This whole RLJ thing

FatBlokeFromFelixstowe · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by tstegers

Theo Stegers, deluded, assumptive, inaccurate, reckless.
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Says it all really.

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dondare · June 2007

The simple fact is that you think you're too high and mighty to bother with petty laws, rules, codes or conventions, so you try to justify it with this safety argument. Just learn to ride your bike properly.

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Mister Paul · June 2007

Theo, you're talking nonsense.

I'm struggling to work out whether you don't have the capacity to understand figures and research, or whether you know that you're clutching at straws that don't exist but hope that everyone is dumb enough not to see the bleedin' obvious. Well we do Theo.

RLJ if you like. But don't try to pretend that you're purely doing it for safety. Be a man Theo.

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Mister Paul
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Nope. They are examples. You know full well that a good many of your claimed 130 figure include such examples. I don't know who you are trying to kid Theo. That research has been read by many people on here, and is freely available to anyone else.
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If it was not safer to jump than to comply you would expect at least a third of the total killed when complying to be killed while jumping. This on the most generous measure of the numbers who jump vs the numbers who comply. What do we have by your count? About 100: 0. I'll settle for that. For that matter I will settle for Jenny Jones's count too. Wasn't that 25 killed while "waiting" 1999-2004? For the nth time please explain the nil. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

You still don't get it do you? Did you go to school? It's not about complying or not Theo. Read the research. Read the notes. Show us which of the incidents were about complying or not. Many of the incidents clearly had nothing to do with complying with lights. These can be discounted immediately from your claimed figure, but you still refuse to. The others require further investigation. Which you haven't done. You've got no evidence to back up your claims. The only evidence you've provided is a document which we can all see doesn't support your claims and which you unbelievably still claim does, and a load of "well <insert name here> agrees with me".
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by tstegers

The truth is that the six that I am aware of who have been killed at lights since late December last are probably representative. I have not seen one of them described as incompetent or inexperienced. Quite the reverse in the four cases among this group that I saw described. Spare me the "excited" description by the way, it's deluded, assumptive, inaccurate.
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A concession! Wonderful! Your 130:0 has now come down to 6:0. Now we're getting somewhere. All we have to do now is get more information on exactly what happened, and what could have been done to avoid it.

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dondare · June 2007

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That's Dondare you pusillanimous little turd. Fixed.

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ddddddare.not! "pusillanimus little turd", I take it you mean pusillanimous. I'm not too familiar with the word, I had to look it up. OED: Timid, lacking courage. While I had the dictionary to hand I also looked up turd. I thought I was familiar here - but just in case. Turd: a ball of excrement.

So I am a timid excrement baller. Hm... But I have repeatedly irritated you and you have repeatedly made yourself look foolish. I am thinking here of the fact you are apparently cowed by rhetorical questions from drivers and acquaintances concerning cyclists who jump lights, ride up one way streets and on pavements. These questions never arise from my acquaintances. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I'm sure they're very careful never to raise the subject with you.<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">

Not to mention your silly claims that accidents do not happen at red lights. And the curious question in your penultimate post to this thread, asking about the ratio of people fined jumping reds to people fined going through greens. Eh?? Then we have the self aggrandising claims to writing "excellent" letters to The Standard.

So if I am a timid excrement baller what does that make someone who is showing signs of obsession with the same? A subordinate/junior excrement baller?

Please remember after balling up your excrement to wash your hands. And please while you are at it think about why cyclists are so infrequently killed or injured when jumping lights compared to the numbers killed when complying with them. Answers please. If you leave the excrement alone it should be easy for you...

Theo Stegers
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You do go on, don't you.

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tstegers · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dondare

The simple fact is that you think you're too high and mighty to bother with petty laws, rules, codes or conventions, so you try to justify it with this safety argument. Just learn to ride your bike properly.

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I'm torn between saying nothing as you apparently capitulate by changing the subject or pointing out that the "high and mighty" stuff emanates from the direction of the sanctimony set who continually bang on about jumpers. It is generally wrong to accuse cyclists of being high and mighty. We are too often reminded of how vulnerable and insignificant we are. After I made my reply to your "pusillanimous" post I read one of your contributions to the other RLJ thread. In it I detected a flava of in traffic humility so I guess you will understand what I am talking about when I say cyclists are generally not high and mighty. Some are, despite what you may think, I am not one of them.

Theo Stegers

dondare · June 2007

Then stop at red lights.

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dondare · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by tstegers

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dondare

The simple fact is that you think you're too high and mighty to bother with petty laws, rules, codes or conventions, so you try to justify it with this safety argument. Just learn to ride your bike properly.

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I'm torn between saying nothing as you apparently capitulate<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Never!<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> by changing the subject or pointing out that the "high and mighty" stuff emanates from the direction of the sanctimony set who continually bang on about jumpers. It is generally wrong to accuse cyclists of being high and mighty. We are too often reminded of how vulnerable and insignificant we are. After I made my reply to your "pusillanimous" post I read one of your contributions to the other RLJ thread. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Which one?<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In it I detected a flava<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">flavour?<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> of in traffic humility so I guess you will understand what I am talking about when I say cyclists are generally not high and mighty. Some are, despite what you may think, I am one of them.

Theo Stegers
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tstegers · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dondare

Then stop at red lights.

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For me jumping them is, among other things, about humility - get out of their way and leave them to it...about knowing your limitations and quietly exploiting your advantages, key ones being lightness and flexibility - it's nothing to do with "high and mighty".

Theo Stegers

dondare · June 2007

It provokes motorists to hostility. This can lead to dangerous overtaking (for instance) and this hostility is directed at all cyclists.
It can lead to prejudice which can affect court judgements; it can even influence debates in the Houses of Parliament (as I've demonstrated) which could have serious consequences with regards to future legislation.
Saving a few minutes on your commute just isn't worth all this. And if you learn to position yourself correctly at the lights you won't die under the wheels of a left-turning truck.

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tstegers · June 2007

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b]I read one of your contributions to the other RLJ thread. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Which one?<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In it I detected a flava[/b]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">flavour?

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The contribution to the other thread I had in mind:

"As a dutiful red-light-stopper, it does annoy me when some trundler(s) pass me at the lights then get in my way for the 50 yards or so. However, in spite of their rudeness and ignorance I tend not to get too upset with them, and I can't help thinking that this is what many motorists must be experiencing all the time from cyclists.
Imagine you're waiting (in a car) at the lights, and while you're there several cyclists filter through and plant their bikes in front of you. The lights change and with painful slowness these engineless annoyances move off in a ragged bunch that is too wide to overtake.
Cyclists often act with impatient anger towards other cyclists and to pedestrians who "get in their way" and yet cannot understand how motorists can feel the same way towards them."

I know how to spell flavour, I believe the word "flava" is "street" for something similar but embodying/implying something more personal and subtle. I used the word to acknowledge my appreciation of the fact you were not "speechifying" for a change. For contrast, and as a demonstration of what I mean here, consider any post by Mister Paul. Speechifying, one and all. For clarity of meaning, Speechifying? From the OED: contrived and disingenuous bo**ocks by another name.

Theo Stegers

dondare · June 2007

That was a red light etiquette thread, not a red light jumping thread.

Technically, anyone who passes me at the lights is a jumper, since I always stop at the line. However, they probably don't realize this, or else don't care.

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Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by tstegers

For me jumping them is, among other things, about humility -...
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You really do have your head on backwards, don't you?

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Hackbike 6 · June 2007

I got overtaken by some fat *fool* today on the Bow Flyover and christ he was fast...either that or I was slow.My only excuse was I feel like **** today.I really wanted to race him but he sailed off into the distance straight past the red at the next junction before Carpenters road going towards Stratford.I guess it wasn't safe for him to hang about then.[:D]

*=I didn't type that.[:0]

I will never know how he was so fast and I was so slow.[xx(]

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dondare · June 2007

Perhaps he was on something.

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Hackbike 6 · June 2007

I am what I would like to believe is a responsible RLJer.

So is everyone else but that just generally turns out to be a load of old bollox.

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