Vino tested positive for blood doping
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Surely those hoping Contador is the great 'clean' hope are not speaking about the same Contador who was linked with Fuentes (although he did deny treating him I suppose) and rode with Liberty Seguros and Astana before he moved to Discovery?
his twin perhaps?0 -
jjones wrote:Another possibility is that he meant to use his own blood but got the wrong bag by mistake.
In which case he's lucky to be alive. Unless the whole team has the same blood type.John Stevenson0 -
I don't rob banks because I won't get away with it, neither do I commit murder for the same reason so why do 'professional' cyclist dope? they must realise that there is stringent drug testing. Let's forget this two year ban. Anyone found doping should be banned immediately and sine die with no exceptions!0
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red_tom wrote:Classic text from my wife -
omg. Team Borat are out.
And there's the explanation for 'why would Vino be so stupid?'
"We not do well in Tour de France, we be execute!"John Stevenson0 -
That was one of Dan's blogs:SteveR_100Milers wrote:Same argument from the Francais de jeux team manager (cant remember his name but was reported on this sites news). I'm not at all surprised thia has happened, the difference in Vino's performances are way beyond a normal "good" and "bad" day. Jeff was it you that did the piece on rasmussen and the analysis of his average TT placing and average TT loss in minutes per Km over the winner. His TT last week as almost and order of magnitude improvement. Let's see if he is as good a flat course, where the form book should dictate he will not place highly.
http://www.bikeradar.com/blogs/article/why-the-yellow-jersey-should-be-banned-11694Jeff Jones
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Just what we all need, excellent first entry to todays live coverage ........."after an uneventful rest day in the Pyrenees where only one team was booted out ".....!!!!
A comment worthy of Imlach himself !0 -
So stupid Words fail me - almost0
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mr_hippo wrote:I don't rob banks because I won't get away with it, neither do I commit murder for the same reason so why do 'professional' cyclist dope? they must realise that there is stringent drug testing. Let's forget this two year ban. Anyone found doping should be banned immediately and sine die with no exceptions!
Mr Hippo - You don't rob or murder because you won't get away with it? Remind me never to invite you to my house. I would hope the reason you don't do those things is because they're WRONG rather than not being able to get away with it? Surely?
Stringent drug testing? Are you kidding? You only get caught if you're unlucky or stupid at the moment.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
mr_hippo wrote:I don't rob banks because I won't get away with it, neither do I commit murder for the same reason so why do 'professional' cyclist dope? they must realise that there is stringent drug testing. Let's forget this two year ban. Anyone found doping should be banned immediately and sine die with no exceptions!
Well, blood doping with your OWN blood is pretty hard to spot. So there's a reasonable chance that Vino was doping with what he thought was his own blood, but which had got mixed up.
Which opens up all sorts of speculation as to whose blood it actually was. DNA tests anyone?
As for the morality of it, it's a big-bucks job. Professional sport isn't quite the same as the noble amateur game.Wanted: Penny farthing. Please PM me!
Advice for kilted riders: top-tubes are cold.0 -
Thanks for the link to the Millar video aarw. That gives me some hope. Millar knows the score, he's been there, done that. As he says 'the more intelligent' riders who have been caught out but want to do something about cleaning the sport up should be given a place at the table. People like Vebruggen should be shamed and excommunicated along with the managers of teams that have been embroiled in scandal.
On the same page as the link to Millars impromtu interview is Rasmussen's press conference. If you believe him you'll believe anything.0 -
From an interview a couple of weeks ago on cyclingnews.com:
And the Kazakh government will continue to support the team. :?For the youngsters of Kazakhstan - a country where a rumoured 250,000 of the 15 million population are drug addicts - the example of Vino and Andrey Kashechkin is designed to be inspirational. "Many boys and girls will jump into cycling, they will stay away from drugs and bars and they will have something to devote their lives to," Idrissov said in the interview. "The message will be that they can also achieve success like this. And the government can support this message by building modern facilities for them."
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When I heard the news about Vino I was shocked. Which is frankly a bit surprising given the steady stream of doping scandals that accompany each and every major stage race nowadays.
When I watched him blow away the rest of of the bunch on Monday (and that after a terrible previous day) I couldn't help being reminded of Floyd Landis' miraculous 'comeback' last year, but I decided that maybe, just maybe, it was down to his sheer bloody-minded determination not to be disgraced.
I was wrong. Turns out it came down to his inability to accept defeat in the GC and his complete preparedness to sacrifice the entire sport on the altar of his own vanity. Shame on him and on all those riders who cheat...and continue to cheat.
The time has come for any rider caught doping to be banned for life. Everyone knows that it's against the rules and is destroying a sport with a wonderful and unique heritage.
Vino must have also been tested after Monday's stage win. When are those results due?0 -
I cannae believe anyone's surprised that Vino doped!
I mean c'mon, you can't just do that without a boost. I think he's thought "Fek it, I'm oot anyways, lets go out with a bang. Sod 'em".
Also, isn't it just possible that Ras was training in black cos he's been concentrating on the TTs and didn't want his rivals to know?
We need to take the positive view here and defend it against our detracters. Our sport catches the cheats and punishes them. Others (football, tennis, golf) don't even have out of season testing!Usquequaque in Ventus
Just once I would like to be called "Sir", without someone adding "You\'re making a scene".0 -
I'm surprised that he would be stupid enough to use someone else's blood to dope with as that would easily be detected in a test.
If he wasn't stupid enough and accidentally used someone else's blood he was lucky that the other person was the same blood group as him or he could be dead now.
Either way he has totally f*cked pro-cycling now. Who in there right mind would want their brand to be associated with it?<a><img></a>0 -
Wake up and smell the coffee.brad68 wrote:andyp wrote:I bet Rasmussen is delighted - that takes the heat off him for a few days.
Timoid - you forget to include a certain American who dominated the Tour for a bit. He was a client of Dr Ferrari's too, no? Just like Vino.
Did Lance ever have a test come back positive?
It astonishes me that so many people continue to believe that Armstrong was clean. Look at the evidence. Sure most of it is circumstantial but it's pretty clear that there is no smoke without fire.
You just have to look at the way his team rode on the front day after day after day without ever seeming to tire to realise something wasn't quite as it should be.
Also remind me who his trainer was? That's right, Dr Michele Ferrari. The man Richard Virenque wouldn't go to because using him was tantamount to admitting to doping.
Factor in Armstrong's astonishingly aggressive attitude to anyone who dared doubt, i.e. Bassons, Simeoni, Walsh and Ballester, Andreu and it all adds up to a man with something to hide.0 -
andyp wrote:It astonishes me that so many people continue to believe that Armstrong was clean. Look at the evidence.
The evidence clearly suggests he was clean though as the evidence of a drugs test never came back positive.
As for the rest of your post, it's competely fair why some people would be skeptical indeed.0 -
Scepticism will be enough to kill the sport, especially when it is mixed in with an unhealthy dose of positive tests of other well known riders.<a><img></a>0
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PeteinSQ wrote:Scepticism will be enough to kill the sport, especially when it is mixed in with an unhealthy dose of positive tests of other well known riders.
Cant disagree with that.0 -
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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I love his explanation, its even more implausible than Tyler Hamilton's.<a><img></a>0
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PeteinSQ wrote:I'm surprised that he would be stupid enough to use someone else's blood to dope with as that would easily be detected in a test.
If he wasn't stupid enough and accidentally used someone else's blood he was lucky that the other person was the same blood group as him or he could be dead now.
Either way he has totally f*cked pro-cycling now. Who in there right mind would want their brand to be associated with it?
The clue may be in the Puerto findings. Probably blood was kept with code numbers so that riders could not be identified if it was found on anyone. This would clearly require an accurate and foolproof bookkeeping system to go with it but still needed to remain secret. Not hard to see how accidents can happen here. A lot of cross-checking procedures are in place in hospitals to ensure people get the right blood without any secret codes or concealed labelling. Possibly they had the facility or labelling to confirm blood type to prevent fatal accidents but not much more.
Whichever way you look at it it's sad news for cycling. It all looked too good to be true - and it was I\'m sure I had one of those here somewhere0 -
That's superb. Too much blood in his thighs. You couldn't make this shit up could you? :roll:iainf72 wrote:0 -
Well you would have to.
"I had so much blood in my thighs that the cell surface proteins morphed".
Doesn't sound like it came from any textbook I ever read.<a><img></a>0 -
PeteinSQ wrote:Well you would have to.
"I had so much blood in my thighs that the cell surface proteins morphed".
Doesn't sound like it came from any textbook I ever read.
Someone clearly swapped your textbooks for the real ones.
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Personally I think some of the people on here and their opinions is the same mentality that lets doping continue.
Vino gets busted and already we're in a debate about LA, for gods sake he retired 2 years ago, the only reason people want him to be found guilt is so they can say I told you so. For someone like me who also had cancer in 1997/98 that guy is the reason I got back on a bike and started racing again, and I am one of thousands, hes inspired more people to do something with their lives than yuo could ever imagine.
Anyone who thought vinos amazing 2 rides were anything other than drug induced is kidding themselves. One day he couldnt even pedal a bike without help, two days later hes winnig stages. As soon as the time trial result came in I knew what hed done. It was his choice he now has to pay the price - Dr Ferrari did not tie him to a chair and inject him with blood, was ferrari even at the tour over the weekend?? Unfortunately while he still holds the mantle of one of the worlds best coaches, and unless the UCI actually extract their heads from their own butts and do something about him, he will continue to assist the riders.
Kimmage - why the hell is anyone slagging him off - yes he doped, he admitted it, and tried to bring it out to public attention - what does the cycling community do - slag him off and dismiss everything he says as a bitter loser. WTF - open your eyes, anyone who has a go at the guy is as bad as any doper, just ignore it and it might go away - WAKE UP!!! Festina, supposedly a turning point to a clean era, Fuentes another turning point, this years tour, the cleanest ever, weve turned so many corners we've gone full circle and ended up back where we started. Given the chance Im sure certian riders will stage a protest (as did Anquetil in 66) that doping is illegal.
At the moment the sport is in its worst hour its down to the guys at the top to stop counting their salary and slagging off riders that havent tested positive (ras has had 14 clear tests this tour) and actually do something about it instead of drawing up stupid charters that they're not even going uphold.
If anyones still with me at this point well done, thats a lot of words!
Every mornong for the last two weeks Ive come down turned on the BBC and during their main breakfast show had the cycling with the normal sports results, the BBC, in the UK this was a massive step forward for cycling, Icant help feeling now its taken 7 steps backwards.
........and breathe........dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
Vino has tested positive for Monday's stage too.
Not surprising,
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jibi wrote:Vino has tested positive for Monday's stage too.
Not surprising,
george
Good. It would've been awful if they'd been inconsistent!
Bye, bye Vino!! We don't want you here anymore stealing wins and prizes from the likes of Wiggins who deserved 2nd in the TT on Saturday if it wasn't for your cheating team!
Rule No.10 // It never gets easier, you just go faster0 -
Bah, there was a small part of me that hoped Vino might of come clean so to speak rather than join Landis, Hamilton et al.
Prat.0 -
I'm astonished that people are surprised by this news. Surely nothing could be more obvious than that Astana was systematically doping. I can't believe even David Millar is surprised! Its hardly as if Astana even tried to pretend they weren't the dodgiest team around.
The only real question in my mind about the remaining top GC men is Cadel Evans. Can he be clean? He was also at T-mobile but was clearly disgruntled there. I also tend to trust the Aussies a bit although Rogers worked with Ferrari. Can't say I like Evans much but he could be the best of the clean.
Discovery riders I don't trust and Contador seems to good to be true - always strikes me that Discovery are just far better organised than the teams that get caught. Rasmussen, well, no need to say much there...
Makes Bradley Wiggins place in that timetrial look very very impressive.
You also wonder whether whats happened to Moreau is what would have happened to all the riders if they weren't doping0
