Rasmussen out
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Cyclo2000 wrote:Bag o sh*te.
Now we have a leader and easily the best rider expelled for no reason.
Lets just hope the most juiced up rider in Tour history(the chappy in the white who has "come good" just in time for the TdF) doesn't win.
And you dont think Rasmussen was juiced up in his preparation for the Tour. Just what was he doing when he missed them 4 tests and was in Italy when he said he was in Mexico then?Cyclo2000 wrote:The organisers seem to be determined to hand the race to Evans, even although he's looked like a donkey amongst thoroughbreds
You mean because he was probably the clean one (donkey) among drugged up riders (thoroughbreds)?0 -
No, I mean he's a donkey who can't attack and climbs badly compared with this years moral winner, one Michael Rasmussen.
the chap who steals the yellow under these circumstances is a knave and nothing more.Usquequaque in Ventus
Just once I would like to be called "Sir", without someone adding "You\'re making a scene".0 -
Cyclo2000 wrote:No, I mean he's a donkey who can't attack and climbs badly compared with this years moral winner, one Michael Rasmussen.
the chap who steals the yellow under these circumstances is a knave and nothing more.
What is moral about how Rasmussen has acted in the past month or two?
What is moral about lieing about his were abouts and his missed tests?
Evans has every right to win because if Rasmussen hadn't started the race which he shouldn't have then he would have won a Time trail stage and been just a few minutes back on the GC leader going into another time trial? How can you argue against that?0 -
Moose11 wrote:Cyclo2000 wrote:Bag o sh*te.
Now we have a leader and easily the best rider expelled for no reason.
Lets just hope the most juiced up rider in Tour history(the chappy in the white who has "come good" just in time for the TdF) doesn't win.
And you dont think Rasmussen was juiced up in his preparation for the Tour. Just what was he doing when he missed them 4 tests and was in Italy when he said he was in Mexico then?Cyclo2000 wrote:The organisers seem to be determined to hand the race to Evans, even although he's looked like a donkey amongst thoroughbreds
You mean because he was probably the clean one (donkey) among drugged up riders (thoroughbreds)?
rasmussen was preparing as throughly as Armstrong did with Ferrari and Hamilton did with Checchini ?
Agreee totally Rassmussen WAS the best riderAND was never posative ,, unlike Vino and moreni and sinketwicz, those LATER 2 riding for those pillars of goodnes T MOBILE ( ullrich, zabel, RiIS ) and Cofidis ( Miller et al )
These teams jumping on the bandwagon are SO hypocritical how could cofidis take a stance when it was going on under their nose,s .. and the less said about t mobiles much vaunted programme the better,, worked well that one Bob EH ?0 -
steveaguy130169 wrote:Moose11 wrote:Cyclo2000 wrote:Bag o sh*te.
Now we have a leader and easily the best rider expelled for no reason.
Lets just hope the most juiced up rider in Tour history(the chappy in the white who has "come good" just in time for the TdF) doesn't win.
And you dont think Rasmussen was juiced up in his preparation for the Tour. Just what was he doing when he missed them 4 tests and was in Italy when he said he was in Mexico then?Cyclo2000 wrote:The organisers seem to be determined to hand the race to Evans, even although he's looked like a donkey amongst thoroughbreds
You mean because he was probably the clean one (donkey) among drugged up riders (thoroughbreds)?
rasmussen was preparing as throughly as Armstrong did with Ferrari and Hamilton did with Checchini ?
Dont recall Armstrong missing 4 tests in a matter of months and then lying about his were abouts to his team? Rasmussen deserved to be fired from his team. I'd be fired from work if I lied.0 -
gotta agree with cyclo, the UCI have had him under investigation as they suspected him of doping, theyve tested him prior to the tour, every day during the tour and still he comes up clean.... What else can he do to prove hes innocent - in this sport it appears you cant prove yourself innocent
Even Millar and co said the report where you are thing was hopelessly out of date and needed overhauling.dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
Ex-Tour rider New Zealander Swart said that during the mid-90s when he was with Armstrong's Motorola team, he remembers a discussion about how the US team felt at a disadvantage to European teams and how at the end of the discussion, he understood the decision was - to start a medical programme using Epo in order to rectify the disadvantage and be more competitive during the Tour.bigdawg wrote:when they failed these tests were any of them riding for disco/USP??
To think that disco have some super secret doping programme that no one can detect is a bit stupid.
Ex-Armstrong colleague Andreu admitted to taking dope as part of his role as domestique in the late 90s. His admission was part of the court case between Andreu and Armstrong settled out of court, and during which other witnesses claimed to have heard Armstrong admit to taking Epo, testosterone, growth hormone and cortisone. (Andreu said there were two types of dope-takers, those like him in order to survive, and those who cheated for success, so rather like the difference between Moreni and Vino this year.)
Ex-Armstrong colleague Vaughters stated that, the Armstrong team still had an organised doping programme in 2005. He described some of the details in an online chat with Andreu (a transcript of which was published in L'Equipe about 9 months ago), for instance traditionally, blood was taken after the Dauphine Libere and given back to riders on rest days during the Tour. According to Vaughters, to organise the programme well, it was just a matter of finance and good organisation. (Discovery definitely had the first, and Bruyneel and Armstrong are both shrewd enough to have ensured the second.)0 -
Posted elsewhere but Ras was within the rules of the sport.
If you were sacked at work under the same or similar circumstances you'd have a damned good case for unfair dismissal.Usquequaque in Ventus
Just once I would like to be called "Sir", without someone adding "You\'re making a scene".0 -
Alfred JarryAndyGates wrote:It's Albert Jarry's Supermale coming true: super-doped riders doing superhuman things until they die in the peloton propped up by their teammates...
http://www.bikereader.com/contributors/ ... jarry.html0 -
bigdawg wrote:gotta agree with cyclo, the UCI have had him under investigation as they suspected him of doping, theyve tested him prior to the tour, every day during the tour and still he comes up clean.... What else can he do to prove hes innocent - in this sport it appears you cant prove yourself innocent
Even Millar and co said the report where you are thing was hopelessly out of date and needed overhauling.
Yes the UCI should never have let him start, but people need to understand the UCI didn't kick him out of the Tour, his team sacked him because he lied about his location on top of missing tests. They were right to do this.0 -
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and thats the problem, it all comes down to hearsay and speculation. Show me 100% hard proof and Ill believe it, in my job if I based everything on hearsay and rumour Id be sacked.
And why everytime someone tests positive are we bombarded with anti LA posts. The guy retired 2 years ago, why am I not reading about Lemond (who last week on air said its impossible to win a tour unless you use drugs) or indurain??
this was also in reply to about 4 posts back up there....!dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
Damn I'm slow today. Only found out 5 minutes ago that the chicken has been fried.
Wow!
Now that bastion of cleanliness, Discovery are going to pick up the pieces.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
Cyclo. You're only mad cos now you've lost your bet to Andy
Ras was sacked as he lied, just like Ulrich and Sevilla last year. They didn't test positive either.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
bigdawg wrote:gotta agree with cyclo, the UCI have had him under investigation as they suspected him of doping, theyve tested him prior to the tour, every day during the tour and still he comes up clean.... What else can he do to prove hes innocent - in this sport it appears you cant prove yourself innocent
Even Millar and co said the report where you are thing was hopelessly out of date and needed overhauling.
What else can he do to prove hes innocent ... well missing a few out of competition tests isn't a start, likewise lying about his whereabouts.
OK, he's passed 14 drug tests on the tour so far but I don't recall Basso failing any tests either in the Giro last year, or when riding earlier this year but it's clear with his Puerto invovlement that he doped and he's banned.
1,2 missed tests maybe but 4.0 -
Rasmussen seems not to know his arse from his elbow: last night confirming to his team that he was in Italy, now declaring to the press that he wasn't... the boy just can't get his stories straight!0
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now more of this is coming out it appears that the italy story is the word of one italian journalist. If ras' passport puts him in Mexico on those dates there could be a few red faces in a month or so, and a hefty lawsuit to boot.
I cant help feeling that rabobank were put under huge pressure by pruudholm and (spit) mcquaid and this was just an excuse to get rid of him to make up for the cock up of letting him race in the first place.
If however his passport isnt forthcoming.................BURN THE WITCH.... :shock:dont knock on death\'s door.....
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Davide Cassani makes a lot of TV films for RAI and DVDs published by la Gazetta about Giro stages and the famous climbs in the Alps and Dolomites. Well respected, sort of a Phil Liggett character on Italian TV. It appears he accidently encountered Ras during one of these trips and its possible Ras had no idea who he was.
Surely all Ras has to do is show us his pasport with the relevant Mexican entry & exit visa stamps in it?...0 -
according to the cycling news live-feed, rabobank are saying that when confronted last night he confirmed to them that he had indeed been in Italy...
given the risk of a wrongful dismissal case, and that Rabobank have thrown away their best chance of a GT victory, I can't believe that they would have taken the decision lightly... if Rasmussen had vigourously denied it and been able provide proof then they surely wouldn't have fired him??? Maybe he has since confessing to his team Rasmussen has realised what all this means for his career and is rapidly backtracking?0 -
fair dos, didnt realise he realy was as stupid as I was hoping he wasnt... :?
Ok proceed........BURN THE WITCH
dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
This is all a shame. It will be a hollow victory for whoever wins now. Because of all the uncertainty surrounding Ras, it was probably the right call. However, Ras has always looked like a potential winner anyway so it was no surprise to me that he was the likely winner this year. I do believe that he has been stupid, but he has never failed a dope test and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I would like to see him return next year, without any baggage and with another team and redeem himself with an uncontroversial win.0
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Interesting interview with Evans regarding Rasmussen's performances and rise to fame:
http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/arti ... ange-117620 -
It's not likely any team will want to be associated with him – a kind of victory for the anti-doping culture, even if he hasn't failed a test and is "guilty" only on suspiscion, it sets an example to others.davecooper wrote:This is all a shame. It will be a hollow victory for whoever wins now. Because of all the uncertainty surrounding Ras, it was probably the right call. However, Ras has always looked like a potential winner anyway so it was no surprise to me that he was the likely winner this year. I do believe that he has been stupid, but he has never failed a dope test and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I would like to see him return next year, without any baggage and with another team and redeem himself with an uncontroversial win.
Quote from Rasmussen: "I have understood that my career by now is ruined. I do not have the least idea of what to do and where to go. It is one enormous wound. My team manager has not explained to me what has pushed them to remove to me from the Tour."0 -
My post above was in answer to your (what-I-think-ridiculous) statement,bigdawg wrote:And why everytime someone tests positive are we bombarded with anti LA posts. The guy retired 2 years ago, why am I not reading about Lemond (who last week on air said its impossible to win a tour unless you use drugs) or indurain??
this was also in reply to about 4 posts back up there....!
To think that Disco have some super secret doping programme that no one can detect is a bit stupid.
I was trying to point out that that's exactly what they did have. That it turns out to appear anti-LA is inevitable when LA was the initiator.
I don't think it was Lemond who said it's impossible to win a tour unless you use drugs, but Anquetil.
What I do know is that Armstrong threatened Lemond with 'I could find 10 people that will say you took EPO', which I think was tantamount to saying 'I could pay 10 people that will say you took EPO'.
Indurain rise to success was suspicious and some believe due to Epo, but the one time he was caught it was for using a stimulant (not Epo), he was excused for some reason. However, Indurain's attitude (and past behaviour) is still reflected in his statements over the last couple of years. He's said the lines are drawn too tight - i.e. he thinks some substances now forbidden should be allowed.0 -
Cassani is an ex-professional Tour rider, turned TV reporter. For an interim period he was manager of Mercatone when Pantani was in his last years and struggling to make his comeback. Cassani was already Pantani's long-term friend and then tried to also be his mentor, attempting to wean Pantani off drugs, both on the bike and off it.ricadus wrote:Davide Cassani makes a lot of TV films for RAI and DVDs published by la Gazetta about Giro stages and the famous climbs in the Alps and Dolomites. Well respected, sort of a Phil Liggett character on Italian TV. It appears he accidently encountered Ras during one of these trips and its possible Ras had no idea who he was.
It may have been that Cassani purposely decided to report Rasmussen, feeling him guilty even if not 100% proven, because Cassani has a pretty strong anti-doping stance, especially since Pantani took the overdose and also because Cassani organises a 'school' for young (9-14 years old) cyclists.
Rabobank probably welcomed Cassani's information because they undoubtedly must have felt under pressure to get rid of Rasmussen, and Cassani gave them the chance.
There is an early-season Gran Fondo in Emilia Romagna named after Cassani and he's tipped to become the next Italian national team manger.0 -
knedlicky wrote:[I don't think it was Lemond who said it's impossible to win a tour unless you use drugs, but Anquetil..
no definately lemond, unles anquetil was guest comentator on eurosport last week... :?dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
yebbutt..what about airline records?<hr>
<h6>What\'s the point of going out? We\'re just going to end up back here anyway</h6>0 -
Airline tickets, records, etc. etc. If he provides all that then he's got a case, if he doesn't he's guilty as sin. Will he come forward with this stuff?0
