roll:
  • bipedal
    bipedal Posts: 466
    Slightly different take from the Guardian:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/ju ... e.cycling3

    Interesting quotes:

    "It's for the same product as the other two," said the French anti-doping agency president, Pierre Bordry. "He hasn't been notified yet but will be in the next few minutes."

    "It's completely shocking," said the International Cycling Union president Pat McQuaid. "It would strike me now that someone would have advised those guys to take some form of EPO thought to be undetectable because we haven't caught guys in this fashion for a long time."

    Suggests that all three might have been snagged for the new EPO?
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    DaveyL wrote:
    According to the expert in Daniel's blog, it's only been available since the start of the year.
    That's commercially available. Cera's been around since about 2001/2002.

    Between then and 2007, Roche organised several series of trials on volunteers in three different phases. Even if you weren’t someone with anaemia or a cancer background, it was probably possible to get hold of Cera during the last 6-7 years, if you were determined enough or had the right contacts.

    Roche are a Swiss company but their main research centres are in the US.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    I'd find it very hard to believe they'd be getting stuff that was still in clinical trials.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    knedlicky wrote:
    Roche are a Swiss company but their main research centres are in the US.
    Isn't Switzerland the documented place to go to find the drugs you need if you're a pro cyclist, i.e. there are a few dodgy pharmacies? I wonder if the two are linked?

    Does anyone recall the incident with Mauro Gianetti in the Tour de Suisse in the mid to late 1990s too? He crashed due to some kind of bad reaction to a drug he took, a drug which hadn't undergone clinical trials at the time.
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Many riders in the bunch are going to be bricking themselves. One minute they think they can sail through the tests, now they are being caught. I'm half expecting an outbreak of cases of diarrhea, food poisoning, saddle sores, sore backs and more...

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