Richmond Park 3-lap Challenge - 2008
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Yeah, Guinea, great effort.
There's no way that's down to an absence of roadworks. That's a a huge chunk of time off your PB. In terms of distance on the road, that's easily from the Roehampton Gate car park entrance up to and beyond the roundabout turning to Sheen Gate. FCN 2-4.
"What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
"It stays down, Daddy."
"Exactly."0 -
Nice work indeed Guinea, more than 15mins off your first ever effort if I recall
Name............................Anti or Clock......Weight....Time.......Month AndrewBye....................3laps/anti........75kg......52:07......Feb
KingstonWheeler............3laps/anti........67kg......53:52......Feb
seabadger......................3 laps/anti.......78kg......54:01......Mar
CJ...................................3laps/anti........80kg......57:50......Mar
RedGreenBaron.............3laps/anti........70kg......58:20......Jan
AmateurDC.....................3 laps/anti.......88kg......58:45......Mar
Shane p..........................3laps/anti........64Kg......58:45......Feb
MatHammond..................3laps/Anti.......84kg......58.50......Feb
Damo...............................3laps/Anti.......??kg......59.25......Mar
Toks................................3laps/Anti.......73kg......61.00.....Jan
Gradiric...........................2Cloc/1Anti.....75kg......63.14.....Feb
Statts...............................3laps/Anti.......72kg......64.10.....Mar
Christ-on-a-bike!.............3laps/Anti.......78kg......64:30.....Feb
toontra............................3laps/Anti........75kg......65.42.....Feb
Les shaw........................3laps/Anti........67kg......65.45 [touring bike].. Feb
Onehipwonder................3laps/anti........84kg......65.97......Mar
Hobbes...........................3laps/anti........95kg......66.00......Mar
KMahony ........... ....... ...3laps/Anti........98kg......66:31.......Feb
London-Red.............. ....3laps/Clock.....84kg......68.20.......Feb
Guinea............................3laps/anti........84kg......69:47......Mar bikecarbike.....................3laps/anti........100kg....71:30......Jan
Greenbank......................3laps/anti.......78kg......72:32......Feb0 -
Wow. That's just brilliant Guinea.
I've been waiting for you to post that message. It's a great achievement.
Hope to meet again soon and shake your hand.
Alex0 -
I went back and looked at my first lap time from the other thread. It was over 1hr 25mins and I felt like death after it. I remember going home, sinking into the bath and falling asleep. Nowadays after three laps I do a couple more for a warm down.
I actually went to Richmond park twice before I set my first time. On each of those occaisions I didn't even finish three laps. I was too knackered.
I have to say, this thread (and its predesessor) has given me great motivation. Without it I wouldn't have known about the great a cycling resource that Richmond Park is. This thread has also given ma a target to aim at.
Thanks for the support all, see you down there...0 -
rolo tumazi......................3laps/anti..........faah*.....59:25.....Apr
*faah = fat as a house. i'll use more appropriate units when i can find the scales.
your move mr billios!0 -
Hi rolo tumazi its the Ricmond Park thread police here. Excellent first effort. If you're going to let us all know how you've done (which of course we want) Please put yours entry in with the others. Once people start to post individual entries it starts to get messy. Oh sod it I'll do it for you. Well donerolotumazi wrote:rolo tumazi......................3laps/anti..........faah*.....59:25.....Apr
*faah = fat as a house. i'll use more appropriate units when i can find the scales.
your move mr billios!
Name............................Anti or Clock......Weight....Time.......Month AndrewBye....................3laps/anti........75kg......52:07......Feb
KingstonWheeler............3laps/anti........67kg......53:52......Feb
seabadger......................3 laps/anti.......78kg......54:01......Mar
CJ...................................3laps/anti........80kg......57:50......Mar
RedGreenBaron.............3laps/anti........70kg......58:20......Jan
AmateurDC.....................3 laps/anti.......88kg......58:45......Mar
Shane p..........................3laps/anti........64Kg......58:45......Feb
MatHammond..................3laps/Anti.......84kg......58.50......Feb
Damo...............................3laps/Anti.......??kg......59.25......Mar
rolo tumazi......................3laps/anti..........faah*.....59:25.....Apr
Toks................................3laps/Anti.......73kg......61.00.....Jan
Gradiric...........................2Cloc/1Anti.....75kg......63.14.....Feb
Statts...............................3laps/Anti.......72kg......64.10.....Mar
Christ-on-a-bike!.............3laps/Anti.......78kg......64:30.....Feb
toontra............................3laps/Anti........75kg......65.42.....Feb
Les shaw........................3laps/Anti........67kg......65.45 [touring bike].. Feb
Onehipwonder................3laps/anti........84kg......65.97......Mar
Hobbes...........................3laps/anti........95kg......66.00......Mar
KMahony ........... ....... ...3laps/Anti........98kg......66:31.......Feb
London-Red.............. ....3laps/Clock.....84kg......68.20.......Feb
Guinea............................3laps/anti........84kg......69:47......Mar bikecarbike.....................3laps/anti........100kg....71:30......Jan
Greenbank......................3laps/anti.......78kg......72:32......Feb0 -
So I've put the touring bike away until next winter, spruced up me audax bike and donned a pair of cruddy shorts to 'ave another bash. One can't legislate for who or what you're gonna have to negotiate in Richmond Park. F'rinstance: A brisk westerley wind intent on pushing you backwards on the first drag after Sheen gate, then cars wanting to turn into the cp at the top and block the inside lane [for a cyclist], an ambulance forcing the car in front of me to just pull over despite there being enough room and the said ambulance was going in the opposite direction :evil: Grrr! Then finally on the home stretch 100 mts before the cafe I overtook a cyclist, who I kid you not, at the very moment of me overtaking him without the meerest glance over his shoulder decided to pull over to the otherside of the road! :shock: I don't know who was more alarmed but we escaped and I called him a "nutter". The more I think about it I'm the "nutter".
Anyone recommend a time of day to attempt this 3 lap challenge in relative peace?
Name............................Anti or Clock......Weight....Time.......Month AndrewBye....................3laps/anti........75kg......52:07......Feb
KingstonWheeler............3laps/anti........67kg......53:52......Feb
seabadger......................3 laps/anti.......78kg......54:01......Mar
CJ...................................3laps/anti........80kg......57:50......Mar
RedGreenBaron.............3laps/anti........70kg......58:20......Jan
AmateurDC.....................3 laps/anti.......88kg......58:45......Mar
Shane p..........................3laps/anti........64Kg......58:45......Feb
MatHammond..................3laps/Anti.......84kg......58.50......Feb
Damo...............................3laps/Anti.......??kg......59.25......Mar
rolo tumazi......................3laps/anti..........faah*.....59:25.....Apr
Toks................................3laps/Anti.......73kg......61.00.....Jan
Gradiric...........................2Cloc/1Anti.....75kg......63.14.....Feb
Les shaw.........................3laps/Anti..... 66kg......63:47[audax bike].....Apr
Statts...............................3laps/Anti.......72kg......64.10.....Mar
Christ-on-a-bike!.............3laps/Anti.......78kg......64:30.....Feb
toontra............................3laps/Anti........75kg......65.42.....Feb
Onehipwonder................3laps/anti........84kg......65.97......Mar
Hobbes...........................3laps/anti........95kg......66.00......Mar
KMahony ........... ....... ...3laps/Anti........98kg......66:31.......Feb
London-Red.............. ....3laps/Clock.....84kg......68.20.......Feb
Guinea............................3laps/anti........84kg......69:47......Mar bikecarbike.....................3laps/anti........100kg....71:30......Jan
Greenbank......................3laps/anti.......78kg......72:32......Feb0 -
"Anyone recommend a time of day to attempt this 3 lap challenge in relative peace?"
That's the joy of it - the chance of perfect conditions is almost zero so there's always an improvement out there waiting for you - even if it's in the hands of an inattentive dogwalker, or a driver actually obeying the limit.
V. early at w/e or between 10 and 12 weekday morning probably best.0 -
Well somebody has to go at the bottom...
Name
Anti or Clock----Weight
Time
Month
Wackyjack
3 laps/Anti
92kg
79.15
April
Still think we should include age range so us "novice veterans" don't feel so humiliated....0 -
Don't be embarassed! I was far slower than you on my first attempt. Use it as motivation to get out more.
Name............................Anti or Clock......Weight....Time.......Month AndrewBye....................3laps/anti........75kg......52:07......Feb
KingstonWheeler............3laps/anti........67kg......53:52......Feb
seabadger......................3 laps/anti.......78kg......54:01......Mar
CJ...................................3laps/anti........80kg......57:50......Mar
RedGreenBaron.............3laps/anti........70kg......58:20......Jan
AmateurDC.....................3 laps/anti.......88kg......58:45......Mar
Shane p..........................3laps/anti........64Kg......58:45......Feb
MatHammond..................3laps/Anti.......84kg......58.50......Feb
Damo...............................3laps/Anti.......??kg......59.25......Mar
rolo tumazi......................3laps/anti..........faah*.....59:25.....Apr
Toks................................3laps/Anti.......73kg......61.00.....Jan
Gradiric...........................2Cloc/1Anti.....75kg......63.14.....Feb
Les shaw.........................3laps/Anti..... 66kg......63:47[audax bike].....Apr
Statts...............................3laps/Anti.......72kg......64.10.....Mar
Christ-on-a-bike!.............3laps/Anti.......78kg......64:30.....Feb
toontra............................3laps/Anti........75kg......65.42.....Feb
Onehipwonder................3laps/anti........84kg......65.97......Mar
Hobbes...........................3laps/anti........95kg......66.00......Mar
KMahony ........... ....... ...3laps/Anti........98kg......66:31.......Feb
Guinea............................3laps/anti........84kg......67:08......Mar
London-Red.............. ....3laps/Clock.....84kg......68.20.......Feb
bikecarbike.....................3laps/anti........100kg....71:30......Jan
Greenbank......................3laps/anti.......78kg......72:32......Feb
Wackyjack......................3 laps/Anti......92kg......79.15......Apr0 -
Thanks RedGreenBaron for the offer.
I'm actually in W14 (Near Olympia) but still neighbours I guess.
As it happens, I've just started a new job and there are days when I'll be working from home. Weather permitting, I plan to take advantage of this and get a lot of K's (Sorry Miles) under my belt as unfortunately I'm seriously unfit.
Not having done barely any fitness in 6 months and then after bungin my knee up just as my new bike arrived a month ago, I'm just easing into it, embarrasingly so might I add.
I took my first ride around Richmond to familiarise myself with the track, but with so many fellow riders it was so demoralising getting overtaken as often as I did I didn't hang around to do 3 laps. (22 minute lap :oops:)
Can I just say though, on a serious note it is inspiring it is to see so many people both running and riding in the park today, and in particular the number of para athletes out on the roads.
The long grazed legged one0 -
The emu wrote:Thanks RedGreenBaron for the offer.
I'm actually in W14 (Near Olympia) but still neighbours I guess.
As it happens, I've just started a new job and there are days when I'll be working from home. Weather permitting, I plan to take advantage of this and get a lot of K's (Sorry Miles) under my belt as unfortunately I'm seriously unfit.
Not having done barely any fitness in 6 months and then after bungin my knee up just as my new bike arrived a month ago, I'm just easing into it, embarrasingly so might I add.
I took my first ride around Richmond to familiarise myself with the track, but with so many fellow riders it was so demoralising getting overtaken as often as I did I didn't hang around to do 3 laps. (22 minute lap :oops:)
Can I just say though, on a serious note it is inspiring it is to see so many people both running and riding in the park today, and in particular the number of para athletes out on the roads.
Seriously unfit at 22 min laps. :shock: Just how fit were you six months ago!?
Your comment about the Park is spot on. I'd never seen anything like it when I moved hee three years ago. I'm sure that a number of the athletes in wheelchairs have competed/do compete for GB.FCN 2-4.
"What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
"It stays down, Daddy."
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I'm never seriously fast, but I'm basing my comment more on how comfortable (or lack of comfort) I rode.
The way I am at the moment harks me back to the days when I first started riding a few years ago, it's not that enjoyable but with every ride I'll gain my fitness back and the enjoyment follows.
Once I get my first time up on the board, my first target is doing the 3 lap challenge under an hour. Am tempted about heading out this afternoon for a crack but really hesitant of ice on the roads. What are peoples thoughts on this?
The long grazed legged one0 -
I very much doubt there'll be ice because the temperature didn't drop that far. But it might be a bit slippy being wet.FCN 2-4.
"What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
"It stays down, Daddy."
"Exactly."0 -
No your right,
I ended up going out and completing my first 3 lapper.
No ice, but riding in the snow on the second lap was a novel concept.
So after being over taken first by a guy wearing tracky dacks, and then a chap with mudguards on his treadly, :roll: I finished with a lame 73:28. I'd say the wind was tough, but then it's probably normal for Richmond Park.
Name............................Anti or Clock......Weight....Time.......Month AndrewBye....................3laps/anti........75kg......52:07......Feb
KingstonWheeler............3laps/anti........67kg......53:52......Feb
seabadger......................3 laps/anti.......78kg......54:01......Mar
CJ...................................3laps/anti........80kg......57:50......Mar
RedGreenBaron.............3laps/anti........70kg......58:20......Jan
AmateurDC.....................3 laps/anti.......88kg......58:45......Mar
Shane p..........................3laps/anti........64Kg......58:45......Feb
MatHammond..................3laps/Anti.......84kg......58.50......Feb
Damo...............................3laps/Anti.......??kg......59.25......Mar
rolo tumazi......................3laps/anti..........faah*.....59:25.....Apr
Toks................................3laps/Anti.......73kg......61.00.....Jan
Gradiric...........................2Cloc/1Anti.....75kg......63.14.....Feb
Les shaw.........................3laps/Anti..... 66kg......63:47[audax bike].....Apr
Statts...............................3laps/Anti.......72kg......64.10.....Mar
Christ-on-a-bike!.............3laps/Anti.......78kg......64:30.....Feb
toontra............................3laps/Anti........75kg......65.42.....Feb
Onehipwonder................3laps/anti........84kg......65.97......Mar
Hobbes...........................3laps/anti........95kg......66.00......Mar
KMahony ........... ....... ...3laps/Anti........98kg......66:31.......Feb
Guinea............................3laps/anti........84kg......67:08......Mar
London-Red.............. ....3laps/Clock.....84kg......68.20.......Feb
bikecarbike.....................3laps/anti........100kg....71:30......Jan
Greenbank......................3laps/anti.......78kg......72:32......Feb
The Emu..........................3laps/Anti.......88kg......73.28.....Apr
Wackyjack......................3 laps/Anti......92kg......79.15......Apr
Rock on!
The long grazed legged one0 -
Recently I beat my season's target of 70 minutes and last monday I managed to hit my new PB of 67:08. A few days later in perfect conditions I tried again. I got sub 22 for the first lap and I started to dream of a 66 minute lap. I pushed too hard though and blew up. I finished with 68:35 - about a minute and a half slower than my PB. I thought at this point that it would be a good while before I beat my current time and my new target of a sub 65 time was a challenge.
Tonight changed that.
I popped down to do a 6 lap session and I noticed that my time getting to RP was faster than normal so I decided to push on. I was a lot more comfortable in the drops today and was sailing at around 30mph overtaking cars on the descent between Richmond and Ham gates.
My first lap was 21.21. I decided to push on and not worry about blowing up. The second lap was slightly faster 21.18 even though I got held up on the drap back up to Richmond gate by some deer spotters. I knew I was onto something so I pushed hard on the last lap. The drag to Richmond gate was hard into the wind and my speed dropped a lot, but I still made it in 21.38. I didn't actually know my time until I got home and added up my split times. I was delighted to see I got 64.17.
Rather than try to create another easy goal, I might as well now focus on getting under 60 minutes. I was held up at least 30 seconds today...
Name............................Anti or Clock......Weight....Time.......Month AndrewBye....................3laps/anti........75kg......52:07......Feb
KingstonWheeler............3laps/anti........67kg......53:52......Feb
seabadger......................3 laps/anti.......78kg......54:01......Mar
CJ...................................3laps/anti........80kg......57:50......Mar
RedGreenBaron.............3laps/anti........70kg......58:20......Jan
AmateurDC.....................3 laps/anti.......88kg......58:45......Mar
Shane p..........................3laps/anti........64Kg......58:45......Feb
MatHammond..................3laps/Anti.......84kg......58.50......Feb
Damo...............................3laps/Anti.......??kg......59.25......Mar
rolo tumazi......................3laps/anti..........faah*.....59:25.....Apr
Toks................................3laps/Anti.......73kg......61.00.....Jan
Gradiric...........................2Cloc/1Anti.....75kg......63.14.....Feb
Les shaw.........................3laps/Anti..... 66kg......63:47[audax bike].....Apr
Statts...............................3laps/Anti.......72kg......64.10.....Mar
Guinea............................3laps/anti........84kg......64:17......Apr
Christ-on-a-bike!.............3laps/Anti.......78kg......64:30.....Feb
toontra............................3laps/Anti........75kg......65.42.....Feb
Onehipwonder................3laps/anti........84kg......65.97......Mar
Hobbes...........................3laps/anti........95kg......66.00......Mar
KMahony ........... ....... ...3laps/Anti........98kg......66:31.......Feb
London-Red.............. ....3laps/Clock.....84kg......68.20.......Feb
bikecarbike.....................3laps/anti........100kg....71:30......Jan
Greenbank......................3laps/anti.......78kg......72:32......Feb
The Emu..........................3laps/Anti.......88kg......73.28.....Apr
Wackyjack......................3 laps/Anti......92kg......79.15......Apr0 -
Guinea: awesome. Sub-one hour here we come.FCN 2-4.
"What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
"It stays down, Daddy."
"Exactly."0 -
"After a thorough test a couldn't find any problems. More traffic, dozy deer, further wheel screeching and my own paranoia continue to slow me down even further so I was left with a 3 lap time of 59.30 mins. Booo! didn't even make top 10" http://theademerckx2008racingfiles.blogspot.com/"
Name............................Anti or Clock......Weight....Time.......Month AndrewBye....................3laps/anti........75kg......52:07......Feb
KingstonWheeler............3laps/anti........67kg......53:52......Feb
seabadger......................3 laps/anti.......78kg......54:01......Mar
CJ...................................3laps/anti........80kg......57:50......Mar
RedGreenBaron.............3laps/anti........70kg......58:20......Jan
AmateurDC.....................3 laps/anti.......88kg......58:45......Mar
Shane p..........................3laps/anti........64Kg......58:45......Feb
MatHammond..................3laps/Anti.......84kg......58.50......Feb
Damo...............................3laps/Anti.......??kg......59.25......Mar
rolo tumazi......................3laps/anti..........faah*.....59:25.....Apr
Toks................................3laps/Anti.......73kg......59.30.....April
Gradiric...........................2Cloc/1Anti.....75kg......63.14.....Feb
Les shaw.........................3laps/Anti..... 66kg......63:47[audax bike].....Apr
Statts...............................3laps/Anti.......72kg......64.10.....Mar
Guinea............................3laps/anti........84kg......64:17......Apr
Christ-on-a-bike!.............3laps/Anti.......78kg......64:30.....Feb
toontra............................3laps/Anti........75kg......65.42.....Feb
Onehipwonder................3laps/anti........84kg......65.97......Mar
Hobbes...........................3laps/anti........95kg......66.00......Mar
KMahony ........... ....... ...3laps/Anti........98kg......66:31.......Feb
London-Red.............. ....3laps/Clock.....84kg......68.20.......Feb
bikecarbike.....................3laps/anti........100kg....71:30......Jan
Greenbank......................3laps/anti.......78kg......72:32......Feb
The Emu..........................3laps/Anti.......88kg......73.28.....Apr
Wackyjack......................3 laps/Anti......92kg......79.15......Apr[/quote]0 -
Just knocked almost 4 minutes off my previous best - well pleased. Put it down to: fairly light wind today, no traffic holdups, a new (lighter) bike, losing 12lb of body weight, but especially doing power training intervals in the gym - they really seem to help with the hills. The magical 1 hour is within sight!
Name............................Anti or Clock......Weight....Time.......Month
AndrewBye....................3laps/anti........75kg......52:07......Feb
KingstonWheeler............3laps/anti........67kg......53:52......Feb
seabadger......................3 laps/anti.......78kg......54:01......Mar
CJ...................................3laps/anti........80kg......57:50......Mar
RedGreenBaron.............3laps/anti........70kg......58:20......Jan
AmateurDC.....................3 laps/anti.......88kg......58:45......Mar
Shane p..........................3laps/anti........64Kg......58:45......Feb
MatHammond..................3laps/Anti.......84kg......58.50......Feb
Damo...............................3laps/Anti.......??kg......59.25......Mar
rolo tumazi......................3laps/anti..........faah*.....59:25.....Apr
Toks................................3laps/Anti.......73kg......59.30.....April
toontra............................3laps/Anti........71kg......62.16.....April
Gradiric...........................2Cloc/1Anti.....75kg......63.14.....Feb
Les shaw.........................3laps/Anti..... 66kg......63:47[audax bike].....Apr
Statts...............................3laps/Anti.......72kg......64.10.....Mar
Guinea............................3laps/anti........84kg......64:17......Apr
Christ-on-a-bike!.............3laps/Anti.......78kg......64:30.....Feb
Onehipwonder................3laps/anti........84kg......65.97......Mar
Hobbes...........................3laps/anti........95kg......66.00......Mar
KMahony ........... ....... ...3laps/Anti........98kg......66:31.......Feb
London-Red.............. ....3laps/Clock.....84kg......68.20.......Feb
bikecarbike.....................3laps/anti........100kg....71:30......Jan
Greenbank......................3laps/anti.......78kg......72:32......Feb
The Emu..........................3laps/Anti.......88kg......73.28.....Apr
Wackyjack......................3 laps/Anti......92kg......79.15......Apr
a serious case of small cogs0 -
Hey Fantastic effort Tontra. Yes indeed you'll soon be able to call it an 'hour of power' 0
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Going for 54 minutes tomorrow in my third 3 lap challenge lol. I have not done it for a week and a bit now so I'm pretty nervous. If I can manage it I'll try and get sub 50 before I turn 19.0
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The emu wrote:Thanks RedGreenBaron for the offer.
I'm actually in W14 (Near Olympia) but still neighbours I guess.
Hi again emu.
You're going to have lots of fun seeing your time plunge. I'm a bit jealous - went out today in lovely conditions, though with one hand metaphorically tied behind my back since I'm not meant to be killing myself (marathon on sunday), and reckon that even if I'd stayed for 3 laps I would only have matched my previous best.
I hadn't checked the site, so I hadn't seen your post about daytime cycles. I'll try to pm you.
By the way, speed trap today at the bottom of the hill that guinea mentioned overtaking cars at 30!
Bye for now
Nick0 -
I was out there this evening on my TT bike and with nice weather and light traffic I was going round quite nicely.
Unfortunately on my first lap as I went over the speed bump coming down from richmond gate towards ham dip I jolted the tribars pretty hard and they became dislodged meaning I had to stop and repair it (thanks to some kind triathletes from ful-on-tri who provided the allen key required for said repairs). Because of this haven't been able to improve on my time again (just yet)0 -
AndrewBye wrote:I was out there this evening on my TT bike and with nice weather and light traffic I was going round quite nicely.
Hi Andrew, how much quicker do you go on the TT bike or tri-bars vs normal setup?
thanks
Everyone's times are dropping like crazy. I should be there this evening. Good conditions, but I'm a bit tired. (that's the excuse if I need it)0 -
Just put in another 62.18 - no quicker than Tuesday but at least consistent. The forecast said 5mph SW but it felt more like 10mph going up Sawyers Hill. IMO the best wind direction is a light nor-easterly. I'll be keeping an eye out for favourable conditions to try for the "power hour".
a serious case of small cogs0 -
I did three laps last night. The first was a 21:03 which inspired me to go faster but the second was a 21:42 and the last far slower again so I missed a new PB.
Disaster nearly occured when I tried to leave around 9pm and found I was locked in! Luckily a London Dynamo rider on the other side helped me get the bike over the gate. Thanks very much mate.
The weather looks pretty crappy for the rest of the week, so I will probably go out tonight for a quick lap, or six.
We should come up with a signal so we know each other as we pass.
A couple of guys flew past me yesterday, one with a rear disc. I was doing a fairly healthy 21mph and made me look thoroughly pedestrian. I've still a long way to go. The Dynamo rider suggested I go along to one of their sunday rides, but I'm a bit worried that I will not be able to keep up.0 -
You'll recognise me, I'll be the only one wearing the lairy purple SouthAustralia.com outfit and my lungs blowing out the big ones with my face the same shade of colour! :oops:
Unforuntately my only kit until next pay day.
Think I'm going to give first thing tommorrow morning a run, tends to be very little wind first thing. What time do they open the gates in the morning?
The long grazed legged one0
See you the other side of 1 hour 
