Portsmouth = 1st city with a blanket 20mph limit

Cunobelin · June 2007

No problem......

If there is no crime, there can be no fine.

There has to be a breach before the fine is issued, it is up to the individual whether they commit that breach.

It's a bit like saying that fines for shoplifting, drunk and disorderly etc are a problem.

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
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Cunobelin · June 2007

And now the DSA agrees with my suggestion for psychometric testing!

http://www.cyclingplus.co.uk/forum/topi ... _ID=132561

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
(Unattributed Trad.)

Cretin · June 2007

And how long would it be before a legion of people who risk losing their jobs because of low crime start to bend the rules? Its already happening now based on targets : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6656411.stm

While we're at it, lets give crown court judges cash bonuses for locking up more people!

Cunobelin · June 2007

SO we are back to the "You mustn't arrest motorists" concept again?

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
(Unattributed Trad.)

Tourist Tony · June 2007

He's back to the "it's not a crime" concept again.

Cretin, do you have or have you ever had a ponytail? What is your username on SS agin?

If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or Dick

Cretin · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cunobelin

SO we are back to the "You mustn't arrest motorists" concept again?
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A concept attributed to whom?

Jaded · June 2007

The Daily Mail.

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Tourist Tony · June 2007

So we have an SS visitor who doesn't want to admit it. No change there then.

If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or Dick

Cunobelin · June 2007

The other alternative is that we are quite happy with the present system of motorists being fined for speeding, yellow box offences etc where it is a simple clear cut and unequivocal cause - failed to obey the law.

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
(Unattributed Trad.)

Jaded · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cunobelin

SO we are back to the "You mustn't arrest motorists" concept again?

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Are you not familiar with the phrase "otherwise law abiding motorist"? You can find it in the Daily Mail, the Daily Telegraph and, oh, nearly forgot, sprinkled liberally all over that repository of normal, sensible, well balanced human beings, the SS forum.

It's such a shame when an otherwise law abiding motorist breaks the law and is punished. It's a great phrase. We should use it in other places too. "otherwise law abiding rapist" would be a good start.

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Cretin · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cunobelin

No problem......

If there is no crime, there can be no fine.

There has to be a breach before the fine is issued, it is up to the individual whether they commit that breach.

It's a bit like saying that fines for shoplifting, drunk and disorderly etc are a problem.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Where is the crime in throwing a slice of cucumber? You seriously think that allowing a police force to profit from it's activities is a good idea?!

It would appear that fines for shoplifting and D&D are a problem:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6671987.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/816949.stm

Cretin · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jaded

The Daily Mail.
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That most balanced and impartial publication....

Jaded · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cretin

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jaded

The Daily Mail.
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That most balanced and impartial publication....
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...a favourite of SS members...

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Cunobelin · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Where is the crime in throwing a slice of cucumber? You seriously think that allowing a police force to profit from it's activities is a good idea?!
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When and where did this happen, why did it happen?

The article is incomplete, biased and has an axe to grind.

Quite often the "silly arrests" are simply a way to get an offender "onto the list" for a series of minor offences. Had this individual already got a record, was it just a slice of cucumber, or had he been previously seen ditching a whole picnic elsewhere and this was the observed incident?

Can you shed light on the way you came to your assumption?

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
(Unattributed Trad.)

Cretin · June 2007

You could try asking the police federation who published the report, widely reported in just about every news source you care to mention.

Which assumption?

Cunobelin · June 2007

As I said - a biased report....

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
(Unattributed Trad.)

Cretin · June 2007

And a police force paid from it's own activites as per your suggestion, isn't?

Cunobelin · June 2007

Acceptable bias?

There is always going to be some form of bias, you simply have to make that acceptable.....

The trick is to ensure that the bias is structured correctly.

If the evidence is there that a crime has been committed, how is it biased to prosecute the individual who has chosen to perpetrate the crime?

Do you have an alternative suggestion as to how we can maintain the same level of detection for speeding and other offences symptomatic of poor driving, and expand the "Traffic Police"?

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
(Unattributed Trad.)

Cretin · June 2007

dupe post

Cretin · June 2007

I see nothing acceptable about hypothecating revenue in our criminal justice system. The idea is abhorrent and would undoubtedly lead to corruption.

I have no interest in detection for speeding offences. I do however have a great deal of interest in detection for poor or dangerous driving, and illegal driving.

There were plenty of Traffic Police beforehand - I see no reason why the money can't be found to re-employ them. Its not as thought the government is short of tax revenue.

Cretin · June 2007

dupe post, sorry this forum software is quite tricky.

Tourist Tony · June 2007

As, apparently, is English grammar. It's "its", cretin.

If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or Dick

Cunobelin · June 2007

But......

speeding offences AREpoor or dangerous driving, and illegal driving.

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
(Unattributed Trad.)

Tourist Tony · June 2007

Now, Cunobelin, you should know what a safe and experienced driver old hypothyroid must be.....he's from SS, where they are ALL safe'n'experienced and know how to accelerate out of fatigue, and teach dead pedestrians to cross the road properly.

If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or Dick

Cunobelin · June 2007

I know, sometimes one <s>feels like a Missionary</s> feels like one is filfilling the role of a Missionary, but you have to try!

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
(Unattributed Trad.)

Tourist Tony · June 2007

Do you want to reread what you just wrote?
Fnaar......

If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or Dick

Cretin · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cunobelin

But......

speeding offences AREpoor or dangerous driving, and illegal driving.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

If that is the case than they should be charged with careless or dangerous driving.

I should tell you that on my advanced driving exam, I did not adhere to the speed limit. In fact I broke it many times, yet still passed because my driving was to an acceptable standard. The examiner was a retired police advanced driver and mentioned the speed limit only in passing, and without any critisism.

Cunobelin · June 2007

Interestingly the IAM position is that they would withdraw their endorsement of your examiner who allows speeding during an exam. If there is any proof of your claims, then it would in fact invalidate your qualification.

But back to the point.......
This illustrates that the crime one is prosecuted for is the one that is proven, not necessarily the one the Police would like to proceed with.

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
(Unattributed Trad.)

Cunobelin · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Do you want to reread what you just wrote?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Just making my position clear!

Rephrased.

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
(Unattributed Trad.)

Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tourist Tony

So we have an SS visitor who doesn't want to admit it. No change there then.

If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or Dick
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Oh I disagree Tony. They don't usually argue the SS mantra and deny the link. I don't know what cretin's plan was, but it failed from the off, when he refused to answer the question about his link to the SS.

You don't want to be seen to be linked, Mr 'I'm not really an advanced motorist because my exam was void'. What are you ashamed of?

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