Portsmouth = 1st city with a blanket 20mph limit

Mister Paul · June 2007

Again, why is the ringing of a bell antagonistic?

The bell on that bike, as it happens, is far from antagonistic. It's one of those large, two-chime Dutch bells, which can be heard from some distance away. I'd say more quaint than aggressive. And the reason I wasn't verbal is that I was warning the stoker that we had a sharp stop coming up.

You're going to have to explain yourself a bit better, otherwise you will continue to come across as a troll. What is the problem with following correct guidance and using a bell as a warning?

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Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by normal

You're all stark raving mad .
Good bye all.

P.S.
Real cyclists don't need little tinkly devices ,but what would you lot know ,eh?
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Boring when .you can't be you're ,real self, is'nt it ,pags?

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

I did explain. Space was a bit tight because I had assumed, apparently wrongly, that they were crossing the road. They didn't. They turned in the direction of the traffic and continued to walk down the road. Spread out, in a space little more than the width of a car. No space to squeeze past. At no point did they look in the direction that the traffic was coming from. There was a car behind me.
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Yes but WHY was there 'no space to squeeze past'?
You say there was a car behind you, was it about to overtake?
(a) how were the car behind you and the peds taking account of one another, if at all? i.e. if the car had taken into account the peds and hung back predicting that you were going to go round them then why didn't you realise that it was doing this and go round them, but even if the car hadn't taken the peds (and your reaction to them) into consideration and was (perhaps selfishly) overtaking you, then why didn't you just hover until it had got past and then pulled in behind it, following it in its overtake of the, now road-bound, peds?

i.e. look at this diagram, on the left being what you did (green line you, red line peds - blob indicating you coming to a halt) - instead what you should have done is as on the right.

I'm not criticising / dissecting your choice of actions, i'm trying to understand the situation better in order to be able to tell you what I would have done. If I don't know the full situation then I can't tell how I would have behaved in that situation.

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jamesAC

No. When it happened to me and my wife, I gave the bonnet of the offending BMW a huge whack with my fist, causing a several-œ100 dint.

That'll larn him!
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Well, that's criminal damage, and is hence illegal. Beeping someone isn't right, and I wouldn't do it when stopped for that very reason, but it suggests that you're firmly subscribed to the camp that believes it's quite OK to break the law when you feel like it as long as you feel you're right to do so, are you?

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Mister Paul · June 2007

Read my post Bonjy. The total amount of room was little more than a car's width. The three numbskulls were pretty evenly spread over this width. There was no room to get past anywhere. I can't remember whether that's the second or third time I've told you.

The car behind couldn't have got past any of us if it had wanted to. The peds had no knowledge of us nor the car until I made the apparently wrong move and rang the bell.

Nice diagrams. Did I forget to tell you it was a one way street? Oh, no, I didn't.

Did I tell you that there were three peds, stretched across the width of the available road, which was little wider than a car? Oh yes, I did.

Now do you get it?

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Tourist Tony · June 2007

I see. That is why there are plans afoot to force "real cyclists" to have "tinkly devices".

So the aptly-named cretin won't talk to me. I will take that as a simple and clear admission of his surrender and defeat.
Gone crying back to Paulie yet, troll?

If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or Dick

Tourist Tony · June 2007

And Cretin: what's the name of the Albanian your car is registered to?

If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or Dick

Mister Paul · June 2007

Funnily enough Tony, the three people he is refusing to talk to just happen to all share a similar level of knowledge of the SS beliefs, and are well versed in the simple arguments against them. He has no comeback, so he feigns some kind of reason for ending the conversation.

Sounds familiar doesn't it? Old Paulie himself, after coming over here last time, completely losing it and revealing some telling colours, chose his two favourite reasons for scurrying off -being offended and being far too busy.

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Tourist Tony · June 2007

Paulie has a lot of speedo-watching gerbils to look after, as well as a camper to fettle and some engineering to do.
Ditches don't dig themselves, you know....

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Tourist Tony · June 2007

Picking up one point here, I have to push my bike through a transport building concourse and down a long access way each work day. Pedestrians coming towards me ALWAYS walk line abreast, and always look astonished when they come up against someone they've seen walking towards them from 100 yards away.
What are they like driving?
Rhetorical question....

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

Read my post Bonjy. The total amount of room was little more than a car's width. The three numbskulls were pretty evenly spread over this width. There was no room to get past anywhere. I can't remember whether that's the second or third time I've told you.

The car behind couldn't have got past any of us if it had wanted to. The peds had no knowledge of us nor the car until I made the apparently wrong move and rang the bell.

Nice diagrams. Did I forget to tell you it was a one way street? Oh, no, I didn't.

Did I tell you that there were three peds, stretched across the width of the available road, which was little wider than a car? Oh yes, I did.

Now do you get it?
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Well you didn't say it as a one way street with only one lane.
I still would have tried to forge a line between the peds, unless they were holding hands - were they?

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Tourist Tony · June 2007

On the other hand, I remember walking through the pedestrian area in the middle of Canterbury with my bike, in front of a boy racer who had decided to use it as a shortcut for his XR3.
I enjoyed that.

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The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tourist Tony

On the other hand, I remember walking through the pedestrian area in the middle of Canterbury with my bike, in front of a boy racer who had decided to use it as a shortcut for his XR3.
I enjoyed that.
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Are you a pilgrim?

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Tourist Tony · June 2007

I used to live there. Great area for cycling.

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Cunobelin · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I don't think you speak from experience. Do yourself a favour, seriously<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

We are doing a favour - Seriously.......

If your claim is correct the examination was improperly performed, and the examiner failed to censure improper driving duingthe test.

Accept the challenge, and post the results.......or shall we repeat the previous exercise, and ask the IAM on your behalf?

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He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
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Tourist Tony · June 2007

Simoncretin Dean is only 29. See the google results on his very own thread. He drives a Nissan Primera and lives in Birmingham.

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Mister Paul · June 2007

Simon, your words-

" Do they deserve to be killed? My vote is yes. What's wrong with natural selection? "

Talking about pedestrians who walk out into the road without looking.

http://sjdean.blogspot.com/

With that one sentence, you have completely blown any credibility or respect that you thought you had gained with your IAM training. You're a dangerous and careless driver, and shouldn't be on the road.

So you still live with your parents then? You're actually not far from me.

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Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

Read my post Bonjy. The total amount of room was little more than a car's width. The three numbskulls were pretty evenly spread over this width. There was no room to get past anywhere. I can't remember whether that's the second or third time I've told you.

The car behind couldn't have got past any of us if it had wanted to. The peds had no knowledge of us nor the car until I made the apparently wrong move and rang the bell.

Nice diagrams. Did I forget to tell you it was a one way street? Oh, no, I didn't.

Did I tell you that there were three peds, stretched across the width of the available road, which was little wider than a car? Oh yes, I did.

Now do you get it?
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Well you didn't say it as a one way street with only one lane.
I still would have tried to forge a line between the peds, unless they were holding hands - were they?
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Stratford, Saturday morning. Cycling down a very narrow one way street (the right way). Two blokes and an older lady walk out into the road without looking. I slowed down, giving them enough room to continue to cross. But then idiot number one (about 35-40, well built) decides that he doesn't want to cross the road and would be much happier walking away from me down the centre of it (they still don't know I'm there). Space is getting a bit tight now...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Which bits aren't you understanding?

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Cretin · June 2007

If you're trying to suggest that I'm this Simon Dean character, you're very wide of the mark. What gave you this idea?

/edit: reading Tourist Tony's post in this same forum, I can promise you that I am not this individual.

Someone comes along and argues about something they feel strongly about, and rather than just accepting that there can be differences of opinion and having a conciliatory drink (like people do in real life), some people here have to resort to childish smears to get their points across.

Pathetic. Mister Paul its been interesting debating safety with you but if you start to believe rubbish like this I think it belies your arguments. I'll happily talk to you about most things but I've already told you I think your views on speed limits are jaundiced, and I think its pointless to go there again.

Jaded · June 2007

I think his crime is "Posting Withoutg (sic) Due Care and Attention" [:D] [:D]

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Jaded · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cretin

If you're trying to suggest that I'm this Simon Dean character, you're very wide of the mark. What gave you this idea?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Oh, he does have a somewhat similar outlook to you!

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Cretin · June 2007

His comments on personal responsibility have some similarity, but his views on the best way of enforcing that responsibility are abhorrent.

Oddballcp · June 2007

Heaven forbid that you should mistake Cretin for someone worse.

http://victoryatseaonline.com/war/kellys.html

dondare · June 2007

Wow!! 50 pages!!! Holy half-century, Batman.

Gloat gloat gloat gloat ........

Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cretin

Pathetic. Mister Paul its been interesting debating safety with you but if you start to believe rubbish like this I think it belies your arguments. I'll happily talk to you about most things but I've already told you I think your views on speed limits are jaundiced, and I think its pointless to go there again.
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You're entitled to your opinion.

But if I can just remind you again-

1) You have not explained why it is not possible to work in improving driving standards, and at the same time have 20mph limits to minimise risk in the mean time. If we ever got to the stage where the level of driving standard was proof that speed limits were no longer necessary, then we could consider your proposal. But the truth is, and I think that if you're honest

1) Notwithstanding the above, you have not given even one example of the downside of 20mph limits.

If we ever got to the stage where the level of driving standard was proof that speed limits were no longer necessary, then we could consider your proposal. But the truth is, and I think that if you're honest you can't disagree, we'll never get to that point. Your dilemma is that you think that you're a good enough driver not to need speed limits. You might be right, you may be wrong. But you know that speed limits are a current necessity, and you can't consolidate that. Which I believe is another learning point for a developing driver -believing that you could do better, but having the confidence, wisdom and responsibility to obey the limits anyway. It does you absolutely no harm, and makes it safer for everyone else.

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Mister Paul · June 2007

Oh, and cretin

The easiest way to diffuse any rumours is to reveal your username over on SS.

Continued refusal to do this is only going to raise justifiable suspicion. You clearly have something to hide.

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Tourist Tony · June 2007

Simon, for a claimed computer programmer you have been owned remarkably easily.

You even pick a username here related to your own medical problems. Cretinism stems from problems with the thyroid gland, the problems which give you problems when you drink, Simon. Are you exopthalmic? You probably have to shave your right palm, but that's unrelated to your thyroid condition. [note to self: check research results to see if he's a southpaw]

You are a typical 20-something. I have at least 20 years' more experience of driving than you, but of course you know it all. That's why your age group is the highest risk group for road deaths and insurance.
And you live in Birmingham. Here's a website for you:
http://www.jonbounds.pwp.blueyonder.co. ... m/brum.php

Now, you can go on denying your identity as long as you want, but nobody here will believe you. The details of your pathetic little life will no doubt find their way onto things like rec cycling, and probably onto your car groups, where they also think you're a knob.
Owned.

If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or Dick

Mister Paul · June 2007

Well that's him pwned. Or whatever these youngsters say these days.

I wonder how long he'll continue to try to deny it. Or whether he'll just scurry off, like his fellow youngster mate smeggy has.*

*Not that I hold any age-related prejudice. It's just that these speed apologists come along, act like they've been around the world a few times and know it all, and then it turns out they've been driving for less than 10 years and still live with their parents.

And in Hall Green!

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Regulator · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tourist Tony

Simon, for a claimed computer programmer you have been owned remarkably easily.

You even pick a username here related to your own medical problems. Cretinism stems from problems with the thyroid gland, the problems which give you problems when you drink, Simon. Are you exopthalmic? You probably have to shave your right palm, but that's unrelated to your thyroid condition. [note to self: check research results to see if he's a southpaw]

You are a typical 20-something. I have at least 20 years' more experience of driving than you, but of course you know it all. That's why your age group is the highest risk group for road deaths and insurance.
And you live in Birmingham. Here's a website for you:
http://www.jonbounds.pwp.blueyonder.co. ... m/brum.php

Now, you can go on denying your identity as long as you want, but nobody here will believe you. The details of your pathetic little life will no doubt find their way onto things like rec cycling, and probably onto your car groups, where they also think you're a knob.
Owned.

If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or Dick
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Just spotted his picture, Tony. He looks remarkably like somebody I turned down in a Brum gay club last year (and you know that I'm not exactly known for being choosy [:D][:D] )

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Cretin · June 2007

Ah right. Now we're down to crude slurs and sexual innuendo. Pathetic. Really, truly pathetic, the behaviour of children.

Portsmouth = 1st city with a blanket 20mph limit

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