This whole RLJ thing

Cab · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Hackbike 6
I know it wasn't directed at me but I almost feel guilty because I tend to cycle in a defensive? position and perhaps too much in the door zone<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

If you change nothing else, then get out of the area where you'll hit/get hit by opening doors. In fact, I'll take that as a favour if you stop doing that. Its a bad place to be.

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claud butlercp · June 2007

Get over yourselves! What a bunch of greetin' faced old women. If you have such a strong, innate need to behave like a car; be treated like a car; and blindly follow the laws drawn up for cars...use your f**kin car!!!

As a cyclist, I enjoy the many benefits that using a erm...cycle offers me. The health, the enjoyment and the freedom. The freedom to go gleefully zig-zagging across both lanes of a quiet downhill road (oooooh illegal), the freedom to cycle slowly and carefully along a short stretch of pavement to avoid the worst pot-holed road on the planet and the damage that it would do to my precious machine (oooooh illegal); the freedom to make my way across an empty junction when the "traffic" lights are still red (oooooh majorly, punishable by death illegal). Fortunately, I can smother myself in all this enjoyment with the added bonus of seeing jealous motorists' blood pressure rise like the mercury in a thermometer.

The pinnacle though...the joy of all joys...the most wonderfully blissful start or end to a day...is the (thankfully increasing) sight of an anal, acceptance-desperate, rulebook following, independant-thought-free-zone cyclist with bulging eyes and throbbing head-vein screaming "it's red, it's red"...we know, we know...but it aint nearly as red as your face mate...hahahahaha

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Hackbike 6 · June 2007

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dondare · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by claud butler

Get over yourselves! What a bunch of greetin' faced old women. If you have such a strong, innate need to behave like a car; be treated like a car; and blindly follow the laws drawn up for cars...use your f**kin car!!!

As a cyclist, I enjoy the many benefits that using a erm...cycle offers me. The health, the enjoyment and the freedom. The freedom to go gleefully zig-zagging across both lanes of a quiet downhill road (oooooh illegal), the freedom to cycle slowly and carefully along a short stretch of pavement to avoid the worst pot-holed road on the planet and the damage that it would do to my precious machine (oooooh illegal); the freedom to make my way across an empty junction when the "traffic" lights are still red (oooooh majorly, punishable by death illegal). Fortunately, I can smother myself in all this enjoyment with the added bonus of seeing jealous motorists' blood pressure rise like the mercury in a thermometer.

The pinnacle though...the joy of all joys...the most wonderfully blissful start or end to a day...is the (thankfully increasing) sight of an anal, acceptance-desperate, rulebook following, independant-thought-free-zone cyclist with bulging eyes and throbbing head-vein screaming "it's red, it's red"...we know, we know...but it aint nearly as red as your face mate...hahahahaha

Gabba Gabba Hey
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It depends what you mean by freedom.

Having freedom to act illegally is hardly the preserve of the cyclist. Any delinquent has it, on foot, bike or car.
If you persist in acting in a way which upsets nearly everyone who sees you doing it then you'll end up losing some of that freedom you value. Cycling could become more regulated and the regulations more rigourously enforced. It's precisely because I value my freedom that I hate cyclists who behave antisocially.

A pox on both your houses.

Hackbike 6 · June 2007

Funny you say that dondare but I have been thinking that.

If it gets any worse would we have to pay tax and be registered?

I know when I was cycling in Gran Canaria that there were regulations about cycling at night.At least I think there was.

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Cab · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by claud butler

Get over yourselves! What a bunch of greetin' faced old women. If you have such a strong, innate need to behave like a car; be treated like a car; and blindly follow the laws drawn up for cars...use your f**kin car!!!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

No, no, no. We've got the right to use the roads within the law, a right that car owners don't have; they have to pay for the privilege, we have the right. I don't act like a car, motorists pay for the right to act like a cyclist. Never forget that.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">As a cyclist, I enjoy the many benefits that using a erm...cycle offers me. The health, the enjoyment and the freedom. The freedom to go gleefully zig-zagging across both lanes of a quiet downhill road (oooooh illegal), the freedom to cycle slowly and carefully along a short stretch of pavement to avoid the worst pot-holed road on the planet and the damage that it would do to my precious machine (oooooh illegal); the freedom to make my way across an empty junction when the "traffic" lights are still red (oooooh majorly, punishable by death illegal). Fortunately, I can smother myself in all this enjoyment with the added bonus of seeing jealous motorists' blood pressure rise like the mercury in a thermometer.
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Excellent. An honest RLJ'er. Someone who is selfish, doesn't give a fig for the law, and has the good grace to admit it. I commend you for your honesty. Even if you're a terrible road user you're a step ahead of most of the other RLJ'ers on the forum.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The pinnacle though...the joy of all joys...the most wonderfully blissful start or end to a day...is the (thankfully increasing) sight of an anal, acceptance-desperate, rulebook following, independant-thought-free-zone cyclist with bulging eyes and throbbing head-vein screaming "it's red, it's red"...we know, we know...but it aint nearly as red as your face mate...hahahahaha
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Can't say as I've seen that cyclist. Gone past an endless number of slow-motion RLJ'ers struggling to keep up (in fact, all of the RLJ'ers who have passed me in a year or so).

Really, learn to cycle properly, you'll get there just as soon, if not sooner.

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dondare · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by claud butler

The pinnacle though...the joy of all joys...the most wonderfully blissful start or end to a day...is the (thankfully increasing) sight of an anal, acceptance-desperate, rulebook following, independant-thought-free-zone cyclist with bulging eyes and throbbing head-vein screaming "it's red, it's red"...we know, we know...but it aint nearly as red as your face mate...hahahahaha

Gabba Gabba Hey
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You can get the same effect in other ways, such as pushing into queues, dropping litter, playing loud music through the night and so on; if you're prepared to act like an inconsiderate jerk and actually enjoy winding people up.

A pox on both your houses.

Hackbike 6 · June 2007

Sometimes I get overtaken by a RLJ who can beat me and good riddance.

The biggest pain in the bum is passing the same RLJer ten times in a commute.

I just watch RLJers wondering if they are going to make it safe across.Can't say
my face in contorted by rage by their actions.It's more likely to be like that when a blasted pedestrian is involved or bad driving from said motorist although that is rare now.

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maybrick · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dondare

Earth to planet Maybrick.

Cyclists hate rljers.
Rljing antagonizes motorists and makes them more hostile to cyclists. This hostility can make cycling in traffic more unpleasant and more dangerous than it needs to be.
Of course motorists break the laws; they do so in greater numbers and at greater risk with worse consequences but they justify their actions the same as you justify yours.

Did you look at the link I posted showing how RLJing might have scuppered our chances of getting the proposed changes to the Highway Code re-written? Annoying people can have much wider repercussions than you'd ever guess.

A pox on both your houses.
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planet maybrick to orbiting spaceloon dondare:

you're still asleep, this is a dream, when you wake all the nasty bullies will be gone and you can forget the bitterness & pain.
live your life and stop trying to tell others how they should live theirs.

message concludes.

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dondare · June 2007

Are you too thick to understand or too selfish to care?

A pox on both your houses.

maybrick · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dondare

Are you too thick to understand or too selfish to care?
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about you? of course i care dondare, people who've had a hard time like you, often grow up with issues, often they develop authoritarian tendancies and unchecked anger. i think we've all witnessed that throughout this thread.

that affects all of us dondare!

as a fellow cyclist i support you thru this.

you can cry if you want to.

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dondare · June 2007

That'd be thick then.

But probably selfish as well.

A pox on both your houses.

maybrick · June 2007

NO!
I MUST HAVE THE LAST WORD!!!!

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Hackbike 6 · June 2007

NO I MUST HAVE THE LAST WORD.

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Roastie · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cab

You're swapping safest road position for not irritating other road users; fine, be passive, if that suits you. But you'd be safer adoppting a primary road position, you wouldn't upset the vast mjority of motorists, and you wouldn't really delay anyone if the traffic is sufficient for it to occasionally bunch up anyway. And you'd be more visible and less prone to dangerous overtaking.

If your instinct tells you to keep passively out of the way then your instinct is wrong, like many 'experienced' gutter crawlers.
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Who said I'm swapping road positions? I remain in the primary, but rather than have an impatient WVM getting annoyed with me, I would put some clear air between us - that's all. Because I would have been giving it horns (up the hill), I can get to the wider section of road by the time they catch up so all are happy. I've done it the other way, because I do habitually ride with "correct" positioning, obeservation and all the rest, but frankly when I did it that way I attracted far more flack.

Dude, you are so wrong to just assume that if I jumped the light, I'm suddenly a gutter crawler. Far from it dude, far from it. Perhaps you don't realise that making decisions about when it may be best to jump a light is actually quite an assertive thing to do, and if you do it in a fair, well communicated and assertive way, you'll find that other road users will appreciate it.

As for your assertion that anyone who jumps a light just couldn't be bothered to stop proves that you do have this one dimensional view on the subject.

Roastie · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mosschops2

There is no safety-based reason not to stop - no left turn in sight etc etc, and it is merely laziness / slight inconvenience that a cyclist can't be ar$ed to slow to a stop, then start up again.
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You all seem to have missed the point of my particular example being stopping at a pedestrian crossing, waiting for the pedestrians to cross, and then passing through to gain a jump.

At no point did I advocate just blasting through lights without stopping. That is clearly a stupid thing to do.

And the other thing you and Cab conveniently forget is that, despite having regularly crossed this particular red, I have no problem with having my journey held up by every other red light that I stop at.

rgisme · June 2007

Most RLJers do stop for the lights anyway. They just don't stay stopped for the entire phase.

Roastie · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rgisme

Most RLJers do stop for the lights anyway. They just don't stay stopped for the entire phase.
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Ah. Most of the RLJers I see seem to just sail through, or, at best, slow down.

Hackbike 6 · June 2007

Yup.

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dondare · June 2007

There are a dozen or more ways to jump the lights, and all of them are wrong.
It would be particularly galling if you nearly always kept the law, stopped at every light except one, and then got done for that one offence.

A pox on both your houses.

maybrick · June 2007

i absolutely demand the last word!!!
my feeble ego will accept nothing less!!!!

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Hackbike 6 · June 2007

heh heh!

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dondare · June 2007

As you wish. But tomorrow I will taunt you to within an inch of your e-life.

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Adam_57 · June 2007

No! I am Brian - and so is my wife!

rothbook · June 2007

RLJing is wrong and damages cyclists' standing. That's it, end of thread, go about your business, there's nothing to see here.

Cab · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Roastie
Who said I'm swapping road positions? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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You seem to be flopping around rather, and missing the main point.

You're behaving selfishly and breaking the law in doing so. Its unforgiveable. End of.

domtyler · June 2007

Every time a cyclist stops at a red light a child in the developing world dies. Don't do it.

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Oddballcp · June 2007

Every time a cyclist jumps the lights we move closer to number plates for bikes. Don't do it.

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Cab · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Oddball

Every time a cyclist jumps the lights we move closer to number plates for bikes. Don't do it.
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Precisely.

Go to a party with lots of motorists.

Mention cycling.

Wait.

I guarantee that someone will rant about red lights. And you know what? The more cyclists blatantly ignore the law, the more demands that we're taxed/insured/registered become credible in the eyes of the masses.

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Oddballcp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cab

Go to a party with lots of motorists.

Mention cycling.

Wait.

I guarantee that everyone will rant about red lights. And you know what? The more cyclists blatantly ignore the law, the more demands that we're taxed/insured/registered become credible in the eyes of the masses.

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Fixed.

http://victoryatseaonline.com/war/kellys.html

This whole RLJ thing

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