The Big 'Let's sell our cars and take buses/ebikes instead' thread (warning: probably very dull)
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Most secondary school age kids can reach the pedals.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That's true Stevo.
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Not sure that Rick would have though. 😉
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I think it's just a case of having a vehicle to suit your stature 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
HS2 is at least going to Euston 🎉
By 2040😐
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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No doubt replacing one tax with another tax will be a 'war on motorists'...
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Depends whether it will increase the costs for motorists on average or not. Given Labour is in charge, I think we already know the answer to that...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That's been hypothesised on this forum as inevitable by a few for years now. The loss of revenue has to be replaced by something. It's also another way to get drivers to go "green" as they'll take a double hit if they don't switch.
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
There's a certain advantage to pricing not being susceptible to geopolitical events. Will take something out of inflation variations, blah.
Is it going to be per mile, or more nuanced and based on the types of roads? Will it penalise people in remote areas (e.g. Scotland, Wales)? Will fuel duty be cut if it is reintroduced?
Who knows, but you should not reject it merely because it is being discussed during a period of a Labour government. It HAS to happen at some point.
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It's just that I can see the headlines already, as one can't see the motoring lobby saying "Yes, that seems fair enough on balance."
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What actually IS the motoring lobby? I only ever see white middle aged men with London accents representing "motorists" but they only average 12 mph, so it can't be them.
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Perhaps we could collect all the motorists' tears and use them for something useful. Maybe evaporate off the water and use the salt for gritting.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Surely one for the car thread?
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You sound very unbiased on this. Anything to do with the fact that you don't even drive?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Isn't this the thread for such biases?
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Stevo, setting aside for the moment that you already probably pay the top whack of VED and a huge amount of fuel duty and VAT on the fuel duty for your free motoring, do you actually object to pay per mile?
Thing is, fuel duty for a petrol vehicle does add up proportionate to the miles you do, plus how vigorously you do them. Where's ppm would be the same price no matter how responsibly you get there.
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My next road tax bill will be £180 iirc. What I am highlighting above is the classic lefite attitude of someone supporting higher taxes when they are not personally effected by those tax rises.
Pay per mile will depend on the overall impact. If it is simply another tax on motorists on top of fuel duty etc then I'm not in favour as motorists are already taxed pretty heavily. And as you say, fuel duty is already effectively a pay per mile tax which is proportionate to distance, driving style, car economy (or lack of).
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So if fuel duty is reduced by an equivalent (for an efficient petrol car) amount that the ppm is implemented to ensure that electric vehicles are included, that would be OK?
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It won't be.
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It probably already has been.
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I think "frozen" is the word? Anyone thinking fuel duty will be reduced to balance out ppm is deluded.
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Not sure. Can see an argument to have EVs pay it in lieu of fuel duty though.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You know we have a car. I don't drive it but I still pay for it. Just bored of 'motorists' thinking they're special and being such a bunch of professional victims. Having to pretend there is a war against them must be exhausting.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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The annual MOT will become a tax return.
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If fuel duty on unleaded had gone up at the rate of inflation since 2000, it would have increased by 41p a litre (or 84%). It has actually gone up by 4p a litre.
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Isn't that roughly what I said?
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I didn't see any numbers in what you said, so I went and found out. A thank you would have been nice.
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Thank you for confirming that fuel duty has not been reduced to compensate for ppm, as per my original point.
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
You want to remind people you made that point?
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Good god. Please don't leave the forum chaps, that would leave me, Brian and Stevo.
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