Rasmussen out
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Damn!!! Its going crazy!!! I wonder what we'll hear tomorrow."You can plan for the life you're supposed to have, but when you try to make plans, God is known to laugh"
Talib Kweli - Broken Glass [The Beautiful Struggle]0 -
another story on the l'equipe site confirms that the reason was that he was seen training in Italy in the time when he was supposedly in mexico.0
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yeah they should continue.
So hes lied to everyone when he said hes been in mexico, when he was probably at some dodgy doctors house!0 -
ajohn9 wrote:apparently when he said he was in mexico, he was seen training in italy
One of the'Men in Black'. Looks like his memory got wiped,selectively. Imgine being someone like Boogerd who has put all that work in (and Wiggins), only to see it get flushed away.Apparently it'sonly Rasmussen who has been withdrawn and the rest of the squad can carry on.M.Rushton0 -
they deserve no credit. they knew about his previous missed tests and let it drag on until a few stages before he wins the race before biting the bullet. poor management, regrardless of what rasmussen has or hasnt done.0
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How must a young guy like Thomas Dekker, who has worked his nuts off for Rasmussen, be feeling right now? I feel sorry for the kid - shame!0
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Rob4 wrote:they deserve no credit. they knew about his previous missed tests and let it drag on until a few stages before he wins the race before biting the bullet. poor management, regrardless of what rasmussen has or hasnt done.
Come on you gotta put yourself in their shoess, they probably had to investigate any claims about his lieing. Besides it was always going to bring them bad bad press pulling him out and they were probably caught in the catch 22 and wondering what to do. In hindsight they shouldn't have even let him start but better late than never, they could have left him in there and hoped it all passed.0 -
they knew about his missed tests, but his reasons seemed somewhat legitimate, and he had 2 out of 3 warnings. However now, he lied as to why he missed the tests.0
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Yes, Bravo Rabobank on this one....more news on the beeb website
...However, Rabobank have since discovered that Rasmussen lied to them over where and what he was up to during the month of June when he was in fact in Italy and not in Mexico as he had told them.
"Michael Rasmussen has been sent home for violating the team's internal rules," said Rabobank spokesman Jacob Bergsma.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/6916698.stm0 -
Who gives a fuck what Dave says he took drugs before !!ajohn9 wrote:Hopefully!
i wonder what dave will have to say about all this?!0 -
yeah, i just like his funny comments!!0
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oldwelshman wrote:
Who gives a fark what Dave says he took drugs before !!ajohn9 wrote:Hopefully!
i wonder what dave will have to say about all this?!
Always like to see a well considered opinion .0 -
mrushton wrote:afx237vi wrote:Short odds on Contador refusing to wear the MJ tomorrow. BTW, was it just me that noticed Rasmussen seemed to have a thick lip when he was giving his winners interview today? Maybe Millar nutted him.
He was stung by a bee apparently on one of the descents.
That'll be his positive BEE sample then...
When Ligget was droning on (geddit) about Rass'n shooing away the camera bikes, he was actually under insect attack.
I'll get my coat...0 -
Given Millars hearfelt, intelligent, common sense, been-there-understand-it-made-a-mistake-don't-condone-it-want-to-make -a-difference attitude and his (I think) genuine concern for younger riders avoiding his errors I'm prepared to cut him plenty of slack. We need him right now to counterbalance the totally inept UCI.
As for Rasmussen, good. you couldn't watch his press conference and subsequent Q&A without deciding he's a liability.0 -
The worst thing about all this is its wreaking havoc with my fantasy Tour de France team.0
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Cycling has been storing this up for itself since 1998. They are getting what they deserve, and what they have and are creating for themselves.0
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It's Albert Jarry's Supermale coming true: super-doped riders doing superhuman things until they die in the peloton propped up by their teammates...Wanted: Penny farthing. Please PM me!
Advice for kilted riders: top-tubes are cold.0 -
skavanagh.bikeradar wrote:Given Millars hearfelt, intelligent, common sense, been-there-understand-it-made-a-mistake-don't-condone-it-want-to-make -a-difference attitude and his (I think) genuine concern for younger riders avoiding his errors I'm prepared to cut him plenty of slack. We need him right now to counterbalance the totally inept UCI.
As for Rasmussen, good. you couldn't watch his press conference and subsequent Q&A without deciding he's a liability.
Heartfelt atitude my arse, he took epo, was not forced to take it. He is only showing such concern because if he did not he would not have a job!!!
If he was not British no one would even listen to his views.
I would have more respect for him if he held same views after quitiing cycling to work with youngsters with drug problems rather than continuing in pro cycling.0 -
u really dont like him eh?!
at least he admitted to it, not like most of them!
Hes a nice guy is dave, hes turned it around and proved you can win clean0 -
No just dont like cheatsajohn9 wrote:u really dont like him eh?!
at least he admitted to it, not like most of them!
Hes a nice guy is dave, hes turned it around and proved you can win clean
He may be a nice guy but he still cheated.
How do you know he has won clean bythe way 0 -
not tested positive since he came back!
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oldwelshman wrote:How do you know he has won clean bythe way
I reckon he was clean when he won a High Wycombe CC Evenening League 10 one August Tuesday last year. Course record too 0 -
OldWelshMan, I had no sympathy for Millar whatsoever, but much of what he has said since has made me slowly change my mind and his interiews yesterday (Tuesday) has confirmed it - he's passionate about his sport and it's survival. That's worth something. I know what you are saying, it used to bug me but I'd rather Millar than Ulrich, or Basso, or Landis or Heras or Hondo or, or, or, or, or, or..........
Look, I'm sure we both care about the future of pro-cycling and the debate about whether we have the same view on Millar is a side-show. The real issue is the state of the pro peleton and the question of who is prepared to do what to sort it out. The UCI has gone missing this week (what a shock) and ASO haven't. I'm on the side of anyone trying to improve things.
FYI I was on the hairpin on the Circuit of the Costwolds etching names of friends on the road, waiting for 3 hours and not seeing any of them (and dragging the wife along). I'm interested in cycling for the sake of it.0 -
skavanagh.bikeradar wrote:OldWelshMan, I had no sympathy for Millar whatsoever, but much of what he has said since has made me slowly change my mind and his interiews yesterday (Tuesday) has confirmed it - he's passionate about his sport and it's survival. That's worth something. I know what you are saying, it used to bug me but I'd rather Millar than Ulrich, or Basso, or Landis or Heras or Hondo or, or, or, or, or, or..........
Look, I'm sure we both care about the future of pro-cycling and the debate about whether we have the same view on Millar is a side-show. The real issue is the state of the pro peleton and the question of who is prepared to do what to sort it out. The UCI has gone missing this week (what a shock) and ASO haven't. I'm on the side of anyone trying to improve things.
FYI I was on the hairpin on the Circuit of the Costwolds etching names of friends on the road, waiting for 3 hours and not seeing any of them (and dragging the wife along). I'm interested in cycling for the sake of it.
You might have seen me fighting my way up cleeve hill I made it and ended up with 2nd fastes time, not bad for a 46 yearold who started back in November afetr 23 years off, and I was clean 0 -
By the way, your friends may have taken the short route turning 8)0
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One thing I dont understand about today is wht did rabobank wait until the end of stage to sack rasmusson?
I feel sorry for his team mates who worked their bollocks off all stage for him with no help from other teams they kept him in touch right from the start.0 -
oldwelshman wrote:
No just dont like cheatsajohn9 wrote:u really dont like him eh?!
at least he admitted to it, not like most of them!
Hes a nice guy is dave, hes turned it around and proved you can win clean
He may be a nice guy but he still cheated.
How do you know he has won clean bythe way
IMO, if Pro-Cycling's to be turned around, we need folk like Millar. I for one know that I've made stupid mistakes & learned from them. Can you honestly say that you haven't? One strike & you're out is more than a wee bit harsh isn't it?
Surely if you can learn from your mistakes & have paid the penalty, as well as put time and energy into helping others avoid making the same mistakes, this is a good thing? I know that drug work services would be in a very sorry state in the UK if your attitude was extended to them. (There's also endless evidence on the influence of peers being far greater than that of others in choices around substance use if you care to do some research. So it's likely that Millar's words will have thousands of times the impact than the entire voice of internet fora everywhere.) I want a clean TdF, so I support Millar. I think it's that simple0 -
We saw you OldWelshMan - the tatoos gave you away! In fact one took a wrong turn, off course, got a puncture, struggled back onto course and then did the short route as couldn't face long route. Of the other two, one came off on a descent after a dog ran out in front of him - cue 35mph crash and knackered carbon bike, tonnes of road rash, bruised bones. The third lost loads of time waiting with injured mate, wanted to pack but couldn't. Funnily enough he saw us as we left our hairpin but we didn't catch his pleas for a lift home (we are all local).0
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Richrd2205 wrote:oldwelshman wrote:
No just dont like cheatsajohn9 wrote:u really dont like him eh?!
at least he admitted to it, not like most of them!
Hes a nice guy is dave, hes turned it around and proved you can win clean
He may be a nice guy but he still cheated.
How do you know he has won clean bythe way
IMO, if Pro-Cycling's to be turned around, we need folk like Millar. I for one know that I've made stupid mistakes & learned from them. Can you honestly say that you haven't? One strike & you're out is more than a wee bit harsh isn't it?
Surely if you can learn from your mistakes & have paid the penalty, as well as put time and energy into helping others avoid making the same mistakes, this is a good thing? I know that drug work services would be in a very sorry state in the UK if your attitude was extended to them. (There's also endless evidence on the influence of peers being far greater than that of others in choices around substance use if you care to do some research. So it's likely that Millar's words will have thousands of times the impact than the entire voice of internet fora everywhere.) I want a clean TdF, so I support Millar. I think it's that simple
Ok I see your point to a certain extent, but on that basis if Basso,Ulrich , Hamilton and others all admitted taking EPO and then said they learnt from their mistake would you also welcome them all back to tour?
That is why I earlier suggested an amnesty with zero tolerance from then on.0 -
I wouldn't, no. But then they've all mounted massive, time consuming, life sucking lies about what they did. Millar for all his faults at least faces up to it. Alright, he only gave in when under police pressure and banged up for three days. Oh, bugger...what am I saying and why?0
