Silly commuting racing

chewa

Good scalp for me this am. Roadie on a Pinarello. I caught him on an incline so it took a wee bit to pass.

Said a cheery good morning then pretended to admire his chainset (Campag Chorus I think) while really just being sure that he did in fact have shaved legs.

rhext

victor ludorum wrote:

I think using a slower bike on purpose is unsportsmanlike, and should see you disbarred from The Game. Okay, if you happen to be on a slower bike you must use the tools you've got, but deliberately under equipping yourself to score easy points!? No... Lions must look like lions, and lambs must look like lambs.

I think there's a fundamental philosophical discussion to be had here and it revolves around the following question:

Are points created benignly in the self-satisfied glow you get from exerting yourself mightily to pass someone clearly much fitter and better equipped than yourself - or are they ripped painfully and humiliatingly from the still-beating hearts of the people you pass?

Because if the latter, it's clear that the more like a lamb you look, the better and more successfully you're going to play. Baaaaaa!

Bassjunkieuk

rhext wrote:

victor ludorum wrote:

I think using a slower bike on purpose is unsportsmanlike, and should see you disbarred from The Game. Okay, if you happen to be on a slower bike you must use the tools you've got, but deliberately under equipping yourself to score easy points!? No... Lions must look like lions, and lambs must look like lambs.

I think there's a fundamental philosophical discussion to be had here and it revolves around the following question:

Are points created benignly in the self-satisfied glow you get from exerting yourself mightily to pass someone clearly much fitter and better equipped than yourself - or are they ripped painfully and humiliatingly from the still-beating hearts of the people you pass?

Because if the latter, it's clear that the more like a lamb you look, the better and more successfully you're going to play. Baaaaaa!

I think it's more fun to overtake someone who appears to be better equipped and or fitter then you :-) I mean if I overtook a Rover Metro in my Ferrari (if had a frontal lobotomy and brought one that is.......) I wouldn't feel that good. Whearas if I overtook another Ferrari or a Bugatti Veyron for example I'd be pleased! The idea of riding a bike further down the food chain is akin to putting a 2 litre V6 engine into a Nova, you become a wolf in sheep's clothing! But then if that's how you want to play then so be it!

Still can't wait until I'm back on my bike for work, should be next week, so I can start to play again! Only action I can report of note was a no.5 roadie whilst out over the weekend on the way home from the mates. Did him on a hill and could hardly see him by the time I reached the crest :-)

Greg T

I think Bass that you misunderstand the basic thrust of Rhext's question.

He does not suggest that lower order scalping ( we need a cool word for this.. discuss) is allowable or even enjoyable. What I think he's asking si is this a victimless crime....

When you mark up that point in your head can you do so with Ghandi like reflection on a the purity of your purpose and meaning of your achievement - probably go home and discuss with your "life partner" over a glass of soya milk.

Or do you rip their living scalps from their heads, their souls from their bodies and place them amongst your mighty trophies - lit from the light of burning BMXers with a soundtrack of weeping roadies, squealing brakes and shattered femurs.

Me I'm in the viking camp

rhext

Greg's right! :twisted:

2wheelzgood

A roadie with team kit and shavenlegs is a poser. He needs de-scalping. hence I'm stealing his cool factor as it didn't look good on him.

This works even better on brakes fixies.. they think they're all dat. not so when a lollypop tourer goes past!


put it this way, if you get done by a "slower" bike, do you feel happy for them and their skill (the Ghandi way)

or do you feel abused and want to get back at em (alla Ghengis Khan).

It's definitely NOT a victimless game. how could you be happy for a brompton rider in a fluorescent top who signals when stationary on a side road waiting to emerge? How?

victor ludorum

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for shock and awe... One of my purest (and most puerile) pleasures in life is dashing up behind a sap (sorry cyclist in front), usually one who has taken a better line in traffic/risked their neck by flitting down a two foot gap between moving buses/ RLJed and gotten past me and then freewheeling along in their slipstream with the cassette on my campag gruopset tacking loudly for as long as possible. Just as they're about to crack, I drop a gear and drop them like someone else's jock strap. :twisted:

victor ludorum

2wheelzgood wrote:

put it this way, if you get done by a "slower" bike, do you feel happy for them and their skill (the Ghandi way)

I don't know, its never happened to me.

Greg T

2wheelzgood wrote:

It's definitely NOT a victimless game. how could you be happy for a brompton rider in a fluorescent top who signals when stationary on a side road waiting to emerge? How?

That hurt my eyes just to read it.

Victor Von Ludorum wrote:

I don't know, its never happened to me.

All that schnapps and duelling have gone to your head mein Herr. My scalp is now affixed with velcro to save on the stitching

Clever Pun

Greg T wrote:

2wheelzgood wrote:

It's definitely NOT a victimless game. how could you be happy for a brompton rider in a fluorescent top who signals when stationary on a side road waiting to emerge? How?

That hurt my eyes just to read it.

I'm on the brompton on friday and I think cycling to victioria along the embankment would be a nice cycle (read as: sprinting my balls off) before getting the train... going to rack up the points to make up for the lack of people on my route this morning

so if a bearded dude on a brompton nonchalantly flies past you it's a point for Pun and soul crushing defeat for you

be afraid

jedster

I like this philisophical avenue...

Clearly part of the game is about inflicting psychological damage on the vanquished. What was it Arnie said?

Crush your enemies, see (them left gasping in your wake), and to hear the lamentations of the women

something like that anyway.

You've got to take more pleasure in the ego popping potential of the Q-bike.

Isn't there a story that Eddy Merx used to turn up on club runs on a single speed butcher's bike and slay people? That's not nice but it does display an impressive feel for what Steve Waugh would call "psychological disintegration".

On a different topic, where does the panel stand on the following tactic:

You see a top predator lady-shaver stopped at some lights. You filter to the front and track stand (alright wobble around almost stationary). Then hit it when the lights change, seizing a lead before they are really up on the pedals. They never get a really good chance to come back at you. Is that a win?

J

greg66_tri_v2.0

jedster wrote:

On a different topic, where does the panel stand on the following tactic:

You see a top predator lady-shaver stopped at some lights. You filter to the front and track stand (alright wobble around almost stationary). Then hit it when the lights change, seizing a lead before they are really up on the pedals. They never get a really good chance to come back at you. Is that a win?

J

Let's just re-run that in real time.

Cycling God is waiting at the lights, with his HR elevated to all of 48. Pretender scuttles past, desperate not to make eye contact. Said pretender then attempts to do a track stand. Cycling God wonders why there is a circus chimpanzee disturbing his view of the road.

The lights change. Chimp pedals as fast as his little legs will carry him. Chimp maxes out with the roar of blood in his ears, and the terror of knowing what is to come.

Cycling God lazily accelerates, and then continues to accelerate, up to a HR of 75, sitting up on the hoods, and blasts past Chimp with a bow wave of compressed air strong enough to make Chimp soil his shorts. Front and back.

Within 30 seconds, Chimp can no longer see Cycling God any more. But next time at the lights, Chimp will know to remaining cowering at the back of the line.

:twisted:

Bassjunkieuk

jedster wrote:

I like this philisophical avenue...

Clearly part of the game is about inflicting psychological damage on the vanquished. What was it Arnie said?

Crush your enemies, see (them left gasping in your wake), and to hear the lamentations of the women

something like that anyway.

You've got to take more pleasure in the ego popping potential of the Q-bike.

Isn't there a story that Eddy Merx used to turn up on club runs on a single speed butcher's bike and slay people? That's not nice but it does display an impressive feel for what Steve Waugh would call "psychological disintegration".

On a different topic, where does the panel stand on the following tactic:

You see a top predator lady-shaver stopped at some lights. You filter to the front and track stand (alright wobble around almost stationary). Then hit it when the lights change, seizing a lead before they are really up on the pedals. They never get a really good chance to come back at you. Is that a win?

J

Hmm, that's a good question which I'm sure Greg will help us with when he gets back. As far as I'm concerned as long as you can outrun someone then the victory is yours. If anything they should expect to be raced off the lights and so be extra ready!
Again I hate to draw the analogy to cars but shaving your legs is akin to fitting a body kit to your car, your advertising your apparent prowess (or lack of taste....) thereby inviting everyone to "come and have a go if you think your hard enough". If you can't produce the goods at this vital moment then I'm afraid you deserve to be scalped!

2wheelzgood

Jedster, not a win, but if you get away without looking rushed, he may not have enough time/speed to get back at you..
that's if you're afraid of being overhauled..

Technically I'd say it's better for your game standings if you set off at the same time and match or beat him just cos you can if you're lower in the FC.

using a quick start off lights to prevent a possible scalping is bad form IMHO.

2wheelzgood

Greg66, are you the cycling God? I think you're instantly FCn -10 for suggesting so!
The chimps will be after you mate!

attica

What's gonna happen come the winter?
It's gonna get loads harder to tell the difference between classes of riders once they're all wearing tights and waterproof jackets, how do you know if they're shaven or not? Or wearing a TdF shirt under that waterproof?

Greg T

jedster wrote:

You see a top predator lady-shaver stopped at some lights. You filter to the front and track stand (alright wobble around almost stationary). Then hit it when the lights change, seizing a lead before they are really up on the pedals. They never get a really good chance to come back at you. Is that a win?

J

I'd say it depends on how long a run they have to ride you down....

If you are on a 2 mile long drag strip then the 20M initial advantage will be lost faster than a virgin's maidenhead at a 1970's Rolling Stones after show party...

If you stay away with the required elan and dash then book your win....

Shorter distances are harder to judge - perhaps book a fractional win and hedge it against when it happens to you...

I myself suddenly found myself number two to a tourer this morning and had to take raid action lest he think I was vapour trailing him 'cos I didn't have the cojones..

Speaking of Cojones where's Greg66 - I thought he'd be on here telling us that after the TDF footage this weekend and whipping himself into a froth he's been out dropping scooters and Police cars.......

Emilia

OK chaps, I have a question:

What's the points situation when a fat girl on a fixie overtakes a shaven roadie on a triple, on the way up a hill?

Greg T

Emilia wrote:

OK chaps, I have a question:

What's the points situation when a fat girl on a fixie overtakes a shaven roadie on a triple, on the way up a hill?

Greg66 - Over to you mon brave - how DOES that feel?

greg66_tri_v2.0

Greg T wrote:

Emilia wrote:

OK chaps, I have a question:

What's the points situation when a fat girl on a fixie overtakes a shaven roadie on a triple, on the way up a hill?

Greg66 - Over to you mon brave - how DOES that feel?

I fear Emilia has become delirious.

No shaven roadie would ride a triple. Ever.

Perhaps she is simply confused: a fat girl holds all the aces on the way *down* the hill.

Greg T

Greg66 wrote:

No shaven roadie would ride a triple. Ever.

Perhaps she is simply confused: a fat girl holds all the aces on the way *down* the hill.

Argh

I see the purity of his argument here.....

A man who shaves his legs (like a lady) wouldn't miss out a status faux pas like having a spare chain ring.

Fat burds on bikes should be given every encouragement however....

Pictures would help us decide - yes pictures.

cjcp

Greg66 wrote:

Greg T wrote:

Emilia wrote:

OK chaps, I have a question:

What's the points situation when a fat girl on a fixie overtakes a shaven roadie on a triple, on the way up a hill?

Greg66 - Over to you mon brave - how DOES that feel?

I fear Emilia has become delirious.

No shaven roadie would ride a triple. Ever.

Perhaps she is simply confused: a fat girl holds all the aces on the way *down* the hill.

What is this "triple" you speak of?

Bassjunkieuk

Greg T wrote:

Greg66 wrote:

Pictures would help us decide - yes pictures.

Of the shaved roadie? I'm sure there's plenty of examples over on ITV4 atm, with all the TDF coverage.....

Clever Pun

with the lights comment, to me overtaking is all it's s much cleaner victory than sneaking past waiting at the lights

if you can stay ahead fair play but wouldn't it have been much sweeter to take him down

Greg T

Bassjunkieuk wrote:

Of the shaved roadie? I'm sure there's plenty of examples over on ITV4 atm, with all the TDF coverage.....

That is Defo NOT what I want.

Before all you Thai ladyboy Roadies start sending me pictures of your silky thighs - just stop it- don't bother - I'll be clearing out my PM box for ages now.

London Dynamo A Go Go...

Emilia

Greg66 wrote:

Greg T wrote:

Emilia wrote:

OK chaps, I have a question:

What's the points situation when a fat girl on a fixie overtakes a shaven roadie on a triple, on the way up a hill?

Greg66 - Over to you mon brave - how DOES that feel?

I fear Emilia has become delirious.

No shaven roadie would ride a triple. Ever.

Perhaps she is simply confused: a fat girl holds all the aces on the way *down* the hill.

Hmmm, but having to pedal a fixie downhill might cancel out the advantage of the extra weight...

This feels like a bit of a scissors-paper-stone situation: a fixed gear is further up the food chain than a triple - but does this still hold when going uphill?

And a fat girl could be lower down the food chain than a skinny bloke (judging by some of the reactions I've had when overtaking), but would their respective gearings redress this balance?

It's a tricky one...

Sea_Green_Incorruptible

Emilia wrote:

OK chaps, I have a question:

What's the points situation when a fat girl on a fixie overtakes a shaven roadie on a triple, on the way up a hill?

I think the technical term would be that you 'owned' him.

Having said that, I take Greg66's point about the triple. In fact, I wonder whether this is actually a '+1' offence when applied to shaved like a girl roadies: almost like riding a full sus MTB over a hardtail in the 'nobblies' category.

Anything less than a massive campag double diminishes the manliness of a shaven roadie in my book - a sheep in wolf's clothing.

snooks

jedster wrote:

You see a top predator lady-shaver stopped at some lights. You filter to the front and track stand (alright wobble around almost stationary). Then hit it when the lights change, seizing a lead before they are really up on the pedals. They never get a really good chance to come back at you. Is that a win?

Fraid not

Read the rules dear chap (or chapess)
Rules:
1/ No Dangerous Manoeuvres (Don't be a danger to other road users or yourself) Falling off causes pain to you and others around you, don’t do it! (oh and you loose yer points)
2/ Don’t ride like a fool, we’re all just trying to get somewhere!
3/ No passing at Lights/Junction/Crossings, if you do, it doesn’t count
4/ All passing on open road ONLY. Filtering in traffic is null and void (you know whether you’ve dropped someone fairly, and haven’t turned off straight afterwards)
5/ Pavement passes, either you or the target is void
6/ Show no pain, unless, like me your face is just like that

That would be 3 and 4 and a wait yer turn at junctions, then, when the lights change do the honest thing...Hunt the lady legged swine down, freewheel past them, feet off pedals legs spread and a whoop of joy with a big smile...remember rule 6 at this point...
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victor ludorum

Attica wrote:

What's gonna happen come the winter?
It's gonna get loads harder to tell the difference between classes of riders once they're all wearing tights and waterproof jackets, how do you know if they're shaven or not? Or wearing a TdF shirt under that waterproof?

Not at all. The true alpha dog will be in rapha or a club/team raincape (assuming they deign to notice something as trivial as rain and cold). Sleek overshoes. The clothing will not be brightly coloured.

They might have a rear mudguard to keep muddy splashes off said rapha, but it will only be a clip on.

The true (not fakenger) SS fixed/free might have one more hole-ly jumper on and their dreads loose to keep their necks warm.

Hairy Roadies will probably be in some bastardised combination of the above.

Everybody else will be in luminous Endura/Altura and waterproof overtrousers making wiffling noises as they pedal.

jedster

Technically I'd say it's better for your game standings if you set off at the same time and match or beat him just cos you can if you're lower in the FC.

using a quick start off lights to prevent a possible scalping is bad form IMHO.

Of course you are right. I had this niggling gut instinct that it wasn't quite cricket. And as others have said about your FC rating, your gut is a good guide on all aspects of The Game.

Jedster

BTW, either Greg has got access to TfL's traffic light cameras or he's been stalking me...